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packersfan
Footballguy
Green owner here too. Wish I could get Clay but not an option. He'd easily be the play for me if he was available. Been producing and matchup is great. My best options are:
Ryan Griffin - if CJ is out but I'm hearing he'll play so Griffin probably won't be an option.
Gresham - not crazy about him this week. Solid floor at least but don't see much upside.
Henry - Entirely TD dependent. Hasn't had more than 3 receptions in a game since Week 6. He could definitely score again this week (outstanding matchup) but if he doesn't he definitely will kill you. As a former Henry owner who cut him for Green I know what it's like to start this guy when he doesn't score.
Sims - Pretty much a carbon copy of Hunter Henry.
Jesse James - Last ditch option I guess.
Ryan Griffin - if CJ is out but I'm hearing he'll play so Griffin probably won't be an option.
Gresham - not crazy about him this week. Solid floor at least but don't see much upside.
Henry - Entirely TD dependent. Hasn't had more than 3 receptions in a game since Week 6. He could definitely score again this week (outstanding matchup) but if he doesn't he definitely will kill you. As a former Henry owner who cut him for Green I know what it's like to start this guy when he doesn't score.
Sims - Pretty much a carbon copy of Hunter Henry.
Jesse James - Last ditch option I guess.
As a Gates / Reed owner I am looking at all options as well. I cannot start Reed this week and tired of hearing about the record for Gates. If going to happen it starts this weekend and would hate to miss it.
But some options other than above:
Burton - Look at his targets past 3 weeks, 25 targets, multiple redone targets, 14 receptions
Cook - 8 targets last week
Hoping something shakes out with Griffin/CJ but might roll Gates or Burton
But some options other than above:
Burton - Look at his targets past 3 weeks, 25 targets, multiple redone targets, 14 receptions
Cook - 8 targets last week
Hoping something shakes out with Griffin/CJ but might roll Gates or Burton
smoker
Footballguy
packersfan
Footballguy
Fantasy Bum
Footballguy
I have L. Green as well. Just picked up Griffin and Clay off waivers. My opponent has Fiedorowicz.. If CJ can't go, then it's Griffin. Otherwise will go with Charles Clay.
jchapman70
Footballguy
I am in the same boat. I had Zach Miller most of the year and then boom...he goes on IR at the worst possible time. I have Gary Barnidge but don't love him. Started Henry last week and just picked up Cook, Sims and Celek (of the SF variety). I mean who is cap going to throw the ball to? Is there anyone left at WR or TE in SF? He may be a very very sneaky start at TE.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Only a few reliable ones left it appears to me.
I played Brate in one league and he performed well, can he do it again?
In another league Graham crapped out for two weeks straight. He just seems to stay home and block on 90% of his plays???
Would you play Brate over Graham now? I'm considering it.
I played Brate in one league and he performed well, can he do it again?
In another league Graham crapped out for two weeks straight. He just seems to stay home and block on 90% of his plays???
Would you play Brate over Graham now? I'm considering it.
packersfan
Footballguy
Oh I got something even ballsier than Celek ...
Daniel Brown.
Washington is the No. 1 TE matchup in fantasy this week.
You want ballsy? How about a guy who's coming off a 1-catch game, hasn't topped 42 yards in any of his games and only once had more than 4 targets in a game. There's your Week 16 ballsy TE play.
I'm so damn desperate without Green and needing some upside I'm seriously considering it.
Daniel Brown.
Washington is the No. 1 TE matchup in fantasy this week.
You want ballsy? How about a guy who's coming off a 1-catch game, hasn't topped 42 yards in any of his games and only once had more than 4 targets in a game. There's your Week 16 ballsy TE play.
I'm so damn desperate without Green and needing some upside I'm seriously considering it.
