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Johnnymac · Nov 25, 2016

Thought this article was very interesting because it basically describes what I have been telling people for a long time. I urge conservatives to give it a read. I know most wont even finish reading it because it will be called worthless drivel. To me, this article explains EXACTLY what has happened on the political landscape over the past 35 years in this country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/to-family-friends-and-peers-who-voted-for-trump_us_582e6b1fe4b08c963e343d23

Ilov80s · Nov 25, 2016

This obviously belongs here

Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html

IvanKaramazov · Nov 25, 2016

Johnnymac said:
I know most wont even finish reading it because it will be called worthless drivel.

Good call. I made it to the part about free trade being the primary cause of unemployment and finally stopped there. To be honest, I'm kind of proud of myself for making it that far.

Johnnymac · Nov 25, 2016

IvanKaramazov said:
Good call. I made it to the part about free trade being the primary cause of unemployment and finally stopped there. To be honest, I'm kind of proud of myself for making it that far.

Like I said, I know alot of people will not like this article. In my view, it is the most accurate description of what has happened over that time period. Just my view and I'm only one person. Hopefully this can be discussed here.

Max Power · Nov 25, 2016

Yeah that "article" is pretty brutal.

If you voted against Hillary Clinton because you think she’s crooked, untrustworthy, or just unlikable, then congratulations – you’ve been manipulated.

The truth is that Clinton is one of the most honest politicians in America, regardless of popular opinion.

Slapdash · Nov 25, 2016

This is probably a thread we need regardless of the article being used

Ilov80s · Nov 25, 2016

Max Power said:
Yeah that "article" is pretty brutal.

I think the article I posted was far more important.

Apple Jack · Nov 25, 2016

Max Power said:
Yeah that "article" is pretty brutal.

The truth hurts.

jon_mx · Nov 25, 2016

Max Power said:
Yeah that "article" is pretty brutal.

Yeah, Hillary is so honest and it is only Russian propaganda that shows otherwise. :lol:

This article seems like it was wiped with a cloth.

Arizona Ron · Nov 25, 2016

I love comparing/contracting Hillary with George W..."Oh if you think Hillary lies, look at what Bush did".

FYI - my option wasn't George W or Hillary, HTH.

SaintsInDome2006 · Nov 25, 2016

This was posted by Tobias in the Trump thread.

- It's pretty screwed up. The guy is a Democrat who hosted anti Hillary 'news' pages featuring propaganda/disinformation out of academic interest and for profit.

Apple Jack · Nov 25, 2016

There is some sick, twisted irony in this being brought to the attention of those on the hook and them continuing to blow it off.

Gr00vus · Nov 25, 2016

Just look at the global warming thread, plenty of conservatives looking for any excuse to avoid reality on display there.

Johnnymac · Nov 25, 2016

jon_mx said:
Yeah, Hillary is so honest and it is only Russian propaganda that shows otherwise.

This article seems like it was wiped with a cloth.

Ok but what about the rest of it? All BS too?

Slapdash · Nov 25, 2016

Gr00vus said:
Just look at the global warming thread, plenty of conservatives looking for any excuse to avoid reality on display there.

And now they elected someone who thinks global warming is a hoax

Gr00vus · Nov 25, 2016

Slapdash said:
And now they elected someone who thinks global warming is a hoax

And who's going to cut NASA funding for monitoring the climate/environment to avoid more proof that it's not a hoax.

jon_mx · Nov 25, 2016

Johnnymac said:
Ok but what about the rest of it? All BS too?

The first paragraph grouping conservatives with the KKK and ISIS was real classy. If someone wants to write a serious article they need to get past using such hyperboles or they will rightly lose most of their readers right off the bat.

Johnnymac · Nov 25, 2016

jon_mx said:
The first paragraph grouping conservatives with the KKK and ISIS was real classy. If someone wants to write a serious article they need to get past using such hyperboles or they will rightly lose most of their readers right off the bat.

So you just stopped after the 1st paragraph?

