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11 minutes ago, timschochet said:

This argument is about 200 years too old (though I might be skeptical of it even in 1819.) 

Our government has drones and rockets and tanks and antitank guns and a whole bunch of stuff that you don’t have and cannot buy. If our government decides to impose a dictatorship they can. You are effectively already disarmed. 

Agreed but that is the thinking from gun owners. However, anyone saying guns should be completely removed is just as nuts. The saying would hold true: 'outlaw guns and only outlaws will own guns.'

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Anatoly Kurmanaev‏Verified account @AKurmanaev

@AmbJohnBolton mentions Cuba a dozen times in a 12 minute speech on Venezuela in Lima today, or once per minute. The embargo, "it will work in Venezuela and in Cuba." It's been in place for 57 years in Cuba.

8:05 AM - 6 Aug 2019

 

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13 minutes ago, IC FBGCav said:

Just as an example, in one of those videos, a hot dog on the street is 9,000 Bolivars, but the highest denomination is a 500, so you have to shell out 18 bills just for a hot dog, if you have 500 bills to begin with, that is. And ATM's give a max of 3,000 Bolivars.

That guy says the average salary is 40K / week, and the rate of exchange is 6K/$1US, so somewhere around $6 per month.

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https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1159157648404520960

#BREAKING | A ship containing 25 thousand tonnes of Soya, destined for Venezuela, has been seized in the Panama Canal due to the US blockade. //

I hope credulous idiots who supported the US attempt to install a puppet govt in Venezuela realize how stupid it was to ever think Trump/Guaido/Bolton/Abrams could possibly give a #### about human rights.  Here they are, attempting to starve a civilian population into submission.  They need to end the sanctions regime and stop making a bad situation worse.  

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3 hours ago, ren hoek said:

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1159157648404520960

#BREAKING | A ship containing 25 thousand tonnes of Soya, destined for Venezuela, has been seized in the Panama Canal due to the US blockade. //

I hope credulous idiots who supported the US attempt to install a puppet govt in Venezuela realize how stupid it was to ever think Trump/Guaido/Bolton/Abrams could possibly give a #### about human rights.  Here they are, attempting to starve a civilian population into submission.  They need to end the sanctions regime and stop making a bad situation worse.  

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-panama-canal-venezuela/panama-says-canal-operating-normally-no-ships-detained-idUSKCN1UX28P

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MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Panama’s Canal Authority said on Wednesday that the canal was operating normally and without delays, adding that no ships had been detained in the trade waterway.

The entity posted the statement on Twitter in response to a tweet from Venezuela’s Vice President Delcy Rodriguez, who said a ship carrying 25,000 tonnes of soy had been detained in the canal.

 

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Man, I wish those credulous idiots realize how stupid it is to believe the state propaganda of a corrupt, criminal, and incompetent kleptocracy.

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Axios reports that President Trump wants a full naval blockade of Venezuela against all advice of his staff and military.

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Maduro's party with a seemingly successful (actual) coup of the last democratic institution left in Venezuela.  Very sad.  Looks like the collapse and refugee crisis will continue...

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7 hours ago, Slapdash said:

Maduro's party with a seemingly successful (actual) coup of the last democratic institution left in Venezuela.  Very sad.  Looks like the collapse and refugee crisis will continue...

Interested in ren’s take on this.

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On 1/5/2020 at 10:50 PM, Alex P Keaton said:

Interested in ren’s take on this.

It is funny how people act so horrified of the Trump administration- then find themselves in lockstep with Mike Pompeo and Elliot Abrams and spew their talking points.  

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How can anyone that has been paying attention the past 3 years think Guaido, a figure groomed by Washington and backed by the Trump administration- whose sanctions regime has killed tens of thousands of Venezuelans- is interested in their human rights and democratic wellbeing?  

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For Western Press, the Only Coup in Venezuela Is Against Guaidó

The international corporate media have entered crisis mode following the replacement of Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó as head of the country’s National Assembly.

In headline after headline, Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro “Takes Over” (NBC, 1/6/20), “Claims Control of” (New York Times, 1/5/20; CNBC, 1/6/20) or “Seizes” (Reuters, 1/5/20; NPR, 1/6/20) parliament, and “Ousts” Guaidó (Wall Street Journal, 1/5/20) in the process.

The Washington Post (1/5/20) takes this hysteria to another level, hyperbolically proclaiming that “Venezuela’s Last Democratic Institution Falls as Maduro Attempts De Facto Takeover of National Assembly.”

Such headlines obscure the elementary if inconvenient fact that Guaidó failed to secure the necessary votes from his own coalition’s deputies to continue as president of the legislature, leading him to convene a parallel, ad hoc session in the offices of the right-wing El Nacional newspaper.

Serving up state propaganda

Corporate journalists repeat unceasingly the US State Department talking point that the January 5 assembly election, which chose Luis Parra as the legislative body’s new president, was “phony” because Guaidó and his loyalists were barred from attending the session, rendering the vote void.

“Venezuela’s socialist government installed a new head of Congress on Sunday after armed troops blocked opposition legislators from entering parliament,” Reuters (1/5/20) misinformed readers.