Damn man...that would take some balls for sure. I'm looking for 5 points at this point. Took 1.1 I think out of Reed last week so anything is better than that...you will be new hero if you go that route and it pays off.
packersfan
Footballguy
I just can't get past the fact none of the TEs I listed have any real upside. I've crossed Griffin off my list with CJ back practicing. Henry and Sims are so TD-dependent that yeah it's great if they score but if not I worry they'll sink me. Gresham's probably the safest guy I could target. Would probably get me a solid 5-7 points but tough matchup and I don't see any upside.
So here am I staring at Daniel Freaking Brown and wondering how big my balls really are.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Great thread. I have Ebron in but looking to upgrade. Trying to get Clay from waivers tonight. Think I'm also going for Griffin in case Fiedorowitz can't go.
Wow. Burton really should be considered here as well. Is this real? How is he getting so many targets. I thought Ertz was the guy in Philly.
Wow. Burton really should be considered here as well. Is this real? How is he getting so many targets. I thought Ertz was the guy in Philly.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Have Walker and will probably start him. Dropped Green and picked up Clay and Henry as options and to block my opponent who has Reed.
packersfan
Footballguy
Love the targets for Burton but 2 catches for 2 yards in Week 15 and a Thursday night game scaring me off him. He did put up 3-55-0 in the first game against the Giants, though, so yeah he probably should be in the mix here even as his team's No. 2 TE.
packersfan
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Wish I had Walker. Losing Gronk has made for a rough time at TE this season. I will continue to roll out bums.No offense but of course you should.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I dropped Ladarius as this is Super Bowl week and I don't see him playing. I have CJ Fiedorowicz and Dion Simms as my starters this week because Jordan Reed is also injured. The only other options are Jesse James (but playing Baltimore) and AJ Derby (in KC). I'm not buying into Trey Burton and Giants D has done well. Maybe Goff and the passing game can come to life against SF and Kendricks will get some action.
smoker
Footballguy
frigid5
Footballguy
I'm looking at him as well due to Eifert missing practice today. His small sample size with Griffin at QB isn't too encouraging though. I also just read that although he had 9 TDs last year he only has FOUR redzone targets this year.
jtd13
Footballguy
In a dynasty, I am picking between Sims, Celek, D. Brown, Gresham, and Griffin with Green out (and a couple other TEs on IR). Clay would be a slam dunk choice if he were available.
I picked up Griffin during waivers, but with CJF back I am actually leaning towards Brown, with Sims a close 2nd. Brown has been on the field as the full-time starter the last couple weeks, and Washington has been terrible at covering TEs of late.
I picked up Griffin during waivers, but with CJF back I am actually leaning towards Brown, with Sims a close 2nd. Brown has been on the field as the full-time starter the last couple weeks, and Washington has been terrible at covering TEs of late.
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You like Clay this week more than the other 'gems' on the WW? I could go with Clay, Henry, or Griffin (leaning against him with CJF back at practice)
packersfan
Footballguy
But it feels sooooooooooooo good.smoker said:
Seriously, I'm considering it and here's why.
I've listed all the other options I'm considering. None are clear standout options. All have flaws of some kind. Either they lack a high upside like Gresham or they could kill me if they don't score a TD like Henry and to a slightly lesser extent Sims. So if 5-6 points is not the possible, if not highly probable, outcome here what am I losing? Sure I guess Sims could wrack up another 2-TD game and that sure would suck but if people thought that was seriously possible he'd be viewed as a slam-dunk Top 10 TE play this week. Even if Henry scores again that usually means he gets closer to 9-10 points instead of 2-3. It's not like he's been dropping 15-20 point games on folks.
Every TE option comes with some warts of some kind or some reason why they're sitting on the WW in Week 16. Brown may be a completely ridiculous idea and I don't dispute the fact it's a HUGE reach. But there isn't a TE in fantasy with a better matchup this week. Washington is being killed by TEs and if Norman takes out Jeffery as expected then that could open up some targets for somebody else besides Meredith or Thompson or Howard/RBs.