Apple Jack · Nov 25, 2016

jon_mx said:
The first paragraph grouping conservatives with the KKK and ISIS was real classy. If someone wants to write a serious article they need to get past using such hyperboles or they will rightly lose most of their readers right off the bat.

It wasn't hyperbole.

Ilov80s · Nov 25, 2016

Slapdash said:
And now they elected someone who thinks global warming is a hoax

so was Sandy Hook, right?

Soonerman · Nov 25, 2016

I wonder why this guy voted for all those Republican presidential candidates when they were as horrible as he says they are?

jon_mx · Nov 25, 2016

Johnnymac said:
So you just stopped after the 1st paragraph?

No. that was just the first of many examples. Later when he says that the US is more racist than anytime in history was even more ridiculous. Does he really believe racism today is as bad as it was in the days of slavery or even worse than the Jackie Robinson days. Just stupid statements followed by more stupid statements.

Johnnymac · Nov 25, 2016

jon_mx said:
No. that was just the first of many examples. Later when he says that the US is more racist than anytime in history was even more ridiculous. Does he really believe racism today is as bad as it was in the days of slavery or even worse than the Jackie Robinson days. Just stupid statements followed by more stupid statements.

I'm beginning to wonder?

Slapdash · Nov 25, 2016

Gr00vus said:
And who's going to cut NASA funding for monitoring the climate/environment to avoid more proof that it's not a hoax.

Yeah, this one is just shameful. But cannot let science get in the way of profits

Widbil83 · Nov 25, 2016

jon_mx said:
The first paragraph grouping conservatives with the KKK and ISIS was real classy. If someone wants to write a serious article they need to get past using such hyperboles or they will rightly lose most of their readers right off the bat.

Stopped there too. That was absurd even by Huffington Post standards (and there is no bigger joke of a site than Huffington Post).

Slapdash · Nov 25, 2016

‘Post-truth’ named 2016 word of the year by Oxford Dictionaries

Slapdash · Nov 25, 2016

Ilov80s said:
so was Sandy Hook, right?

That guy was laughing before he spoke!

Slapdash · Nov 25, 2016

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/63ite2/the-colbert-report-the-word---truthiness

Pretty much nails it...ten years ago

Weebs210 · Nov 25, 2016

Jesus how many cry baby liberal threads do we need. I think we should create a new subset for you guys. This is getting ridiculous when 90% of the first page is cry baby political posts.

Slapdash · Nov 25, 2016

Weebs210 said:
Jesus how many cry baby liberal threads do we need. I think we should create a new subset for you guys. This is getting ridiculous when 90% of the first page is cry baby political posts.

How many aliases do you need to create to make terrible posts?

Slapdash · Nov 25, 2016

Walking Boot said:
Remember it was the liberals that invented fake news with the "fake but accurate" Dan Rather attempt to topple W with lies in 2004.

Remember when he was forced to resign, not elected president, for spreading fake stories?

Apple Jack · Nov 25, 2016

Walking Boot said:
Remember it was the liberals that invented fake news with the "fake but accurate" Dan Rather attempt to topple W with lies in 2004.

Big difference being Rather believed it to be accurate. And still does.

Gr00vus · Nov 25, 2016

Walking Boot said:
Remember it was the liberals that invented fake news with the "fake but accurate" Dan Rather attempt to topple W with lies in 2004.

Lies like Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? Those kinds of lies?

Slapdash · Nov 25, 2016

Gr00vus said:
Lies like Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? Those kinds of lies?

Bush tax cuts paying for themselves

Weebs210 · Nov 25, 2016

Slapdash said:
How many aliases do you need to create to make terrible posts?

Every semi new poster has to be an alias. This is Trump's America now boy.

Mario Kart · Nov 25, 2016

Weebs210 said:
Jesus how many cry baby liberal threads do we need. I think we should create a new subset for you guys. This is getting ridiculous when 90% of the first page is cry baby political posts.

You should go to Reddit /all because the crybabies at /The_Donald have been mucking up Reddit for too long now. Especially in the last couple of days. Huge crybabies over there.

Slapdash · Nov 25, 2016

Mario Kart said:
You should go to Reddit /all because the crybabies at /The_Donald have been mucking up Reddit for too long now. Especially in the last couple of days. Huge crybabies over there.

