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I think he gets one game. Maybe none. You can’t punish a guy for doing nothing wrong besides fathering a child with a psycho. 

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In the coming days, the office of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell will announce whether Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill violated the league’s Personal Conduct Policy. If a violation is found, it would mean that Hill engaged in conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the NFL. Such “conduct detrimental” would reflect the possibility that Hill was in some way responsible for suspicious injuries suffered by his three-year-old son earlier this year, or that Hill undermined the league’s image upon media publication of a recording in which Hill tells former his fiancée, Crystal Espinal, that she needs to be “terrified” of him, or both.

The Hill situation is among the more difficult personal conduct policy decisions for Goodell, whose choices on conduct matters have often generated controversy and occasionally spawned federal lawsuits. With Hill, an incomplete set of facts coupled with ambiguous family circumstances are beyond the capacity of Goodell to clarify. If Goodell offers factual conclusions about how Hill’s son was injured, Goodell would be vulnerable to criticism that he overreached and possibly interfered in an on-going legal matter.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/07/15/tyreek-hill-roger-goodell-possible-suspension-decision-chiefs

It's anyone's guess. My guess is 4-6 weeks.

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2 hours ago, Rookie_Whisperer said:

In the coming days, the office of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell will announce whether Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill violated the league’s Personal Conduct Policy. If a violation is found, it would mean that Hill engaged in conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the NFL. Such “conduct detrimental” would reflect the possibility that Hill was in some way responsible for suspicious injuries suffered by his three-year-old son earlier this year, or that Hill undermined the league’s image upon media publication of a recording in which Hill tells former his fiancée, Crystal Espinal, that she needs to be “terrified” of him, or both.

The Hill situation is among the more difficult personal conduct policy decisions for Goodell, whose choices on conduct matters have often generated controversy and occasionally spawned federal lawsuits. With Hill, an incomplete set of facts coupled with ambiguous family circumstances are beyond the capacity of Goodell to clarify. If Goodell offers factual conclusions about how Hill’s son was injured, Goodell would be vulnerable to criticism that he overreached and possibly interfered in an on-going legal matter.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/07/15/tyreek-hill-roger-goodell-possible-suspension-decision-chiefs

It's anyone's guess. My guess is 4-6 weeks.

I don't know who if anyone of those 2 is telling the truth.  I listened to the recording and all I heard was those 2 accusing each other of lying and abusing the child except he did threaten her.  One thing I just saw on Wikipedia is that Hill pleaded guilty to the 2014 incident.  His words in the tape denying any violence to her don't jibe with the guilty plea.

Only RG knows what he will do.  He is not consistent with things for sure.  However if he sees a possible loss of money/sponsorship for the league don't discount  him hitting Hill hard.  Hill has a prior DV conviction and the last time a player threatened violence against a woman verbally they gave the Ravens player 4 games and he had no prior acts if I remember correctly.  I think personally he gets a minimum of 6-8 games and if Goodell believes only her side he could still face a full year.  Don't discount the money side of the equation.  RG's main job is to fill the leagues coffers, that is why the owners keep him around.  With the CBA he doesn't have to act fair or use any consistent rational.  Today's political climate  with either party and the fact that they took the child from the home at one point and time along with the previous guilty plea are not things in Hill's favor.  Like I said follow the money.  So why should RG take it easy?  There is no upside for him if he does,  and previous rulings show he isn't always about fairness.

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11 hours ago, Rookie_Whisperer said:

In the coming days, the office of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell will announce whether Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill violated the league’s Personal Conduct Policy. If a violation is found, it would mean that Hill engaged in conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the NFL. Such “conduct detrimental” would reflect the possibility that Hill was in some way responsible for suspicious injuries suffered by his three-year-old son earlier this year, or that Hill undermined the league’s image upon media publication of a recording in which Hill tells former his fiancée, Crystal Espinal, that she needs to be “terrified” of him, or both.

