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31 minutes ago, Dr. Brew said:

False. His collar bone is not a serious issue. It's fine. It was broken, and it was a serious issue, but it is fine now. And his back issues are concerning but not serious. You guys had no problem having Urlacher play a more dangerous position with a more serious back injury for many years. 

I think Romo does come pretty cheap. I think he can be had for a 4-5th round pick. And he would come to Chicago because it's the perfect fit. Other than Houston, Chicago is the next best team that needs a QB but has players already in that offense that can succeed. 

Those saying Chicago's OL isn't a good idea for Romo. Sure 2016 line. But what is 2017's line going to look like? I would imagine better. I remember 2015 or maybe it was 14 where I made a comment in a Chicago thread about the OL not being good and someone came out and bragged about how awesome their OL was being completely remade. I would certainly hope Chicago would make some changes at OL and would be much better for 2017 if I'm a Bear's fan. 

Romo will likely to go Houston or Chicago because they rae teams that can be playoff contenders immediately with his presence. I don't think Houston does it because of Romo's contract; they just can't afford two QBs being paid like starters. So Chicago is the next best. I know you guys don't want him, obviously, but everything I'm hearing is pointing to Chicago for Romo. 

This is not the history I want for my new QB.

FRISCO, Texas -- Tony Romo is looking at his fourth straight season of missing at least one start as the Dallas Cowboys' quarterback.

Romo, 36, has started 16 games in four of his nine full seasons as the Cowboys' starter. He took over in Week 7 of the 2006 season and started 55 of the next 58 games. In 2011 and '12, he started every game as well.

In 2011, he suffered a broken rib and punctured lung against the San Francisco 49ers, but he did not miss a game.

Here is a look at Romo's injuries over the years that have forced him to miss games:

2008 -- Broken right pinkie finger. He missed three games that ultimately cost the Cowboys a chance at making the playoffs. They went 1-2 without Romo and lost a winner-take-all season finale at the Philadelphia Eagles. After that game, Romo collapsed in the shower because of a rib injury.

Entering this season Tony Romo had started 16 games in just four of his nine full seasons as the Dallas Cowboys' starter. Kirby Lee/USA TODAY Sports

2010 -- Broken left collarbone. He suffered the injury in the first half against the New York Giants when fullback Chris Gronkowski failed to pick up linebacker Michael Boley. Romo missed 10 games but was not placed on injured reserve until the second-to-last week of the season. The Cowboys went 5-5 in Romo's absence with Jon Kitna winning four times and Stephen McGee once.

2013 -- Ruptured disk. Romo missed a winner-take-all meeting in Week 17 against the Eagles after undergoing a discectomy two days before the game. Romo actually suffered the injury in a thrilling 24-23 win against the Washington Redskins in which he delivered the game-winning touchdown pass on fourth down. With Kyle Orton starting, the Cowboys lost to the Eagles 24-22.

2014 -- Two transverse process fractures. He missed the Nov. 2 meeting against the Arizona Cardinals after he was kneed in the back by Washington linebacker Keenan Robinson. He returned for the final two series after X-rays were negative. Brandon Weeden started against the Cardinals, and the Cowboys lost 28-17.

 

2015 -- Broken left collarbone. Romo suffered the injury in the second game of the season when he was sacked by Eagles linebacker Jordan Hicks, who landed on top of him in the third quarter. The Cowboys beat Philadelphia but lost the next seven games with Weeden and Matt Cassel as their starting quarterbacks.

2015 -- Broken left collarbone. In his second game back, Romo was knocked out on the final play of the third quarter, when he was sacked by Carolina Panthers linebacker Thomas Davis. While Romo's previous fractures had healed, he suffered a re-break in the healed portion. He missed the final five games of the season. The Cowboys won just once (at Washington) without Romo all season.

2016 -- Compression fracture, L1 vertebra. On the third play of Thursday's preseason game against the Seattle Seahawks, Romo was driven into the turf while sliding by defensive end Cliff Avril. After the game, Romo said he felt good and Jerry Jones said he expected Romo to be ready for the regular-season opener. Romo had an MRI on Friday, which showed the break. A source said he is looking at a 6-10 week recovery period. Rookie Dak Prescott will start in Romo's absence.

 

I will admit that Romo is better than Cutler but that's not saying a whole lot.  I'm not sure I agree with people saying he's MUCH better.  I just don't see a whole lot of benefits for the Bears to get Romo.

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18 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

As long as Fox is taking questions then you are 100% correct.  I'd rather only hear from Pace and Fangio.

Apparently Pace either doesn't have the guts to do that or he's being forced to do it. 