I know I shouldn't do it. I know it's probably a really bad idea. But I keep looking at the available TEs and the points I'm going to lose without Green and I keep wondering what's stopping me from taking a shot. Two games ago, Brown did put up 10 points in PPR so it's not like he's been a complete bum. It's just that game is the clear outlier of his season production to date and not one that's been repeated.
jtd13
Footballguy
Slow work day... Here are total TE pt averages for the season, last 3, and last 5 games for a PPR league (pulled from RT, I just averaged). Currently sorted based on last 5 games average. I highlighted some of the options that have been discussed (or I considered).
Brown is looking awfully enticing, especially considering the tough draw for other full-time guys available in my league (Sims, Gresham, Celek).
Team
Season Avg
Avg Last 3
Avg Last 5
Wk 16
WAS
16.17
22.60
20.48
@CHI
DAL
15.58
12.47
17.62
DET
CAR
16.44
17.03
15.88
ATL
MIA
13.39
16.30
15.40
@BUF
NYJ
13.54
23.03
15.14
@NWE
ATL
15.36
15.57
14.92
@CAR
CIN
16.66
19.03
14.84
@HOU
BAL
10.94
14.43
14.78
@PIT
NYG
13.02
14.47
13.50
@PHI
CLE
17.73
15.07
13.34
SDG
NE
12.21
13.30
13.18
NYJ
OAK
13.41
11.37
13.08
IND
DET
16.48
12.13
12.54
@DAL
SD
11.68
12.70
11.90
@CLE
TB
11.74
9.20
11.84
@NOR
JAX
10.82
12.17
11.26
TEN
PIT
12.24
8.17
11.10
BAL
GB
13.69
9.80
10.58
MIN
IND
14.42
11.77
10.32
@OAK
LA
9.82
7.27
10.32
SFO
DEN
11.04
8.23
10.08
@KAN
NO
11.85
9.30
10.06
TAM
CHI
10.62
8.87
9.96
WAS
MIN
11.74
11.03
9.52
@GNB
SF
11.18
8.47
9.26
@LAR
SEA
9.61
4.77
9.06
ARI
BUF
10.54
9.03
8.34
MIA
TEN
12.61
10.20
7.80
@JAC
KC
8.23
8.80
7.70
DEN
HOU
8.92
7.53
7.48
CIN
PHI
6.89
6.43
7.36
NYG
ARI
5.86
8.37
6.98
@SEA
Brown is looking awfully enticing, especially considering the tough draw for other full-time guys available in my league (Sims, Gresham, Celek).
Team
Season Avg
Avg Last 3
Avg Last 5
Wk 16
WAS
16.17
22.60
20.48
@CHI
DAL
15.58
12.47
17.62
DET
CAR
16.44
17.03
15.88
ATL
MIA
13.39
16.30
15.40
@BUF
NYJ
13.54
23.03
15.14
@NWE
ATL
15.36
15.57
14.92
@CAR
CIN
16.66
19.03
14.84
@HOU
BAL
10.94
14.43
14.78
@PIT
NYG
13.02
14.47
13.50
@PHI
CLE
17.73
15.07
13.34
SDG
NE
12.21
13.30
13.18
NYJ
OAK
13.41
11.37
13.08
IND
DET
16.48
12.13
12.54
@DAL
SD
11.68
12.70
11.90
@CLE
TB
11.74
9.20
11.84
@NOR
JAX
10.82
12.17
11.26
TEN
PIT
12.24
8.17
11.10
BAL
GB
13.69
9.80
10.58
MIN
IND
14.42
11.77
10.32
@OAK
LA
9.82
7.27
10.32
SFO
DEN
11.04
8.23
10.08
@KAN
NO
11.85
9.30
10.06
TAM
CHI
10.62
8.87
9.96
WAS
MIN
11.74
11.03
9.52
@GNB
SF
11.18
8.47
9.26
@LAR
SEA
9.61
4.77
9.06
ARI
BUF
10.54
9.03
8.34
MIA
TEN
12.61
10.20
7.80
@JAC
KC
8.23
8.80
7.70
DEN
HOU
8.92
7.53
7.48
CIN
PHI
6.89
6.43
7.36
NYG
ARI
5.86
8.37
6.98
@SEA
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I am in the same boat as you are, Fariq. The best scenario is Reed sits and we start Davis. If Reed plays I don't see him being effective. He looked horrible last game. I am definitely worried about my TE situation this week and my waiver wire options are pitiful.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I sure thought Jimmy Graham and Tyler Eifert were bulletproof a few weeks back. Unfortunately I am seeing both ranked outside the top 12-15 this week so it's surprising to me that I am looking and reading this thread but all bets are off for Championship Week.
