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A week later, I am still crushed. The perspective of a mixed-race marriage and a loss of trust (1 Viewer)
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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msommer
Footballguy
In his position I wouldn't but I'm not the one with the (future) mixed race children that may need to be raised after my death.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
And anchor baby discussions would pertain to legally adopted children how, precisely?
Here's the thing. I cannot imagine a scenario, any scenario, where I ever would have voted for Trump. I hate Hillary but cannot say the same thing of her. To my way of thinking this is an outcome that is unprecedented and unimaginable. That said, I see no reason to conflate the already unimaginable. Koya is getting himself worked up and I don't find it healthy. I like Koya and just want to talk him off the ledge, or at least make certain he is in an OSHA approved safety harness while he is out there.
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
You say that everyone who voted Trump is a closet racist?
U.S. map of counties that flipped from Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016
So explain how these Obama supporters are closet racists
msommer
Footballguy
I'm glad you have taken to finding posts you like. Good For You. Are you padding your post count?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Honestly, even if you ignore all of this, it's still impossible to categorize this as a normal election and dismiss people's concerns unless you're being totally disingenuous or haven't been paying attention.
-Neither living former GOP president was willing to endorse or vote for him, and the two most recent GOP chiefs of staff strongly opposed his candidacy.
-At least 50 former GOP national security officials signed a statement rejecting Trump, saying they are "convinced he would be a dangerous president and would put at risk our country's national security and well-being."
-Almost no newspapers or magazines endorsed him. Several broke with history to issue an endorsement or to endorse a democrat.
-Many GOP senators and representatives rejected his candidacy outright, many more refused to campaign for him.
I suppose it's possible to reject all of this as "elitist" thinking or believe you know what's good for the country more than all the "so-called experts" or "Beltway insiders" or "liberal media" or whatever you tell yourself to rationalize your support for Trump. But you can't act like this is a normal election Even setting aside the charges of bigotry and sexual assault and so on and so on, the stuff in this post alone is unprecedented stuff.
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msommer
Footballguy
I'm sure Koya can explain his concerns in this respect. Do try to stay with the conversation instead of moving on tangential issues
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they all appear to be in America and we are a racist country. Find me a county without a white male and maybe I'll be convinced.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
The truth as you perceive it & now how your kids perceive it - I've got a pot luck lunch this weekend with 2 classes from my kids school, I wonder how many of them are "rightly very afraid right now." So much drama, and to think it is being pushed on little kids, so sad! You only get your childhood once, my kids won't ever cry over an election due to my beliefs, that is for damn sure.
My kids will develop their own opinions and beliefs, it won't be forced from me.
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Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Well, admittedly since you are in private school, probably not many. Report back with a tally when you hit public.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Only if she is in the country illegally has a criminal record. Estimated 2 million immigrants fall into this category out of the 11.4 illegal immigrants. Legal immigrants have nothing to worry about.
This is about legality not white vs. black/brown.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
It may not be that it's getting blown off as no big deal as much as it is people hopeful to move forward in a positive direction despite the obvious shortcomings.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
It's a UPK program, completely public, 2016-2017 didn't cost me a dime.
Son has two GF's the little stud, Spanish girl and a black girl - I've mentioned her in the kids name thread.
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Nick Vermeil
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jonessed
Footballguy
There was going to be a recession regardless of who was president. We have been limping along in one of the longest recoveries ever.
Whether it was Trump or Hillary I think they were always going to be a one-and-done.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Wouldn't change my perspective at all, my boys childhood is sacred to me - he isn't even 4 years old, he doesn't need to know how ####ed up this world is, plenty of time to figure that when he gets older. For now, I'll ensure his happiness anyway I can.
Any parent who gets a very little child invested in politics disgusts me and should be ashamed of themselves.
Black Box
Footballguy
David Dodds
Administrator
This is why he got elected. Did you see the crowds for Bernie and Trump? People were fed-up with the two-party system. They wanted change. They wanted change when Obama ran too. Hillary represented no change. The voters rejected her. Trump reprented bigly change. People held their noses and voted bigly change.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
I don't disagree, I'm just saying you are being naive if you think all of this isn't trickling down (see what I did there) to your little one. That's what I mean by they aren't stupid. They hear everything.
jonessed
Footballguy
Burdening kids with this crap is just ####ty parenting. There are a lot of truths in the world that are frightening. You don't have to dump them all on your kid's doorstep. That's just cruel.
msommer
Footballguy
tommyboy
Footballguy
i live in the same type county. you know what I mean you've always been a rational guy. I believe it was you that changed my thinking on gay marriage, for example.
contrast that principal to my daughters HS principal. Its the top Catholic school in Oregon. There are student protests going on daily here in Portland.
She sent an email yesterday saying that any student that left campus to protest was an unexcused absence and grades would be accounted for accordingly.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I just don't think any of this should be within an earshot of a little child and I know quite a few parents that got their 3-4 year olds worked up over this.