As Venezuelanalysis (1/5/20) reported, this narrative was refuted by pro-Guaidó lawmaker William Davila, who, after strolling in to the legislature, told press that with few exceptions, virtually all deputies were permitted to take their seats. Other senior opposition lawmakers, including the outgoing first and second vice presidents of the body, were visibly present inside the parliament.

Moreover, video evidence reveals that Guaidó was not himself “prevented,” as the New York Times (1/5/20) had it, from entering the legislature, but rather refused to do so except in the company of fellow lawmakers whose parliamentary immunity had been revoked for alleged criminal offenses. Likely knowing he did not have the votes to secure reelection, Guaidó appears to have declined to attend the session, going as far as to scale a fence in a publicity stunt widely reported by Western outlets that all but ignored the crucial facts behind the day’s events.

Corporate media followed up their lie that the pro-Guaidó opposition was banned from parliament with the dubious claim that the subsequent vote held in the offices of El Nacional was “official.” The Washington Post (1/5/20) matter-of-factly stated, “In a 100-to-0 tally — enough to put him over the top in a full session of the 167-seat chamber — those present reelected Guaidó as head of the legislature.” The reporters evidently neglected to inspect the actual vote tally, which contained glaring irregularities such as votes by legislators abroad fleeing criminal charges, as well as those cast by substitutes for deputies who had already voted for Parra. As even hard-right, Miami-based journalist Patricia Polea highlighted, Jose Regnault Hernandez, the substitute for newly sworn-in National Assembly Second Vice President Jose Gregorio Noriega, was allowed to vote for Guaidó despite Noriega having himself stood for election on a rival ticket earlier that afternoon.

It is also deeply ironic that Western outlets would rush to declare the legitimacy of an irregular vote held in the offices of a local newspaper, given the lengths they have gone to deny the existence of press freedom in Venezuela (FAIR.org, 5/20/19).

Why isn’t Guaidó in jail?

Procedural formalities aside, the real question, which corporate journalists will never ask, is why an opposition figure who arbitrarily declared himself “interim president” with the backing of hostile foreign powers, and who urged the military to rise up to install him in the presidential office, would be permitted to set foot outside a jail cell in Venezuela, let alone stand for reelection as head of parliament?

The answer would require admitting that this naked violation of sovereignty is only tolerated because of the constant threat of lawless imperial violence, which US corporate media enthusiastically cheerlead against other independent Global South states like Iran.

Instead, Western journalists continue to whitewash the US-sponsored coup–the sixth major attempt since 2002–impugning Maduro’s democratically elected government as “authoritarian” or a “dictatorship” (FAIR.org, 4/11/19;  8/5/19), which is newspeak for “legitimate target for bombing and/or murderous sanctions.”

Throwing to the wind any semblance of neutrality, the New York Times (1/5/20) reported:

Venezuela’s authoritarian leader, Nicolás Maduro, moved on Sunday to consolidate his grip on power by taking control of the country’s last independent institution and sidelining the lawmaker who had staked a rival claim to the presidency.

“The political chaos comes at a time when Venezuela is facing economic collapse,” the paper of record added, bolstering the rationale for Maduro’s overthrow. “Hunger is widespread, and millions have fled the country.”  Like most corporate media (FAIR.org, 6/26/19), the Times reflexively avoided mention of US economic sanctions’ role in severely exacerbating the crisis and killing tens of thousands since 2017, writing off the illegal, inhumane measures as “sanctions on Mr. Maduro’s government.”

For the corporate press, it would appear that the only “coup” is that perpetrated by Maduro in insisting on serving out his elected mandate (Washington Post, 1/6/20; Wall Street Journal, 1/6/20; Forbes, 1/7/20).

Concealing corruption

In their elegies to the “last democratic institution in the authoritarian South American state” (Washington Post, 1/5/20), Western journalists rarely attribute Guaidó any significant blame for the perceived debacle.

Despite acknowledging Guaidó’s falling popularity, following his utter failure to oust Maduro, mainstream outlets have turned a blind eye to the opposition leader’s string of humiliating scandals. Guaidó has been linked to Colombian paramilitary drug lords, while his inner circle has been accused of embezzling hundreds of thousands of dollars in aid funds, among other illicit acts.

The CBC (1/6/20) has never referred to Juan Guaido as a “would-be president.”

Tellingly, the only corruption allegations mentioned in the latest corporate coverage are those against Parra and his dissident opposition colleagues. Making little effort to conceal its bias, CBC (1/6/20) describes the new National Assembly president as “a previously unknown backbencher mired in accusations of bribe-taking,” whose “rambling comments” were challenged by journalists.

The double standard is striking, given that Western media have devoted strenuous efforts over the past year to anointing a “previously unknown backbencher” as president of Venezuela. The attacks on Parra comes amid threats of US sanctions against him and other opposition politicians who broke with Guaidó. The blatant imperial blackmail recalls similar US threats reportedly issued against opposition presidential candidate Henri Falcón, who defied the opposition’s 2018 electoral boycott that paved the way for the current coup efforts.