I hope nobody thinks it's nuts to consider some of the names you all are tossing around but Graham 2 duds in a row and I might flex Lockett, that's how bad it's been. Eifert seems to have a bad back. I think he wasn't practicing.
I hope nobody thinks it's nuts to consider some of the names you all are tossing around but Graham 2 duds in a row and I might flex Lockett, that's how bad it's been. Eifert seems to have a bad back. I think he wasn't practicing.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I've had TE troubles all year: Julius Thomas, Doyle, Rodgers, Zach Miller, Fiedorowicz, Doyle part II, etc.
Most of the guys mentioned previously were available. I went Clay. Recent success and Miami looks generous to tight ends. Hoping for a half-dozen points or more.
Most of the guys mentioned previously were available. I went Clay. Recent success and Miami looks generous to tight ends. Hoping for a half-dozen points or more.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
That's why I didn't pick him up. Different QB; different dynamic. Could still be great, so I can see why people would start him. I just didn't want to take the risk in week 16.
andyk803
Footballguy
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Sorry. In an earlier post I said I went with Clay. Good matchup and good recent success. Just hoping for the best, really.
rick6668
Footballguy
Picked up Griffin, but with CJ looking to play I am not so confident. Problem is my other choices are really not that good either.
Griffin, Doyle, Gresham, Tye......
Leaning towards Doyle, but Tye is tempting as I am starting Eli and I am an underdog. A Tye TD would be huge...
I'll need to make a decision on Tye tonight.
Griffin, Doyle, Gresham, Tye......
Leaning towards Doyle, but Tye is tempting as I am starting Eli and I am an underdog. A Tye TD would be huge...
I'll need to make a decision on Tye tonight.
Los Gigantes
Footballguy
I am in a similar boat. I have been struggling at TE all year. Drafted gates. Picked up Henry. Dropped gates when he was still hurt and Henry was emerging. Henry cooled off and I have been streaming since. Thought Ladarius Green was finally the answer...
now in the championship, - true 50/50 match up, am deciding between ebron, clay, and simms.
Ebron seems to have the the highest ceiling, but he also has a low floor and has completely disappeared for whole games and large stretches of games. For those of you saying clay is a slam dunk... why? He has been mediocre at best most of the year, although he has put together a good strong recently. Very few tds this year and in buffalo against a weak Miami rush defense, buffalo may not throw much. What do you guys see as being the game script for Mia @ buff? (Similarly I am deciding between tyrod Taylor and Matt Moore for my second Qb)
now in the championship, - true 50/50 match up, am deciding between ebron, clay, and simms.
Ebron seems to have the the highest ceiling, but he also has a low floor and has completely disappeared for whole games and large stretches of games. For those of you saying clay is a slam dunk... why? He has been mediocre at best most of the year, although he has put together a good strong recently. Very few tds this year and in buffalo against a weak Miami rush defense, buffalo may not throw much. What do you guys see as being the game script for Mia @ buff? (Similarly I am deciding between tyrod Taylor and Matt Moore for my second Qb)
Captain Crunk
Footballguy
I picked up CJ for insurance if Green doesn't play. Clay will be my next option if CJ doesn't play.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Great. Now I am questioning my Clay over Ebron decision. I like Ebron and he is ranking higher at most FF sites. However, as you pointed out, Ebron does disappear for large stretches of games. I assume that is to stay in and block. I have a feeling Ebron will be blocking more this week. It is just a feeling.