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14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

2008 -- Broken right pinkie finger - not an issue. Many QBs break fingers. WRs too

2010 -- Broken left collarbone.  - see below

2013 -- Ruptured disk. - honestly not a big deal

2014 -- Two transverse process fractures. - healed

2015 -- Broken left collarbone. - see comments below outside of quote

2015 -- Broken left collarbone. - the only reason this broke again is because he was rushed back

2016 -- Compression fracture, L1 vertebra. - not a huge issue depending on some factors

See my remarks above.

The only thing that stands out is his broken collar bones because he was rushed back in 2015 and it was not healed. I can dig up my remarks about Rodgers' collar bone when he broke his and how I did not think it was wise for him to rush back. For this very reason. The fact that he did this 2 separate years is coincidental or possibly how he falls to the ground. Some people know how to fall better than others. Favre was great at knowing how to fall. 

Ulracher had a spinal fusion. That is much much worse than anything that Romo has above. He played for 2-3 seasons with this with Chicago. And did quite well. 

His collar bone is a concern because it was fractured twice in one year, but he's had ample healing time. I would not be concerned about it unless he had osteoporosis or did not have it healed. Which I'm sure it's been x-rayed a million times... 

 

Yes, it's a riddled history. Romo is not known for being healthy, but I would take that injury history over Cutler's. Guy pulls a vulva muscle and he's out for 4 weeks. Remember when he faked a knee injury and quit on the team? at least Romo's breaks, fractures, and ruptures are legitimate. 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Brew said:

False. His collar bone is not a serious issue. It's fine. It was broken, and it was a serious issue, but it is fine now. And his back issues are concerning but not serious. You guys had no problem having Urlacher play a more dangerous position with a more serious back injury for many years. 

I think Romo does come pretty cheap. I think he can be had for a 4-5th round pick. And he would come to Chicago because it's the perfect fit. Other than Houston, Chicago is the next best team that needs a QB but has players already in that offense that can succeed. 

Those saying Chicago's OL isn't a good idea for Romo. Sure 2016 line. But what is 2017's line going to look like? I would imagine better. I remember 2015 or maybe it was 14 where I made a comment in a Chicago thread about the OL not being good and someone came out and bragged about how awesome their OL was being completely remade. I would certainly hope Chicago would make some changes at OL and would be much better for 2017 if I'm a Bear's fan. 

Romo will likely to go Houston or Chicago because they rae teams that can be playoff contenders immediately with his presence. I don't think Houston does it because of Romo's contract; they just can't afford two QBs being paid like starters. So Chicago is the next best. I know you guys don't want him, obviously, but everything I'm hearing is pointing to Chicago for Romo. 

Do what??

No way Cowboys get rid of a "win now" calibre QB for a 4th or 5th. He doesn't cost them that much more to keep, and if Bradford brought a first as bad as he is, no way Romo brings less than an early second, and I would bet it ends up being a first through some trade combination. 

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14 minutes ago, Dr. Brew said:

See my remarks above.

The only thing that stands out is his broken collar bones because he was rushed back in 2015 and it was not healed. I can dig up my remarks about Rodgers' collar bone when he broke his and how I did not think it was wise for him to rush back. For this very reason. The fact that he did this 2 separate years is coincidental or possibly how he falls to the ground. Some people know how to fall better than others. Favre was great at knowing how to fall. 

Ulracher had a spinal fusion. That is much much worse than anything that Romo has above. He played for 2-3 seasons with this with Chicago. And did quite well. 

His collar bone is a concern because it was fractured twice in one year, but he's had ample healing time. I would not be concerned about it unless he had osteoporosis or did not have it healed. Which I'm sure it's been x-rayed a million times... 

 

Yes, it's a riddled history. Romo is not known for being healthy, but I would take that injury history over Cutler's. Guy pulls a vulva muscle and he's out for 4 weeks. Remember when he faked a knee injury and quit on the team? at least Romo's breaks, fractures, and ruptures are legitimate. 

Please don't talk to me like you know the Bear's history.  I've always liked Cutler and respected his talent but I'm ready to be done with the Cutler era like most Bear's fans.  Don't take this as me being a Cutler homer but you are up your a** if you honestly believe Cutler faked a knee injury in the playoffs.  He had a legit MCL sprain.  I've sprained my MCL before and it sucks.  There are a lot of negative things said about Cutler, even in the locker room, but I have yet to hear one player or coach say he's quit the team.  He's considered to be one of the toughest players on the team.

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1 minute ago, G-King said:

Do what??

No way Cowboys get rid of a "win now" calibre QB for a 4th or 5th. He doesn't cost them that much more to keep, and if Bradford brought a first as bad as he is, no way Romo brings less than an early second, and I would bet it ends up being a first through some trade combination. 

