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USA Today's Tom Pelissero spoke with NFL personnel members at the Senior Bowl who brought up Notre Dame's benching of QB DeShone Kizer.
The "benching" sounds much worse on paper than it was in reality. Kizer exited the game with a 10-7 lead against Stanford following two interceptions. Malik Zaire did nothing with his opportunity and Brian Kelly turned back to Kizer at the end of the game. Kizer stepped his starting gig the rest of the season and converted 13 touchdowns versus two interceptions in the final five games of the season. It is not a big deal.
Source: USA Today
Jan 30 - 11:31 AM
I agree with what you said but of this draft class, he 'might' turn out to be the best if he does develop. I see the potential but don't feel he's worth a top pick because he isn't ready, however you could say the same thing with Trubisky and his 13 starts or with Watson and the system he comes from and how we haven't had a chance to see him operate under center.Saw him play quite a bit, and came away thinking he's a guy that really could have used another year in college and another 13 or 14 starts. I don't think he's anywhere near being able to come in and play right away.
Completely agree. I wouldn't feel confident taking any of these three early. In my opinion, Watson is the only one of the three who's even close to being ready to play.I agree with what you said but of this draft class, he 'might' turn out to be the best if he does develop. I see the potential but don't feel he's worth a top pick because he isn't ready, however you could say the same thing with Trubisky and his 13 starts or with Watson and the system he comes from and how we haven't had a chance to see him operate under center.
We still haven't had the Combine and we don't know how these guys will test out. Hopefully, they all will participate and not push this out until the agonizing 'dog-and-pony Pro-Day workout' that has been scripted by a Hollywood producer but Trubisky is rumored to be shorter than his listed height and Watson looks lighter than his listed weight so we might see more blemishes with the top names before the process even gets started.
Interesting. I hold the opposite opinion. Trubisky, IMO, is going to emerge as the best QB from this class. Watson is going to be a huge bust. Probably most ready to play, yes, but I think he will turn out to be a disaster.petekrum said:Completely agree. I wouldn't feel confident taking any of these three early. In my opinion, Watson is the only one of the three who's even close to being ready to play.
NFL Network draft expert Mike Mayock ranks Notre Dame QB DeShone Kizer as the NFL Draft's top quarterback prospect.
Kizer got the nod over the following, in order, in Mayock's initial positional rankings: Clemson's Deshaun Watson, North Carolina's Mitch Trubisky, Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes and Cal's Davis Webb. Kizer (6-foot-4, 230 pounds) completed 212-of-361 passes for 2,925 yards and a 26/9 TD/INT rate last year.
Source: NFL.com
In his most recent mock draft, ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. does not have Notre Dame QB DeShone Kizer being drafted in the first round.
Two quarterbacks do go off the first-round board in Kiper's projection. It's just that neither of them is Kizer, whom NFL Network's Mike Mayock listed as the top gunslinger in the draft earlier this week. The longtime ESPN draft guru slots North Carolina QB Mitch Trubisky to the 49ers at No. 2 and Clemson QB Deshaun Watson to the Bills at No. 10. For a different angle, in his second mock draft of 2017, Rotoworld's Josh Norris tabbed all three of Trubisky, Watson and Kizer to be drafted within the first 15 picks.
Source: ESPN Insider
Feb 16 - 4:26 PM
Media draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah compared Notre Dame QB DeShone Kizer to Arizona Cardinals QB Carson Palmer.
Bucky Brooks, Jeremiah's partner in crime on the Move the Sticks podcast, doesn't think his co-host is far off here. Said Brooks, "I like that comparison. I believe he is that guy. I believe he is a flamethrower from the pocket. I believe, in a classic system, he could push it down the field. If you put him in Bruce Arians' system, he could do all of those things." Earlier this week, NFL Media's Mike Mayock anointed the 6-foot-4, 230-pound Kizer as his No. 1 quarterback prospect in the current draft class.
Source: NFL.com
Completely agreed that he fits well in Arizona.
Yeah,um...right.
Translation: lacks mental tools.
No ####. That is so 1990's and 2000s. What a joke of an article. Probably went back an plagiarized an article about Vinc Yung. Physical tools for a QB are not the deciding factor. Any GM excited by it is a moron and should not be running an NFL team if it doesn't include metal tools. It is low on the totem pole. 2 of the LEAST physically gifted QBs played in the 2017 SB.Translation: lacks mental tools.