The Hill situation is among the more difficult personal conduct policy decisions for Goodell, whose choices on conduct matters have often generated controversy and occasionally spawned federal lawsuits. With Hill, an incomplete set of facts coupled with ambiguous family circumstances are beyond the capacity of Goodell to clarify. If Goodell offers factual conclusions about how Hill’s son was injured, Goodell would be vulnerable to criticism that he overreached and possibly interfered in an on-going legal matter.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/07/15/tyreek-hill-roger-goodell-possible-suspension-decision-chiefs

It's anyone's guess. My guess is 4-6 weeks.

Followed by an appeal and a two game reduction. 

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This story is insane.  I don't know what to believe.  If the conspiracy stuff is true, how horrible for Hill. 

I'm defacto taking Hill's side until I see some proof that he did anything wrong, and I even feel bad about my cynical take earlier that it was purely about optics for the NFL. 

If the NFL finds that there is a lot of doubt he did anything, but still punishes because optics and PR, the injustice only continues.  

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without knowing all the details that the league knows....just the twists and turns in here....it seems like a tough spot for the league...

bottom line:

1. suspension (of any length)  = Hill did something bad (this time)

2. no suspension = Hill didn't do anything bad (this time)

is having your kids removed from your custody in and of itself suspension worthy...?....it doesn't have to mean you abused them or their physical safety was in danger....it could mean they were in an environment that wasn't good for their mental and emotional well being at the time (ie: a very dysfunctional environment).....is it suspension worthy to be in a dysfunctional relationship/environment...?...kids get removed all the time for reasons that aren't "physical abuse"....

the general court of public opinion has already played judge jury and executioner here....for the most part....but it shouldn't be a hard sell for Rog to come out and say "after reviewing all of the information, we have found that there is no need to proceed any further at this time as a league in any matters involving Tyreek Hill"....and just leave it at that....because a lot of the things involved in this case are personal matters and information that the league will not reveal....Rog isn't going to go into some long explanation of details one way or the other....but the thing is, it will be a hard sell if he doesn't suspend.....so I think right now they  are trying to decide if in all of this they can actually find enough to say he somehow violated the conduct policy just so they can appease the masses that have convicted Hill already, no matter what.....but you would think Hill and his team will and should deserve that "long explanation" if suspended....we the public may not get it, but Tyreek and his team will.....and if they don't agree and really feel that Rog is doing it to "save the shield" that could be an issue and if Hill didn't do anything, a really crappy thing to do to somebody who was innocent....

the taped conversation and the "terrified" comment is an issue.... and will probably turn out to be enough for Rog to hand down (2) games and at least appease the masses that he was given something...while also not hammering Hill with something longer that would make it seem they think he is a monster or something.....the context of the terrified comment could have been that Hill was meaning be terrified because I have dirt on you.... all the lies, etc...but it still didn't sound good and Hill and his team may be willing to take a small suspension of two or less without appealing, etc....the thing is Rog is going to make a decision, but we will not get much if any reason for the basis of the suspension if there is one....or if there isn't one....

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Are we sure the Chefs are going to activate him? Now where do we rank him for redraft?

 

 

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Just now, Ilov80s said:

Are we sure the Chefs are going to activate him?

No, I suppose they're gonna cut him now that he's cleared.

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Wow. I didn't honestly think Goodell would do the logical thing...

As someone who held instead of panic selling this is exciting. We can finally get back to how damn good at football he is. 

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3 minutes ago, Young 8 said:

No, I suppose they're gonna cut him now that he's cleared.

I didn't say that either. I am just asking should we be totally confident to rank him as would have if none of this dust up had occurred. Where do you rank him?

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4 minutes ago, TDCommish said:

Wish I hadn't ever read this thread months ago and traded him away 😭

 

I am glad I drafted a ton of him in best ball in rounds 4-6.

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Just now, Ilov80s said:

I didn't say that either. I am just asking should we be totally confident to rank him as would have if none of this dust up had occurred. Where do you rank him?

Top 5 WR at worst.

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Just now, Young 8 said:

Top 5 WR at worst.

For sure- one could make an argument he is WR1 in standard. My guess is the lingering "stink" of it all will cause him to go a bit later than he probably should. I think he should be WR3 after Hopkins and Adams. 

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2 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

I am glad I drafted a ton of him in best ball in rounds 4-6.