No one is giving up a second round pick for a 37 year old, injury prone QB.  Bradford has a bad injury history too but at least he has age on his side.

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Are they going to franchise Alshon again? Why would he sign a long term deal with a rebuilding franchise? 

 

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1 minute ago, Grahamburn said:

Are they going to franchise Alshon again? Why would he sign a long term deal with a rebuilding franchise? 

 

Money

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23 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:
26 minutes ago, G-King said:

Do what??

No way Cowboys get rid of a "win now" calibre QB for a 4th or 5th. He doesn't cost them that much more to keep, and if Bradford brought a first as bad as he is, no way Romo brings less than an early second, and I would bet it ends up being a first through some trade combination. 

No one is giving up a second round pick for a 37 year old, injury prone QB.  Bradford has a bad injury history too but at least he has age on his side.

Two reasons:
1. Market. There isn't a big market for a 37 year old QB who just sat an entire season behind a rookie. Vikings were desperate for a QB the week before the season started when they were in a "win now" season. I laughed out loud when I heard what the Vikings gave up. It was a joke.  
2. Cowboys don't need him. He's quiet now, sure, being the team player he needs to be. But I can bet you once their season is over and the dust has settled he's saying "Trade me"
 

Vikings got a QB they can have for 10 years if they wanted. Romo isn't going to play more than 1-2 more quality seasons. That has value. And it's not a second or first round pick. 

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27 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Please don't talk to me like you know the Bear's history.  I've always liked Cutler and respected his talent but I'm ready to be done with the Cutler era like most Bear's fans.  Don't take this as me being a Cutler homer but you are up your a** if you honestly believe Cutler faked a knee injury in the playoffs.  He had a legit MCL sprain.  I've sprained my MCL before and it sucks.  There are a lot of negative things said about Cutler, even in the locker room, but I have yet to hear one player or coach say he's quit the team.  He's considered to be one of the toughest players on the team.

He looked fine walking his dog the next morning. Just saying. I've seen and treated MCL injuries. Those patients don't move like he did

The guy sits out more than any other player in the league for little injuries. His finger hurts. His knee is sore. His feelings are hurt. I'd rather have a QB who wants to play rather than a QB who is playing until he can get hurt again. To each their own. I guess that's why Chicago is where they are... that kind of behavior is tolerated and is okay. If he's the toughest player on the team then I'm with Flapper here: franchise doomed

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Just now, Dr. Brew said:

He looked fine walking his dog the next morning. Just saying. I've seen and treated MCL injuries. Those patients don't move like he did

The guy sits out more than any other player in the league for little injuries. His finger hurts. His knee is sore. His feelings are hurt. I'd rather have a QB who wants to play rather than a QB who is playing until he can get hurt again. To each their own. I guess that's why Chicago is where they are... that kind of behavior is tolerated and is okay. If he's the toughest player on the team then I'm with Flapper here: franchise doomed

I honestly don't think he's the toughest player on the team but he is known as one of the tougher players in the locker room. You act as if his injuries were made up because he didn't want to play.  He had surgery on his throwing hand thumb, that's a good reason not to play.  As for him not coming back sooner, that had more to do with their stupid coaching staff than Cutler.

None of this matters anyway.  Cutler's time is pretty much up it seems.  They can keep him if they want or let him go, doesn't really matter and the Bears have the advantage there.  They need to get some younger competition at that position and adding an older even more injury prone QB doesn't solve any problems.

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31 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I honestly don't think he's the toughest player on the team but he is known as one of the tougher players in the locker room. You act as if his injuries were made up because he didn't want to play.  He had surgery on his throwing hand thumb, that's a good reason not to play.  As for him not coming back sooner, that had more to do with their stupid coaching staff than Cutler.

None of this matters anyway.  Cutler's time is pretty much up it seems.  They can keep him if they want or let him go, doesn't really matter and the Bears have the advantage there.  They need to get some younger competition at that position and adding an older even more injury prone QB doesn't solve any problems.

I'm a Bears fan, and I am so ready for the Bears to move on from Jay Cutler. If the Bears retain him for some crazy reason I'm going to be so depressed.

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Just now, RotoLibrarian said:

I'm a Bears fan, and I am so ready for the Bears to move on from Jay Cutler. If the Bears retain him for some crazy reason I'm going to be so depressed.

I'm on board with moving on from him but I see no issues with keeping him.  The Bears still need a starter next year and it better not be a rookie.  It's either got to be Cutler, Hoyer, Barkley or a FA they bring in.  None of them are going to be a long term solution so it doesn't matter all that much.