I like Clay due to the lack of other receiving options in Buffalo.
Los Gigantes
Footballguy
A potential tie breaker toward ebron: if you have no one else playing Monday night it keeps hope alive longer and gives you something to root for. Ebron also has tended to have bigger games on the road. Dallas is not great against tight ends.
On the the other hand, clay has just had his best two games of the season He seems to be doing better since Watkins came back and (clay) is now apparently fully healthy. Have his circumstances changed so he is a better start, or is starting clay after two good games chasing points?
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm about 95% in on Brown right now. The good news is it doesn't look like anyone else in my league will be making TE moves before Saturday so I can take some more time to analyze things further. Also, I doubt anyone in my league has Brown on their radar. Guessing it'll be guys like Henry, Gresham or Sims who will be picked up if any TE moves are made.
This is nuts.
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rick6668
Footballguy
Thanks for this. Combined with the info here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/fantasy-points-against-TE.htm for Fantasy Points per game allowed for the opponent.
I then weighted them both evenly.
Team
Season Avg
Avg Last 3
Avg Last 5
Wk 16
FantPt/Game
Overall Rank
WAS
16.17
22.6
20.48
@CHI
8.5
16.58
DAL
15.58
12.47
17.62
DET
9.3
15.55
CAR
16.44
17.03
15.88
ATL
11
15.53
ATL
15.36
15.57
14.92
@CAR
11
15.05
SD
11.68
12.7
11.9
@CLE
11.9
13.99
MIA
13.39
16.3
15.4
@BUF
6.9
13.24
BAL
10.94
14.43
14.78
@PIT
7.5
13.23
NYJ
13.54
23.03
15.14
@NWE
6.9
13.11
NE
12.21
13.3
13.18
NYJ
8.8
13.08
OAK
13.41
11.37
13.08
IND
8.6
12.93
DET
16.48
12.13
12.54
@DAL
8.6
12.66
CLE
17.73
15.07
13.34
SDG
7.4
12.46
CHI
10.62
8.87
9.96
WAS
9.8
11.97
CIN
16.66
19.03
14.84
@HOU
4.9
11.96
TB
11.74
9.2
11.84
@NOR
7.3
11.66
IND
14.42
11.77
10.32
@OAK
8.6
11.55
JAX
10.82
12.17
11.26
TEN
7
11.22
MIN
11.74
11.03
9.52
@GNB
8.3
11.00
NYG
13.02
14.47
13.5
@PHI
4.3
10.99
HOU
8.92
7.53
7.48
CIN
10.3
10.98
GB
13.69
9.8
10.58
MIN
7.1
10.93
BUF
10.54
9.03
8.34
MIA
8.7
10.61
LA
9.82
7.27
10.32
SFO
6.7
10.60
PIT
12.24
8.17
11.1
BAL
5.7
10.49
NO
11.85
9.3
10.06
TAM
6.7
10.47
DEN
11.04
8.23
10.08
@KAN
5.1
9.68
SF
11.18
8.47
9.26
@LAR
5.9
9.67
PHI
6.89
6.43
7.36
NYG
7.8
9.67
TEN
12.61
10.2
7.8
@JAC
6.5
9.24
KC
8.23
8.8
7.7
DEN
6
8.94
ARI
5.86
8.37
6.98
@SEA
5.5
8.33
SEA
9.61
4.77
9.06
ARI
3
8.12
With this info and my limited options, I am taking Tye out of the running. NYG have a decent number, but PHI doesn't allow many TE points.
Pitta looks like a decent option, the highest to what is available to me, but he's killed me the last 2 weeks. Brown looks good, just not sure if I could pull the trigger on that. Looks like I may pick up Doyle and drop Griffin if CJ looks to play.