Tom Brady isn't physically gifted? He can't throw a ball far? accurate?No ####. That is so 1990's and 2000s. What a joke of an article. Probably went back an plagiarized an article about Vinc Yung. Physical tools for a QB are not the deciding factor. Any GM excited by it is a moron and should not be running an NFL team if it doesn't include metal tools. It is low on the totem pole. 2 of the LEAST physically gifted QBs played in the 2017 SB.
I don't know if I've ever seen Brady try to throw it more than 15 yards downfield.Tom Brady isn't physically gifted? He can't throw a ball far? accurate?
Matt Ryan is mentally gifted? If so why has his "Matty Ice" title been taken away and given back to him so frequently?
Brady does rely on YAC statistics for his yardage but to say Brady isn't physically gifted... I mean come on... I was a pretty bad Brady hater at one point but that's just crazyI don't know if I've ever seen Brady try to throw it more than 15 yards downfield.
Critics are critical, but not always steeped in analysis.
all NFL players are physically gifted. Brady and Ryan are not as physically gifted as Cam or Jamarcus Russell.You guys are totally missing what is meant by 'physically gifted.' Ben R., Andrew Luck & Cam Newton are physically gifted. Neither Brady nor Ryan are. They would never be able to run over anyone like Newton does. They also do not have cannon arms. That is a fact. Yes, they can make all the throws but they are not physically gifted. If you are calling this physically gifted, I can only laugh.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/12/16/nfl-ben-roethlisberger-pittsburgh-steelers
That's true but when they say that an NFL player is physically gifted, they are talking about the guys I mentioned....otherwise the phrase physically gifted would never need to be used. Think about it. If they all are 'physically gifted', why say he's physically gifted? It's like saying that QB can throw a football. They all can throw a football.all NFL players are physically gifted. Brady and Ryan are not as physically gifted as Cam or Jamarcus Russell.
Translation: Please trade up for our pick.
Where are you getting this? At notre dame kizer is asked to read defenses, audible, and go thru his progressions and he does this well.Translation: lacks mental tools.
Partly just that's how it works - what's not said in a report matters. You talk up a guy's raw talent and physical abilities and don't mention much else, he's probably not shown mastery of the game or leadership.Where are you getting this? At notre dame kizer is asked to read defenses, audible, and go thru his progressions and he does this well.
There is a lot to like about DeShone Kizer’s game; he’s a dual-threat with great physical attributes, excellent instincts, and tons of raw potential. He makes some genuinely spectacular plays that hint at a great NFL future. However, for Kizer to develop into a true franchise quarterback, he must become more consistent in the fundamentals of the position. He often relies too much on his natural talent and not enough on proven techniques, leading to inaccurate passes and missed opportunities
Yah its basically what I said before. I discount negative reports of Kizer from this past year because he had a coach problem. I think you get the 2015 version of Kizer if you draft him.This is the guy I think shoots up late, maybe to the top.
Bright, athletic, lost all his surrounding talent last year, and had a coach messing with him.
Will have good workouts, interview well, yeah I could see him being that riser.
That report seems pretty accurate IMO- did you see him throw today?I think the opinion of that scouting report is wrong. He's good at the fundmentals of the position.
No wonder he's Anonymous with no Kizer in top 10.The Anonymous Scout@AnonyousNFLS Feb 28
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Shoots up? Kizer been at the top all along. Biggest upside of any qb in draft.This is the guy I think shoots up late, maybe to the top.
Bright, athletic, lost all his surrounding talent last year, and had a coach messing with him.
Will have good workouts, interview well, yeah I could see him being that riser.
CBS article I posted in the Watson thread specifically called out Kizer and his poor performance.That report seems pretty accurate IMO- did you see him throw today?
And his combine performance isn't going to drop him any on most team's boards.CBS article I posted in the Watson thread specifically called out Kizer and his poor performance.
Doesn't mean jackThat report seems pretty accurate IMO- did you see him throw today?
Ok.And his combine performance isn't going to drop him any on most team's boards.
It means that the scouting report we're talking about is pretty spot on.Doesn't mean jack