I guess I just prefer a guy than can really help with rookie development.  My gut tells me Cutler is gone and Hoyer is the starter next year with Barkley as the back up and a Rookie developing.

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1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Please don't talk to me like you know the Bear's history.  I've always liked Cutler and respected his talent but I'm ready to be done with the Cutler era like most Bear's fans.  Don't take this as me being a Cutler homer but you are up your a** if you honestly believe Cutler faked a knee injury in the playoffs.  He had a legit MCL sprain.  I've sprained my MCL before and it sucks.  There are a lot of negative things said about Cutler, even in the locker room, but I have yet to hear one player or coach say he's quit the team.  He's considered to be one of the toughest players on the team.

I've always wanted to like Cutler.  He's got a great arm......but as an NFL QB he stinks....he's proved that time and time again.

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Just now, Manster said:

I've always wanted to like Cutler.  He's got a great arm......but as an NFL QB he stinks....he's proved that time and time again.

I agree.  For some reason he just can't get past the things that have set him back year after year.  He'll be a starter on another team though.

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1 hour ago, Grahamburn said:

Are they going to franchise Alshon again? Why would he sign a long term deal with a rebuilding franchise? 

 

If they believe in Meredith and think White can play, then no. My guess is they let him walk partially because of the 4 game suspension he had. One more and it's 10 games I believe.

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2 hours ago, Dr. Brew said:

See my remarks above.

The only thing that stands out is his broken collar bones because he was rushed back in 2015 and it was not healed. I can dig up my remarks about Rodgers' collar bone when he broke his and how I did not think it was wise for him to rush back. For this very reason. The fact that he did this 2 separate years is coincidental or possibly how he falls to the ground. Some people know how to fall better than others. Favre was great at knowing how to fall. 

Ulracher had a spinal fusion. That is much much worse than anything that Romo has above. He played for 2-3 seasons with this with Chicago. And did quite well. 

His collar bone is a concern because it was fractured twice in one year, but he's had ample healing time. I would not be concerned about it unless he had osteoporosis or did not have it healed. Which I'm sure it's been x-rayed a million times... 

 

Yes, it's a riddled history. Romo is not known for being healthy, but I would take that injury history over Cutler's. Guy pulls a vulva muscle and he's out for 4 weeks. Remember when he faked a knee injury and quit on the team? at least Romo's breaks, fractures, and ruptures are legitimate. 

Busting out the pudendum card.  I liiiike it.

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1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Please don't talk to me like you know the Bear's history.  I've always liked Cutler and respected his talent but I'm ready to be done with the Cutler era like most Bear's fans.  Don't take this as me being a Cutler homer but you are up your a** if you honestly believe Cutler faked a knee injury in the playoffs.  He had a legit MCL sprain.  I've sprained my MCL before and it sucks.  There are a lot of negative things said about Cutler, even in the locker room, but I have yet to hear one player or coach say he's quit the team.  He's considered to be one of the toughest players on the team.

Problem identified. Solution in the works.

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11 minutes ago, lod001 said:

If they believe in Meredith and think White can play, then no. My guess is they let him walk partially because of the 4 game suspension he had. One more and it's 10 games I believe.

Hard to rely on a guy who's only played 4 career games and another guy who was a college QB who should only be a WR3.

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1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Money

The salary cap is what it is. As of now several teams have more space than Chicago. Doesn't strike me as a wise decision for them to sign him to a long term deal nor does it seem like it would be in the best interest of the player if he wants to win  

But, that's coming from a Bucs' fan hoping he comes to my team. 

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2 minutes ago, Grahamburn said:

The salary cap is what it is. As of now several teams have more space than Chicago. Doesn't strike me as a wise decision for them to sign him to a long term deal nor does it seem like it would be in the best interest of the player if he wants to win  

But, that's coming from a Bucs' fan hoping he comes to my team. 

I believe the Bears are in the top 6 for cap space available.  They have plenty of money to offer Jeffery in a long term deal.

Edit:  I just looked at the current cap rankings and see the Bears are 13th.  I could have swore I read they were up towards the top with most cap available.  Maybe it was that they'll have more after this season.

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1 hour ago, RotoLibrarian said:

I'm a Bears fan, and I am so ready for the Bears to move on from Jay Cutler. If the Bears retain him for some crazy reason I'm going to be so depressed.

You should be more depressed that they're keeping Fox and loggains 

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13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I believe the Bears are in the top 6 for cap space available.  They have plenty of money to offer Jeffery in a long term deal.

Edit:  I just looked at the current cap rankings and see the Bears are 13th.  I could have swore I read they were up towards the top with most cap available.  Maybe it was that they'll have more after this season.

