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Just now, Edgar said:

That sound you hear is Mecole Hardman’s value going down the crapper. 

I saw him go as early as 1.07 in some leagues - I wasn't a fan at the time and now it looks far far worse.

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1 minute ago, Fear The Turtle said:

Right, their first pick was a second rounder that they moved up for, I believe. I bet they had more pressing needs. Welcome back, btw.

That's right, they traded away their first round pick (and yes they could surely have used some help on defense) - and thanks.

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currently WR27 in redraft-ppr rankings, with the latest 2 entries #14 (7/18) and #4 just this morning (before this announcement)

where do we rank him now?  i say around 7-8ish, cant quite put him top5.  NFL definitely left the door open to reevaluate, which is how they should do things anyway, and i'm also not so sure we've heard the end of the audio tape comments.

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He was the #1 WR in FF last year. He is going to have to play a prove it season to get paid.

 

if you rank him WR 7 or 8 it’s basically a DND designation BC there is no chance he’s there

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Just now, Babooya said:

He was the #1 WR in FF last year. He is going to have to play a prove it season to get paid.

 

if you rank him WR 7 or 8 it’s basically a DND designation BC there is no chance he’s there

Now that the shadow of a significant suspension is no longer looming, I expect the Chiefs and Hill to get an extension done prior to Week 1.  And it will be significant, but will also contain significant clauses to protect the Chiefs in the event something does happen in the future.

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Wow quite a roller coaster ride. Surprised at the outcome. Wish I’d tried to trade for him.

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Holy overreaction!  Glad I was wrong about my guess of a 4-6 game suspension.  Sure am glad I held onto him in the two leagues I owned him and traded for him in another....whew!  

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23 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

RIP to the folks who moved him in dynasty for second round picks. 

This was me...even worse a 2020 second rounder. *sigh*

Maybe Sammy Watkins, also on my roster, will somehow miraculously outplay him. A guy can dream.

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8 minutes ago, Skeletore Eh said:

queue the cowboys fans complaining that zeke got six games and hill got zero

id by lying if I said it didnt cross my mind 😁

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40 minutes ago, Babooya said:

He was the #1 WR in FF last year. He is going to have to play a prove it season to get paid.

 

if you rank him WR 7 or 8 it’s basically a DND designation BC there is no chance he’s there

He was sixth in my leagues (ppr) behind Adams, Brown, Thomas, Hopkins and Thielen. I rank him about the same this year (but not behind all the same guys).

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I tried to pry him away from the owner in my league (late first offered).   He smartly did not bite.  I should have offered more...

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1 minute ago, Heisenberg23 said:

His total EOY stats will be there but he is inconsistent with too many of those 2-35 type games 

He literally had one game like that last year.

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3 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

He literally had one game like that last year.

4 games in full PPR with 10.00 points  or less (D Hop had none). Law of averages Mahommes regress some and that number maybe 6 of 16 weeks. 

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5 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

He literally had one game like that last year.

No matter how you slice it, Hill is back at the top of the WR1 conversation.

For me, he's WR3 overall, behind only Hopkins and Adams. He's a scintilla over Julio and Thomas, but ahead of OBJ in my book.

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1 minute ago, Heisenberg23 said:

4 games in full PPR with 10.00 points  or less (D Hop had none). Law of averages Mahommes regress some and that number maybe 6 of 16 weeks. 

Okay, but that's a far cry from 2-35.  Also, if that's the measuring stick you're using, Michael Thomas had four games where he scored less than 10 PPR points.  Mike Evans had four as well.  Thielen had two.  JuJu had two, and one where he scored exactly 10 points.  I don't really see your point here.  

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I like him over Thomas but would draft Hop, Adams, Julio, Evans, obj, juju ahead of him so WR7 .Only takes one person in draft SERP or auction so my guess he goes about WR 4 won’t be on any my teams. 

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Just now, JoeJoe88 said:

Okay, but that's a far cry from 2-35.  Also, if that's the measuring stick you're using, Michael Thomas had four games where he scored less than 10 PPR points.  Mike Evans had four as well.  Thielen had two.  JuJu had two, and one where he scored exactly 10 points.  I don't really see your point here.  

Everything went perfect for KC last year. No way Mahommes throws 50 TD. 40 gonna be tough. Probably 35 and he still is qb 1 or 2 

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24 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

He was sixth in my leagues (ppr) behind Adams, Brown, Thomas, Hopkins and Thielen. I rank him about the same this year (but not behind all the same guys).

He was #1 in our format (bonus for plays over 40 & TDs over 40 - he had 8 & 4 - plus 0.04 for return yards.)

