Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
celtics are still number 3 in the whole NBA in net rating and average point differential. Sixers are 8th.
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modogg
Footballguy
C's also had one of the easiest schedules in the league (played 2 playoff teams in last month and a half i believe). And any stats with the Sixers i would throw out this year. Literally like 4 different teams. 1st month and a half when we tried the Fultz experiment starting him over JJ was just terrible. things corrected after that, but i think have to consider learning curve with bringing in Jimmy and this 2nd wave
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
interesting point. here are espn's RPI rankings. Sixers 5th, Celtics 13th.
http://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
although Boston's expected winning % puts them 3rd, with the Sixers at 8.
http://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/EWP
though maybe that's just based on the point differential and doesn't factor in SOS.
http://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/EWP
though maybe that's just based on the point differential and doesn't factor in SOS.
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Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
From The Athletic NBA power rankings:
Insein
Footballguy
Yea it's like he heard people talking about how uninterested he's been. He definitely kicked it up a notch this week.
modogg
Footballguy
i would love for him to come out at some point and say how he has been saving himself for the playoffs. Definitely scared of signing him for multi year contract even if he has a good playoffs, but he seems to be fitting in well the more of these games they are playing
modogg
Footballguy
i thought so too.
Insein
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
oh my god, i thought we were safe, but now it is clear that we will fall to 5 and get matched up with the Celts, lose 4-1, Embiid tears ACL, Butler leaves, Harris leaves, Ben tries shooting 6 3s per game next year making 1%, hinkie becomes GM of the Wiz and rebuilds them and finishes the job, Josh and partners sell team and make $1 billion, while the fans are left crying in the corner in the fetal position
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
some call me a pessimist
some people call me maurice
i call them dreamers
but i'm not the only one
i hope some you'll join us
and the world will be as one
some people call me maurice
i call them dreamers
but i'm not the only one
i hope some you'll join us
and the world will be as one
Deamon
Footballguy
Fair fear. But we likely only need to win 1 of our last 3 to lock down the 3 seed.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
They've played more games. They'd have to go 3-0 and us 1-3. Don't see that happening at all. I'd way rather 4th than 3rd place anyways. Vs indi then vs Milwaukee is much better than vs det and then Toronto.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Wouldn’t mind seeing Zaire get a little more time to see if he could slow down those guards.
and honestly Ben can eat a #### with those comments about the booing.
and honestly Ben can eat a #### with those comments about the booing.
need2know
Footballguy
Ben looked lost out there.
I cannot believe how bad they looked overall. If butler hadn't started taking over they would have lost by 20+.
the defense is absolutely dreadful.
I don't feel great about this series
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I guess the only thing to take solace in is that the sixers played just about their worst game while I think the nets played close to their best.
however, without embiid, I’m not sure how much to the sixers will be able to do strategy wise in order to change that dynamic.
need2know
Footballguy
And we could not hit any threes.
They look better tonight. Look like a different team
need2know
Footballguy
the past 2 games really erased whatever that was that happened in game one.
i am thinking embiid could have played if he really had to. i agree rest him this whole series if they want.
Toronto looks very beatable to me
Insein
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
i just want them to play it close into the 4th qtr and see what happens. they need a great start sunday. they dont seem the type of team to come back on the road vs a good team. it was nice to see multiple players start shooting better. embiid, harris, reddick, scott. etc. if we hit threes like that or even close to that we should have a good shot to win
Insein
Footballguy
What a way to lose.
Ultimately these are the types of losses that cause young teams to grow. Hopefully Joel and Ben take these to heart this off season.
Joel needs to get his body in order for next season. He has to get on the right diet and conditioning program.
Ben, he needs a damn jump shot and to find a way to harness that occasional aggressiveness.
They'll be better off after this but man what a way to lose.
Ultimately these are the types of losses that cause young teams to grow. Hopefully Joel and Ben take these to heart this off season.
Joel needs to get his body in order for next season. He has to get on the right diet and conditioning program.
Ben, he needs a damn jump shot and to find a way to harness that occasional aggressiveness.
They'll be better off after this but man what a way to lose.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Interesting stats on the starters from the athletic.