After releasing a couple guys they will definitely release,  they'll be in top 5.  Releasing Houston,  Cutler, Royal,  and Porter will free up 28 million. 

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Just now, flapgreen said:

After releasing a couple guys they will definitely release,  they'll be in top 5

I must have been thinking of it that way.  I know they are going to have plenty of money to spend this year.  Pace even said during the presser that they were going to be aggressive and that they had the cap room.

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16 minutes ago, Grahamburn said:

The salary cap is what it is. As of now several teams have more space than Chicago. Doesn't strike me as a wise decision for them to sign him to a long term deal nor does it seem like it would be in the best interest of the player if he wants to win  

But, that's coming from a Bucs' fan hoping he comes to my team. 

You talking about Alshon?  Bears are loaded with cap space and he's the only one of their own guys left to sign.  

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39 minutes ago, lod001 said:

If they believe in Meredith and think White can play, then no. My guess is they let him walk partially because of the 4 game suspension he had. One more and it's 10 games I believe.

Wrong 

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It's a really sad state of affairs,  but I knew how the press conference would be.  Keeping the staff intact in the worst season in franchise history.  Way to go,  Bears.  Years of failure ahead but ownership will still be raking in the cash.  Good for them. 

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Fox dumb as a rock and doing his usual thing and defending the ignorance of Loggains and his pitiful game plans.  Pace defending Loggains and Ragone saying they did a great job at developing Barkley. ???  Do they even watch the games? No problem with the 50 turnovers Barkley had? Smh

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Fired OL and safeties coach. :lmao: Great fall guys.  That'll make a difference.  Never mind how well Magazu had Whitehair playing and the two tackles at an acceptable level by the end of the season.  Smh.  We all see through your charade,  Pace and Fox.  Not that it matters. 

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Two long-time John Fox disciples, offensive line coach Dave Magazu and assistant defensive backs coach Sam Garnes, were fired Wednesday

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1 hour ago, flapgreen said:

Fired OL and safeties coach. :lmao: Great fall guys.  That'll make a difference.  Never mind how well Magazu had Whitehair playing and the two tackles at an acceptable level by the end of the season.  Smh.  We all see through your charade,  Pace and Fox.  Not that it matters. 

Apparently the OL players didn't like him as a coach and actually were getting more instruction and development from other coaches.  Magazu was a long time Fox coach and the team decided to let him go.  I really doubt that Fox wanted him gone since they've been together for 14 years.  I think this is more of the front office letting Fox know that they are assuming more control, at least I hope that's it.

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As you have said,  the ol actually improved by the end of the season.  But they fire him and not Loggains.  So dumb and predictable by Bears. 

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7 minutes ago, flapgreen said:

As you have said,  the ol actually improved by the end of the season.  But they fire him and not Loggains.  So dumb and predictable by Bears. 

But like I said, I'm not so sure Magazu was the one responsible for the improvement of the OL.  I think they are sticking with the guys that truly were the difference makers and I think Mawae is one of them.  I'm not really sure why they are sticking with Loggains but they need to strongly consider hiring McCoy to the staff.

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1 hour ago, flapgreen said:

It's a really sad state of affairs,  but I knew how the press conference would be.  Keeping the staff intact in the worst season in franchise history.  Way to go,  Bears.  Years of failure ahead but ownership will still be raking in the cash.  Good for them. 

If the above is the case why would he want to stay?

1 hour ago, flapgreen said:

You talking about Alshon?  Bears are loaded with cap space and he's the only one of their own guys left to sign.  

 

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1 minute ago, Grahamburn said:

If the above is the case why would he want to stay?

 

Like I said earlier, money.  There have been plenty of players over the years who have said how tired they are being on a team and want to leave and then suddenly you see them sign a huge contract.  It all comes down to money most of the time.  I have no idea what's going to happen with Jeffery yet at this time though.

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2 hours ago, flapgreen said:

You should be more depressed that they're keeping Fox and loggains 

Yes, this already had me depressed. Keeping Jay would be the final nail in the coffin. 

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I've always been a big Jay defender but it's time to go for both sides. 

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1 hour ago, Grahamburn said:

If the above is the case why would he want to stay?

 

Look back over the years.  How many players have passed up big money from their current team so they can go somewhere else and win?  It doesn't happen.  Alshon has an opportunity to get his first big contract with the team that drafted him and not uproot and move somewhere else. 

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So Fox said "QB inconsistency"  is the reason the  RBs didn't have more carries.  Huh?!?! 

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In the last 25 seasons, the Bears have finished under .500 15 times. 15!! The Browns have 19. That's how bad it's been.

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