Corporate journalists’ discouragement over Guaidó’s failures (FAIR.org, 7/23/19) is becoming ever more pronounced (e.g., Reuters, 12/3/19; Washington Post, 12/17/19; New York Times, 1/6/20). But at the end of the day, they have simply invested too much in this smooth, technocratic figure to fundamentally fault him, let alone actually question the imperial regime-change machinery that produced him and his elite coterie.

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Venezuela's Maduro urges women to have six children

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Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro has urged women to have six children "for the good of the country".

Appearing at a televised event promoting a national women's healthcare plan, Mr Maduro instructed women to "give birth, give birth".

The country is facing an economic crisis which has resulted in severe food and medicine shortages.

Between 2013 and 2018, 13% of Venezuelan children were malnourished, says UN children's agency Unicef.

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One in three Venezuelans is struggling to put enough food on the table to meet minimum nutrition requirements, according to a study by the UN World Food Programme.

Amid the economic crisis, one charity said in 2018 that it had seen the number of babies abandoned in the streets or left at the entrances of public buildings increase by 70%.

That seems unwise

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BTW The diplomatic ties between Venezuela and Brazil have been severed after Bolsonaro called Maduro's government a dictatorship and Maduro called Bolsonaro a fascist.
They are both mostly right...
;) 

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It's about time!  Let's see if this gets these imbeciles and criminals out of power.

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11 minutes ago, The Z Machine said:

Maduro and a bunch of other high ranking officials just got charged with drug trafficking by Atty General Barr: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/nyregion/venezuela-president-drug-trafficking-nicolas-maduro.html

IIRC that's how they got Noriega. Of course IIRC we also had to go in to get Noriega.

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Just now, Slapdash said:

Reading more about his relatives already in jail is interesting :lol: 

Yeah, he' and his family are a real beacon of democratic hope in the world...

Oh wait, they're criminal nacro-trafficking kleptocrats?? No way! 

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2 minutes ago, The Z Machine said:

Yeah, he' and his family are a real beacon of democratic hope in the world...

Oh wait, they're criminal nacro-trafficking kleptocrats?? No way! 

They are supported by Russia so the bold does not matter to some

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This is incredible.  In the middle of a global pandemic, in which they can barely figure out how to give 2 cents to working people, or provide tests and protective equipment to hospital workers, they scrounge up $15 million dollars to overthrow another democratically elected leader.  They still make acquiring the oil in Venezuela a priority.  

The puppet they are trying to install, Juan Guaido, was pictured with Colombian drug traffickers.  A paramilitary cocaine outfit called the Rastrojos.  The CIA has been involved in the Latin American drug trade for decades.  The US obviously doesn't care about drug trafficking- if anything, they probably want to install Guaido because it'd give them a leg up on the Venezuelan drug trade.  

Meanwhile, US sanctions continue to murder innocent Venezuelans.  It's conceivable that sanctions themselves have moved Venezuela away from traditional financial systems and toward black markets.  This isn't intended as a defense of Maduro of course- but he's the legitimate leader in Venezuela.  This is a neoconservative regime change operation that will bring untold horror to Venezuela if it comes to pass.  

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Distract, distort, deflect. 

Face it, Maduro is a criminal and most Venezuelans know it.  You should wise up too.

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This failed coup attempt is really something.  The illegitimate self-proclaimed govt, run by Juan Guaido, signed a deal for an American PMC (Silvercorp) to overthrow Maduro.  Apparently the contractor was pissed after getting stiffed by Guaido so he released the contract. 

Silvercorp was hired originally by Richard Branson to run security for a Live Aid concert on the Venezuelan border- you might remember them offering trendy luxury packages to Venezuela's wealthy opposition supporters.  

The contract even calls for armed insurgents to be targeted for murder in the post-coup phase.  They were authorized to use drone strikes.  Maduro actually saved Guaido some money by merely capturing the coup plotters instead of killing them on the spot.  It's rare that you get to see an illegal terrorist plot laid out so clearly like this.  

Let's stop and think about this.  What would happen in this country, if an opposition leader inked a contract with a foreign military contractor to send in private mercenaries to overthrow the government?  What would a "dictator" do to that person?  They'd be tried for treason and probably get the death penalty here.  Lord knows what would happen to them if an actual dictator like MBS got a hold of him.  

I get that people want Maduro gone- me personally, I'd like to see the sanctions end and for Venezuela to be left to its own devices.  But I don't see how Guaido can be viewed as anything other than a functionary of the US' goals for a vassal state in Venezuela.  

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6 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

But I don't see how Guaido can be viewed as anything other than a functionary of the US' goals for a vassal state in Venezuela

Afaik, there is no proven connection between Guaido or the mercenaries and USG at this time.

Personally, I don't want a "vassal state" for Venezuela, but I'd like to see their people get access to food, medicine, and electricity.  Also, reforming the economy where actual growth can happen in various sectors and it's not solely dependent on oil revenues or narcotraffic would be good too.  Finally, a government that is duly (and fairly) elected and actually represents the people would be nice.

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