Yupppp I’ve been scooping him up anywhere in the 4th the past couple weeks. Wish I was grabbing him when he was going past pick 100 a couple months ago.

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So glad this is over, now he needs to steer clear of Espinal and her family, make sure his children are cared for, and keep himself surrounded by people who are watching out for his best interests.

 

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Well I over-reacted based on the evidence at the time - and I'm honestly still not sure he's completely innocent, but that doesn't matter.

I was a seller in dynasty shortly before the tape was leaked, but I didn't panic sell as I'm still pleased with my deal. I thank him for helping me win the championship in that league though and as a football fan he'll make Sunday's more exciting.

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No Pulitzer for Mike Florio or Brooke Pryor.

I'm very sorry.

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I own him in a lot of leagues. Sold him in one for Guice and Wentz. The guy I sold him to suddenly dropped him after the recording was leaked and Hill was picked up by another owner for $100 BB $$$$.

Bought him in another league straight up for Zay Jones. 

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Just now, Fear The Turtle said:

Wonder how much the Chiefs regret their first pick in April?

second round pick?

I think those that drafted him in rookie drafts regret it more - he can still be useful in real football at least.

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OMG.  Nfl vindicated Tyreek.  No punishment. 

The NFL seems more likely to punish than any other punitive body... I think this probably means he is actually innocent.  I feel really bad for him and sincerely apologize for jumping to conclusions. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

second round pick?

I think those that drafted him in rookie drafts regret it more - he can still be useful in real football at least.

Right, their first pick was a second rounder that they moved up for, I believe. I bet they had more pressing needs. Welcome back, btw.

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Just now, Edgar said:

That sound you hear is Mecole Hardman’s value going down the crapper. 

I saw him go as early as 1.07 in some leagues - I wasn't a fan at the time and now it looks far far worse.

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1 minute ago, Fear The Turtle said:

Right, their first pick was a second rounder that they moved up for, I believe. I bet they had more pressing needs. Welcome back, btw.

That's right, they traded away their first round pick (and yes they could surely have used some help on defense) - and thanks.

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currently WR27 in redraft-ppr rankings, with the latest 2 entries #14 (7/18) and #4 just this morning (before this announcement)

where do we rank him now?  i say around 7-8ish, cant quite put him top5.  NFL definitely left the door open to reevaluate, which is how they should do things anyway, and i'm also not so sure we've heard the end of the audio tape comments.

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He was the #1 WR in FF last year. He is going to have to play a prove it season to get paid.

 

if you rank him WR 7 or 8 it’s basically a DND designation BC there is no chance he’s there

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Just now, Babooya said:

He was the #1 WR in FF last year. He is going to have to play a prove it season to get paid.

 

if you rank him WR 7 or 8 it’s basically a DND designation BC there is no chance he’s there

Now that the shadow of a significant suspension is no longer looming, I expect the Chiefs and Hill to get an extension done prior to Week 1.  And it will be significant, but will also contain significant clauses to protect the Chiefs in the event something does happen in the future.

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Wow quite a roller coaster ride. Surprised at the outcome. Wish I’d tried to trade for him.

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Holy overreaction!  Glad I was wrong about my guess of a 4-6 game suspension.  Sure am glad I held onto him in the two leagues I owned him and traded for him in another....whew!  

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23 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

RIP to the folks who moved him in dynasty for second round picks. 

This was me...even worse a 2020 second rounder. *sigh*

Maybe Sammy Watkins, also on my roster, will somehow miraculously outplay him. A guy can dream.

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8 minutes ago, Skeletore Eh said:

queue the cowboys fans complaining that zeke got six games and hill got zero

id by lying if I said it didnt cross my mind 😁

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40 minutes ago, Babooya said:

He was the #1 WR in FF last year. He is going to have to play a prove it season to get paid.

 

if you rank him WR 7 or 8 it’s basically a DND designation BC there is no chance he’s there

He was sixth in my leagues (ppr) behind Adams, Brown, Thomas, Hopkins and Thielen. I rank him about the same this year (but not behind all the same guys).

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I tried to pry him away from the owner in my league (late first offered).   He smartly did not bite.  I should have offered more...

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