I have right behind the target hogs (Hopkins, Adams & Julio), grouped with Thomas and OBJ. But at 1.10 / 1.15 it's not insane to think he'll be there because 8-9 RBs will come off the board before my first pick, and probably 11-12 before my second rounder.

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Yeah there's no way a 24 year old WR/QB could ever improve.......roll eyes......

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10 minutes ago, Milkman said:

Yeah there's no way a 24 year old WR/QB could ever improve.......roll eyes......

50 TD (yet alone 40) is not sustainable. Maybe I’m wrong and he already a HOF Qb. At current ADP Mahommes is going late 2 mid 3 he would have to repeat 50 to justify that ADP. You would be drafting him based on his ceiling - too rich for me. Defenses adjust too. After suspension news Hill will also be drafted at his ceiling imho. 

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48 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

Okay, but that's a far cry from 2-35.  Also, if that's the measuring stick you're using, Michael Thomas had four games where he scored less than 10 PPR points.  Mike Evans had four as well.  Thielen had two.  JuJu had two, and one where he scored exactly 10 points.  I don't really see your point here.  

I think the point he is trying to make is last year it maybe felt like if he didn't score 40 points he felt fairly average. 7 weeks of 7,14,10,12,6,8,13 scoring will do that.   Granted 40 point weeks win you that week so there is that....

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3 minutes ago, Heisenberg23 said:

50 TD (yet alone 40) is not sustainable. Maybe I’m wrong and he already a HOF Qb. At current ADP Mahommes is going late 2 mid 3 he would have to repeat 50 to justify that ADP. You would be drafting him based on his ceiling - too rich for me. Defenses adjust too. After suspension news Hill will also be drafted at his ceiling imho. 

Next 3-4 years is peak Tyreek/Mahomes. Pass on them if you want. With Tyreek not missing any games Mahomes good for 40. It's never been done before is true but every record that has been set wasn't done before it was. The league is changing. Passing more. Better QB are coming out of college all the time. Tyreek is the best deep threat the league has seen since Randy Moss. I'm buying. 

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11 minutes ago, mozzy84 said:

I think the point he is trying to make is last year it maybe felt like if he didn't score 40 points he felt fairly average. 7 weeks of 7,14,10,12,6,8,13 scoring will do that.   Granted 40 point weeks win you that week so there is that....

Even if you take away his three 40+ point weeks,  he still had 5 other weeks where he scored 20+. Everybody always wants to say he’s basically just a deep threat and boom/bust because they see all the highlight reel 50+ yard tds, but that’s actually not the case. 

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28 minutes ago, mozzy84 said:

I think the point he is trying to make is last year it maybe felt like if he didn't score 40 points he felt fairly average. 7 weeks of 7,14,10,12,6,8,13 scoring will do that.   Granted 40 point weeks win you that week so there is that....

Exactly. 

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lol at anyone who panic sold

Hill might gain some goodwill after this. This whole episode brings into doubt the situation in college. He needs to ditch his baby mama. 

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1 hour ago, JoeJoe88 said:

Even if you take away his three 40+ point weeks,  he still had 5 other weeks where he scored 20+. Everybody always wants to say he’s basically just a deep threat and boom/bust because they see all the highlight reel 50+ yard tds, but that’s actually not the case. 

I hear you. But compared to say Adams, Hopkins and a few others towards the top last year he could and should be considered inconsistent (none of them had 6 weeks of 13 or less points).   I like hill but I like 5-6 guys more going into this year.

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2 hours ago, Skeletore Eh said:

queue the cowboys fans complaining that zeke got six games and hill got zero

I mean they wouldn't be wrong. Zeke must have shown up to his interview with Goodell, and sat down and told Roger to go F himself or something. 

As for Hill, I think its unrealistic to expect numbers on par with what he did last year, the Chiefs offense will come down(it has to) and that is much more likely to come out of Hill than it is from Kelce or even Watkins, as teams will likely sell out more to stop him from getting deep. The Chargers did that late in the year, and both the Colts and Patriots did that on the playoffs. Of course, those teams are all well coached, and have quality players, so it won't work for everyone, but I'd bet on Hill being closer to his 2017 than his 2018. That is still a WR1 though, but I think he's more in line with guys like Mike Evans or even Keenan Allen(in PPR) than he is with Hopkins or Adams.

3 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I saw him go as early as 1.07 in some leagues - I wasn't a fan at the time and now it looks far far worse.

That might still be a fine pick. Watkins is almost a lock to be gone after this year, and Hill is no lock to be there in 2020, and seemingly will always be an off field risk. Hardman's floor is probably the #3 option in the best passing game in the league after 2019, with upside for more. If people were expecting Hardman to be a difference maker in 2019, than they were kidding themselves to begin with, but I still don't see him as all that different than guys like Campbell or Samuel.