Half of them are Russian plants anyways

DaVinci · Nov 25, 2016

Trump is a horrible person. Clinton is a horrible person. It's a shame they couldn't both lose. The fact that one beat the other is only a travesty if you are hyper-partisan.

Slapdash · Nov 25, 2016

Weebs210 said:
Every semi new poster has to be an alias. This is Trump's America now boy.

maybe if you'd stop getting banned you could keep one username

Weebs210 · Nov 25, 2016

Slapdash said:
maybe if you'd stop getting banned you could keep one username

Prove it in a court of law

Slapdash · Nov 25, 2016

Weebs210 said:
Prove it in a court of law

You'd probably just settle it out of court like your idol

Weebs210 · Nov 25, 2016

Slapdash said:
You'd probably just settle it out of court like your idol

Stay mad. Want some french crys with that waaah burger?

Slapdash · Nov 25, 2016

Weebs210 said:
Stay mad. Want some french crys with that waaah burger?

Honestly surprised you didn't call them freedom crys. Maybe you are acting your age and weren't around for that though.

Slapdash · Nov 25, 2016

Billionaires vs. the Press in the Era of Trump

Dedfin · Nov 25, 2016

Johnnymac said:
So you just stopped after the 1st paragraph?

How can you blame him? He was exhausted.

Paulymaggs · Nov 25, 2016

SaintsInDome2006 · Nov 25, 2016

I think this is a good article.

- We have seen the death of scandal.

- To me this is like saying you won't see the doctor because he's going to tell us we are sick.

Hasn't this been going on for some time now? Liberals and conservatives for years now have been attacking 'real news' based on the sources and writers. And journalists too have indeed often abandoned their ethics for partisanship. Earlier this year there were pieces in the NYT & WaPo openly calling on journalists to choose sides in the election even if it meant putting their ethics aside.

And so we saw news reported about the Clintons in which we were told there was no real scandal, and we saw news about Trump poo-pooed by his supporters because of who was doing the reporting.

We and the press have done this to ourselves and it has seriously damaged an important leg in our democracy.

shader · Nov 25, 2016

SaintsInDome2006 said:
This was posted by Tobias in the Trump thread.

- It's pretty screwed up. The guy is a Democrat who hosted anti Hillary 'news' pages featuring propaganda/disinformation out of academic interest and for profit.

Serious question. What can be done about this? I know there is "freedom of speech", but for a person to blatantly put out stories that are full of lies, and that directly slam the character of someone seems wrong.

All "fake news" isn't equal.

Its one thing to make large assumptions from limited data, it's another to just throw out a story that is completely false with no basis in fact at all.

SaintsInDome2006 · Nov 25, 2016

shader said:
Serious question. What can be done about this? I know there is "freedom of speech", but for a person to blatantly put out stories that are full of lies, and that directly slam the character of someone seems wrong.

All "fake news" isn't equal.

Its one thing to make large assumptions from limited data, it's another to just throw out a story that is completely false with no basis in fact at all.

I honestly don't know. I'm a total free speech and transparency guy. Those are usually my default positions.

I think unfortunately the era of technology has birthed the age of social media and that is a two way street. We all here likely think we put out information and thoughts which we believe are rational and beneficial but the reality is that we open ourselves up for the communication of very false and pernicious ideas by others using the same media. It's a bit of a Frankenstein really.

shader · Nov 25, 2016

SaintsInDome2006 said:
I honestly don't know. I'm a total free speech and transparency guy. Those are usually my default positions.

I think unfortunately the era of technology has birthed the age of social media and that is a two way street. We all here likely think we put out information and thoughts which we believe are rational and beneficial but the reality is that we open ourselves up for the communication of very false and pernicious ideas by others using the same media. It's a bit of a Frankenstein really.

I agree. It makes it difficult to have a discussion that's grounded in reality.

You read something and you have to go do 30 minutes of research to determine if it's true. Many don't want to do that, so they stick with websites that they assume are providing them honest info.

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