The final numbers on the Sixers’ starters:
• Regular season: 161 minutes, 119.0 offensive rating, 101.4 defensive rating, +17.6 net rating (No. 4 of the 66 lineups that logged more than 150 minutes)
• Playoffs: 173 minutes, 113.4 offensive rating, 88.5 defensive rating, +24.9 net rating (No. 1 of the 15 lineups that logged more than 50 minutes, despite playing seven games against the No. 2 lineup in Toronto’s starters)
The final numbers on the Sixers’ starters:
• Regular season: 161 minutes, 119.0 offensive rating, 101.4 defensive rating, +17.6 net rating (No. 4 of the 66 lineups that logged more than 150 minutes)
• Playoffs: 173 minutes, 113.4 offensive rating, 88.5 defensive rating, +24.9 net rating (No. 1 of the 15 lineups that logged more than 50 minutes, despite playing seven games against the No. 2 lineup in Toronto’s starters)
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Insein
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
It's going to be a hard sell it seems. He can get an extra year and another $40m from Philly but he might think he can get that in endorsements from other places. If he's about winning though like he says, this is the closest place to doing it unless GSW brought him in after Durant leaves.CentralPA said:
CentralPA
Footballguy
Yep, for NBA stars it is all about branding these days instead of winning titles. See James, LeBron
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
From a day or 2 ago. Supposedly will be the defensive coordinator. If he was really the key to the Spurs' defense, this seems like a great hire. Spurs had great defenses the past several years. This year was a dip, but honestly with their personnel, being the 20th-rated defense was pretty good.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Also, I keep thinking about this season and, at least in hindsight, how close they actually were to a championship this year. They took the presumed champions to the 1-yard line and probably win the series if Joel was healthy (game 4 still makes me crazy). We know they had a better matchup with the Bucks than Raps, and the Bucks ended up being figured out better on offense anyway. Then a depleted Warriors team in the finals. Obviously not close to a guarantee they would have done what the Raps did, but there is easily a case when you look at it now.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
So I guess now that the shock and anger of the draft has worn off, let’s think about what the team will look like. After all of these shenanigans, they better ####### bring back both butler and Harris (or somehow get a different max guy for one of them). Which probably leaves the roster like this:
embiid
simmons
butler
harris
reddick
thybulle
Zaire
scott
tj
bolden
shake
some backup center (please)
If I do that by holding the bird rights and signing:
butler (max 32.7), Harris (max 32.7), Reddick (9 mill), Scott (5 mill), tj (1.6 mill), and the center on the biannual, they still have non taxpayer MLE (at least according to the capulator http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=17451484825d0feeb30c311462582192)
Let's say that backup is Kyle O'Quinn and that they could get Mirotic with the MLE, then the cap looks like this: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=8344315265d0fefe71c8cd057525598
Mirotic might be too pie in the sky, so maybe Marcus Morris or Al-Faroug Aminu would be a good substitute.
That gives them 12 players and they are just barely over the tax. I assume Shayok will be in the G leauge. I'm not sure why it wouldn't have been worth having another 2nd round pick or 2 at the end of the roster, but I guess I can see a little more of the vision of this roster construction as long as they bring back/in 2 max FAs.
I guess they could maybe get Harris or Scott or Butler to sign for slightly less and that would keep them under the luxury tax to start (though 9 mill may be a little optimistic for JJ). And then they play around with the roster over the year to keep enough fresh guys and not go into the tax. Then they are set up to re-sign Ben without ever having gone into the tax before next year and then they better pay it out the ###.
embiid
simmons
butler
harris
reddick
thybulle
Zaire
scott
tj
bolden
shake
some backup center (please)
If I do that by holding the bird rights and signing:
butler (max 32.7), Harris (max 32.7), Reddick (9 mill), Scott (5 mill), tj (1.6 mill), and the center on the biannual, they still have non taxpayer MLE (at least according to the capulator http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=17451484825d0feeb30c311462582192)
Let's say that backup is Kyle O'Quinn and that they could get Mirotic with the MLE, then the cap looks like this: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=8344315265d0fefe71c8cd057525598
Mirotic might be too pie in the sky, so maybe Marcus Morris or Al-Faroug Aminu would be a good substitute.
That gives them 12 players and they are just barely over the tax. I assume Shayok will be in the G leauge. I'm not sure why it wouldn't have been worth having another 2nd round pick or 2 at the end of the roster, but I guess I can see a little more of the vision of this roster construction as long as they bring back/in 2 max FAs.
I guess they could maybe get Harris or Scott or Butler to sign for slightly less and that would keep them under the luxury tax to start (though 9 mill may be a little optimistic for JJ). And then they play around with the roster over the year to keep enough fresh guys and not go into the tax. Then they are set up to re-sign Ben without ever having gone into the tax before next year and then they better pay it out the ###.
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