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13 minutes ago, need2know said:

Flap and others kinda quiet in here tonight.  Don't blame them.  Good games bears

I think the 2 teams were basically equal.  Came down to a kicker.  Even a bad kicker makes that 80% of the time.  Sucks to be a Bears fan.  Great to be an Eagles fan.  

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Great game fellas, you have a lot to be excited about with that D and Mitch showed some promise second half in his first playoff game. 

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Good to see there are some classy PHI fans around here.

Ultimately, 31 out of 32 teams all wind up being losers.  Our turn came up a bit earlier than we hoped.  We were picked to be dead last and surprised a lot of people and teams.

Good experience for the future.  We’ll be back and better because of it.  Nagy is a way better coach than we’ve had in decades.  It took Ditka four years to get a ring.

Now we just have to see what Vic does.  Filling his shoes will be hard to do.

I’ll be rooting for the Chiefs, Rams and anyone playing the Pats.

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Feel for you Bears fans. You've got a lot to be proud of and importantly, a lot to look forward to. Hang in there. It was a bad beat. Plain and simple. The game could have very easily gone the other way. And congrats to Eagles fans. They did what they had to do. 

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Just rewatched the damn kick like 3-4 times, to torture myself I guess. I think the tip actually gave the ball, which was going hard left, a chance to slow down and actually hit the upright. As if we needed more bitter irony. 

Hope Flap is ok. Don't think he's chimed in. 

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Really wish Parkey was better, he’s a nice kid, owned up and said all the right things.

Trub just has to stop rambling when answering questions.

Nagy had some good reflections.

Hicks was steamed.

Mack was smooth and seemingly unfazed.

Robinson was optimistic.

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10 minutes ago, RBM said:

Just rewatched the damn kick like 3-4 times, to torture myself I guess. I think the tip actually gave the ball, which was going hard left, a chance to slow down and actually hit the upright. As if we needed more bitter irony. 

Hope Flap is ok. Don't think he's chimed in. 

i'm definitely worried by more than a few of my co-workers, lol.

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10 hours ago, pbandy1 said:

agreed. Parkey needs to be gone, there is a reason he has been on mulitple teams. However, the loss is not on him. Offense was basically #### the first half and had lots of 3 and outs, Cohen got 4 damn touches, and defense could not shut down the Eagles in the end

The run game was getting shut down and that really hurt.  I would have liked to see Cohen get the ball in space but they never did.  Those passes to him behind the line of scrimmage are not very productive when they're keying on him.  I give the Eagles a ton of credit for playing great defense.

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Tough loss for the Bears, but I'm thankful I don't have to listen to more garbage from @flapgreen trying to talk **!* to me for believing Pace prematurely pushed all his chips in. I told him that the true burn of that overpay wasn't going to be felt for 3 years, but he loved trying to drag me back in after every win to talk smack during year 1. I guess we can call a round 1 loss (to a 9-7 team with a backup QB and no RB) karma.

For those who aren't familiar with flap's constant baiting, I've got nothing against the Bears. Just didn't like Pace's trade for the team's long term outlook. Best of luck to you guys. I'm jealous of any team that doesn't have an idiot for a coach

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1 minute ago, FF Ninja said:

Tough loss for the Bears, but I'm thankful I don't have to listen to more garbage from @flapgreen trying to talk **!* to me for believing Pace prematurely pushed all his chips in. I told him that the true burn of that overpay wasn't going to be felt for 3 years, but he loved trying to drag me back in after every win to talk smack during year 1. I guess we can call a round 1 loss (to a 9-7 team with a backup QB and no RB) karma.

For those who aren't familiar with flap's constant baiting, I've got nothing against the Bears. Just didn't like Pace's trade for the team's long term outlook. Best of luck to you guys. I'm jealous of any team that doesn't have an idiot for a coach

Seriously?

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Seriously?

Yeah, I told him if he kept @-ing me for no reason, I'd @ him when the time came.

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Just now, FF Ninja said:

Yeah, I told him if he kept @-ing me for no reason, I'd @ him when the time came.

I have no problem with you sticking it to flap because he kind of deserves it but I don't agree with the rest of what you said about the team.

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I wonder is Flap was arrested for making threats towards Parkey?