They had a vote in my son's class - I saw the picture 10 Hillary 4 Trump. I asked my son who he voted for, he said Donald Trump - he starts cracking up like he is making a joke and says "bc that is Donald Ducks brother hahahahaha." I guarantee a few of those Hillary voters were influenced by their parents, the fact that my boy voted Trump bc of Donald Duck made me smile.
Hey son, that was the wrong choice - he is a racist that is going to deport all Mexicans and make rape legal.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Enlighten me, where are 3 and 4 year olds picking up opinions on Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump?
jonessed
Footballguy
Obviously. It's not the parent's fault if they pick it up elsewhere. At that point you just try to explain it to them without scaring the crap out of them.
msommer
Footballguy
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Ok, you've made your point. Your son=average mid west voter.
I kid you mouth breathers. I kid.
msommer
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
The back and forth I've been involved with in reference to children started with a conversation about preschoolers. That appeared to be the start of this back and forth involving children, that is what Jonessed responded to and you quoted him.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Sure. I mean personally, I think it's incredibly stupid for regular people to think they know more about what's best for the safety and security of the United States than national security officials on both sides of the aisle. And I think it's incredibly stupid that people think they know what a president does and does not do more than former presidents and chiefs of staff on both sides of the aisle.
But whatever, that's just one dumb-### guy's opinion. That wasn't my point.
My point was that you cannot pretend this is just another election and compare reactions to it to reactions to previous elections. We're in uncharted territory here just based on the four items I listed. This is different. Maybe you think it's different in a good way, and you're entitled to your opinion on that. But you're not entitled to ignore reality and pretend this is the same as any other presidential election of our lifetimes. I gave you four huge, unprecedented differences, and we all know I could have easily given you forty more.
msommer
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
This seems like a weird place to draw the line with parents. Parents instill their values to their children all the time. On matters of faith, morality, and yes, politics.
My son is too young to have a conversation about this, but if he weren't you're damn right I'd talk to him about this election and what I think it means about this country's values. I'd assure him that he is privileged enough that he probably needn't worry about the personal consequences to him, but that other's in vulnerable populations are not so privileged. And that I believe that I owe those people my empathy and support. I'd also tell him that it's natural to think of the President as someone who he should aspire to be like as a man. And I'd try very hard to make him understand why that should not be the case. Because if my son becomes the type of man that Donald Trump is and has been, I will have failed as a parent.
My son is too young to have a conversation about this, but if he weren't you're damn right I'd talk to him about this election and what I think it means about this country's values. I'd assure him that he is privileged enough that he probably needn't worry about the personal consequences to him, but that other's in vulnerable populations are not so privileged. And that I believe that I owe those people my empathy and support. I'd also tell him that it's natural to think of the President as someone who he should aspire to be like as a man. And I'd try very hard to make him understand why that should not be the case. Because if my son becomes the type of man that Donald Trump is and has been, I will have failed as a parent.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I did, I'd anticipate older kids would pick stuff up from all different areas - anything politics a 3 or 4 year old picks up is originating with a parent somewhere.
My whole point is, I've seen the "how do I explain this to my kids, my kids are so upset" shtick everywhere in reference to very young children... That stuff makes me sick to my stomach.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I don't know what the proper age is, but I do know 3 or 4 is too young.
Todem
Footballguy
I am a glass half full kinda guy.....I am willing to give it a shot here.
We don't have a choice right now. Gotta wait 4 more years. That's how it works. That's my main point.
Eephus
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Yeah, but you might very well have stuff going on when they are six or seven, depending on the values of the other parents (or possibly the school)
Steeler
Footballguy
I know you are hurting, and although I think your fears are way overblown, I have empathy for you wanting to protect your family.
However, I don't see how wanting tighter immigration policy against potential terrorists and illegal immigrants makes someone racist. Clearly you can vehemently disagree with those policies, but the knee jerk reaction to immediately dismiss and label everyone who voted for Trump a racist is just wrong. It's not just you Koya, many people in this thread are hiding behind that superficial assessment of the other side's political viewpoint.
DW mentioned that people on the right could be more magnanimous in victory and I agree. But people on the left could also be more reflective about why the results occurred and discuss the nuances of why someone might have voted the way they did. All of the best political discussions I have ever had in my life were with open-minded people with whom I disagreed. But if one side is starting the discussion with such a strong opinion about the other side, no reasonable discussions can occur.
I know the message board forum makes it difficult for reasonable discussions because mud-slingers and trolls from both sides show up and drag everyone down. It's one of the reasons I very, very rarely post anything in a political thread.
Anyway, good luck - but I don't think you'll need it based on these policies.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
T J
Footballguy
I've never thought twice about mixed race kids. And I think you're exaggerating the impact this election will have on anyone's feelings about it. I personally don't think anyone gives a hoot. I really don't.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
My son will be 7 for the next election, I'll prob still try to keep him sheltered from it - not the concept of democracy and the election, but the underlying tone of the candidates and the platforms they stand on.
Exactly. People pissing and moaning about this are the ones to blame. You keep electing the same worthless turds over and over again. You paraded out the biggest turd ever and we rejected her. We had enough.
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