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The reason a lot of good posters are coming in here and hitting the brakes on Tyreek's projections is because a QB has never followed a 50 TD season up with another one. Mahomes has a good shot at being the first. Tyreek was getting double a lot all year. For some reason people still think he's a gimmick player. They have been saying for 3 years that he's not that good and he just keeps getting better. Look for him to improve even more this year. 

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3 hours ago, Bucky86 said:

Video>>>>>>>>>voice recording.

Especially when the video is brutal and the voice recording when heard in its full context is meh at best.

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The comments on PFT are ridiculous.  Looks like the NFL might get some backlash for this, even though they probably did the right thing.

This is unfortunate because the idiot masses are teaching the NFL that they are right to be more concerned with PR as it pertains to mainstream casual idiots than actual justice.  Angry, uninformed internet mobs are probably going to influence future decisions.  Maybe some mainstream news source will come out with an honest article on this instead of just harvesting clicks and outrage.  It's clear that almost all the commenters are not up to date on the recent events.

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3 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

The comments on PFT are ridiculous.  Looks like the NFL might get some backlash for this, even though they probably did the right thing.

This is unfortunate because the idiot masses are teaching the NFL that they are right to be more concerned with PR as it pertains to mainstream casual idiots than actual justice.  Angry, uninformed internet mobs are probably going to influence future decisions.  Maybe some mainstream news source will come out with an honest article on this instead of just harvesting clicks and outrage.  It's clear that almost all the commenters are not up to date on the recent events.

They won't budge on guys like Gordon with marijuana despite nearly unanimous public outcry and massively shifted social norms, so I kind of doubt we have to worry about the NFL worrying about public opinion when it comes to player discipline. 

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4 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

They won't budge on guys like Gordon with marijuana despite nearly unanimous public outcry and massively shifted social norms, so I kind of doubt we have to worry about the NFL worrying about public opinion when it comes to player discipline. 

I'm pretty sure the public opinion on the "mainstream" NFL fanbase sites is against Marijuana or 50/50 at best - not unanimous at all from the thumbs up/down on comments?

Public perception seems to me to be the main factor in any decision they make - it is a business.

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9 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

Maybe some mainstream news source will come out with an honest article on this instead of just harvesting clicks and outrage.

Take from it what you will, but this was posted 5 days ago:

https://medium.com/@claywendler/sex-lies-and-audiotape-can-tyreek-hill-outrun-espinal-family-control-95ca27954911

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2 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

I'm pretty sure the public opinion on the "mainstream" NFL fanbase sites is against Marijuana or 50/50 at best - not unanimous at all from the thumbs up/down on comments?

Public perception seems to me to be the main factor in any decision they make - it is a business.

Nevermind - I stand corrected.  After further review, it seems like it's about 5 to 1 ratio in favor of Marijuana.

Hurray progress!

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3 minutes ago, trader jake said:

For sure - I read that a few days ago.  It doesn't seem to be getting the mainstream attention it should.

That story is just crazy.

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[Tucker] Ultimately it appears Tyreek Hill got the benefit of the doubt that Zeke and others didn't even though he 1) has a heinous prior conviction on his record, 2) the DA said in a statement that he believed a crime was committed, and 3) very disturbing threatening audio. 🤔

 

https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL/status/1152283774853533696

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1 minute ago, zeeshan2 said:

[Tucker] Ultimately it appears Tyreek Hill got the benefit of the doubt that Zeke and others didn't even though he 1) has a heinous prior conviction on his record, 2) the DA said in a statement that he believed a crime was committed, and 3) very disturbing threatening audio. 🤔

 

https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL/status/1152283774853533696 

Dude thinks we're still in April.

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19 minutes ago, zeeshan2 said:

[Tucker] Ultimately it appears Tyreek Hill got the benefit of the doubt that Zeke and others didn't even though he 1) has a heinous prior conviction on his record, 2) the DA said in a statement that he believed a crime was committed, and 3) very disturbing threatening audio. 🤔

 

https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL/status/1152283774853533696

They are all digging in. Damage control. 

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29 minutes ago, zeeshan2 said:

[Tucker] Ultimately it appears Tyreek Hill got the benefit of the doubt that Zeke and others didn't even though he 1) has a heinous prior conviction on his record, 2) the DA said in a statement that he believed a crime was committed, and 3) very disturbing threatening audio. 🤔

 

https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL/status/1152283774853533696

Tweet him that medium link and see if he's got the stones to read it.  Tucker is a ####.

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