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I have no problem with you sticking it to flap because he kind of deserves it but I don't agree with the rest of what you said about the team.

I came to discuss the trade (because it was an interesting blockbuster) and he basically told me I didn't know what I was talking about, Pace is a genius, and leave the thread. I left bc I had nothing left to talk about and he just kept @-ing me in here.

To clarify, the idiot coach comment was not about your coach, but mine. If you are talking about the trade, I don't think it is controversial to say that trading away a 2019 and 2020 1st won't really be felt until the 2021 season. Also, Mack will be 30 at that time and Trubisky will be nearing the end of his rookie deal. 

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6 minutes ago, FF Ninja said:

I came to discuss the trade (because it was an interesting blockbuster) and he basically told me I didn't know what I was talking about, Pace is a genius, and leave the thread. I left bc I had nothing left to talk about and he just kept @-ing me in here.

To clarify, the idiot coach comment was not about your coach, but mine. If you are talking about the trade, I don't think it is controversial to say that trading away a 2019 and 2020 1st won't really be felt until the 2021 season. Also, Mack will be 30 at that time and Trubisky will be nearing the end of his rookie deal. 

A lot can change by then.  The team is so much younger than they use to be and they have a great core.  This team is in such a better position than they ever were before.

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28 minutes ago, FF Ninja said:

Tough loss for the Bears, but I'm thankful I don't have to listen to more garbage from @flapgreen trying to talk **!* to me for believing Pace prematurely pushed all his chips in. I told him that the true burn of that overpay wasn't going to be felt for 3 years, but he loved trying to drag me back in after every win to talk smack during year 1. I guess we can call a round 1 loss (to a 9-7 team with a backup QB and no RB) karma.

For those who aren't familiar with flap's constant baiting, I've got nothing against the Bears. Just didn't like Pace's trade for the team's long term outlook. Best of luck to you guys. I'm jealous of any team that doesn't have an idiot for a coach

If you think that game yesterday justifies your awful and almost definitely wrong take you're a bigger fool than you've already shown. 

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

A lot can change by then.  The team is so much younger than they use to be and they have a great core.  This team is in such a better position than they ever were before.

Do you think Trubisky is the truth? Even if you do today, did you think he was after year 1? I don't see how anyone could have. I felt (and still do) that Pace should've seen how year 2 went before pushing in all his chips. 

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Just now, RBM said:

If you think that game yesterday justifies your awful and almost definitely wrong take you're a bigger fool than you've already shown. 

:rolleyes: As I keep saying, I think the bind Pace will be in after 3 years will justify my take. My take was never based on year 1 performance. I think we all recognized (or should have) when you trade away two 1sts, you're giving your team a nice boost in year 1 of a trade at the expense of the future.

If you read what I wrote and thought I was saying a single game justified my take, then there's only one fool here and it isn't me. I don't actually believe in karma, but I was saying a tough loss for flapgreen was karma for constantly baiting me back into this thread after he told me to leave and I left.

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4 minutes ago, FF Ninja said:

Do you think Trubisky is the truth? Even if you do today, did you think he was after year 1? I don't see how anyone could have. I felt (and still do) that Pace should've seen how year 2 went before pushing in all his chips. 

I don't think I could call any player the truth after a partial season.  I can't call him that after two season but I do feel a lot better about him.  I see potential.  I know he may never be great but I also think there's a chance.  He's the best QB they've had in a very long time, which isn't saying much.

I'm sure there were plenty of players who some believed were the truth but went on to be busts or just above average.  I was impressed with Mitch being able to put the Bears in a position to win last night in the final minutes of the game.

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3 minutes ago, FF Ninja said:

:rolleyes: As I keep saying, I think the bind Pace will be in after 3 years will justify my take. My take was never based on year 1 performance. I think we all recognized (or should have) when you trade away two 1sts, you're giving your team a nice boost in year 1 of a trade at the expense of the future.

If you read what I wrote and thought I was saying a single game justified my take, then there's only one fool here and it isn't me. I don't actually believe in karma, but I was saying a tough loss for flapgreen was karma for constantly baiting me back into this thread after he told me to leave and I left.

I think two firsts looks extreme on paper, but if you look at it in a different way, I believe the trade was an absolute coup.

With any first round draft choice, you would be thrilled to get a player like Mack in his prime.  Well, the Bears spent a first round pick to do that (2019).

The 2020 pick figures to be a low first round pick.  The Bears received the Raiders' 2020 second round pick, which figures to be a high one.  So you could be looking at a swap of between 5-10 spots, depending how things pan out after 2019.

To say the Bears "drafted" Mack with a first round pick and only had to give up 5-10 draft slots to do it?  I believe anyone would take that deal.

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3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't think I could call any player the truth after a partial season.  I can't call him that after two season but I do feel a lot better about him.  I see potential.  I know he may never be great but I also think there's a chance.  He's the best QB they've had in a very long time, which isn't saying much.

I'm sure there were plenty of players who some believed were the truth but went on to be busts or just above average.  I was impressed with Mitch being able to put the Bears in a position to win last night in the final minutes of the game.

I agree.

However, trading two firsts for the right to pay Khalil Mack a handsome salary is the kind of move you expect a team to make when they know their QB is indeed legit but the window is closing. Like I'd understand if the Chargers or Saints did it. But at least give Nagy a year to get his system in place before pushing in all your chips. Don't do it in year 1 of Nagy's tenure and year 2 of Trubisky's career.

2 minutes ago, rschroeder1 said:

I think two firsts looks extreme on paper, but if you look at it in a different way, I believe the trade was an absolute coup.

With any first round draft choice, you would be thrilled to get a player like Mack in his prime.  Well, the Bears spent a first round pick to do that (2019).

The 2020 pick figures to be a low first round pick.  The Bears received the Raiders' 2020 second round pick, which figures to be a high one.  So you could be looking at a swap of between 5-10 spots, depending how things pan out after 2019.

To say the Bears "drafted" Mack with a first round pick and only had to give up 5-10 draft slots to do it?  I believe anyone would take that deal.

I tried to bring this up in the offseason discussion of the trade... too many people are looking at it the way you just mentioned. The flaw in that logic is that you are totally missing the salary cap implications. Mack's contract is $23.5M/year. Baker Mayfield's 1.01 contract is $8M/year. Calvin Ridley (1.26) is $2.7M/year. Draft picks are important because of the manageable contracts, not because of guaranteed talent. First round picks just have better odds of hitting, which combined with their contracts, is why they are so valuable. 

As for 2020, a lot can change by then so I wouldn't count on the difference being so small. The Raiders look like an absolute **** show, so you could be right, but they've been amassing a lot of picks with all these trades. I don't have faith they'll do a good job with those picks, but if they do, this could be a very different team as early as Gruden's second year. And going back to the earlier part of this discussion, the big difference between a 1st and a 2nd, is that the 1st has a 5th year option which is much more cap friendly than trying to sign a (successful) 2nd round pick to an unrestricted FA contract.

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15 minutes ago, FF Ninja said:

I agree.

However, trading two firsts for the right to pay Khalil Mack a handsome salary is the kind of move you expect a team to make when they know their QB is indeed legit but the window is closing. Like I'd understand if the Chargers or Saints did it. But at least give Nagy a year to get his system in place before pushing in all your chips. Don't do it in year 1 of Nagy's tenure and year 2 of Trubisky's career.

I tried to bring this up in the offseason discussion of the trade... too many people are looking at it the way you just mentioned. The flaw in that logic is that you are totally missing the salary cap implications. Mack's contract is $23.5M/year. Baker Mayfield's 1.01 contract is $8M/year. Calvin Ridley (1.26) is $2.7M/year. Draft picks are important because of the manageable contracts, not because of guaranteed talent. First round picks just have better odds of hitting, which combined with their contracts, is why they are so valuable. 

As for 2020, a lot can change by then so I wouldn't count on the difference being so small. The Raiders look like an absolute **** show, so you could be right, but they've been amassing a lot of picks with all these trades. I don't have faith they'll do a good job with those picks, but if they do, this could be a very different team as early as Gruden's second year. And going back to the earlier part of this discussion, the big difference between a 1st and a 2nd, is that the 1st has a 5th year option which is much more cap friendly than trying to sign a (successful) 2nd round pick to an unrestricted FA contract.

You are correct in pointing out that my thinking is based on assumptions.  I believe the assumptions I'm making have some weight, but this is the NFL, and things can change in an instant.  That's totally fair.

As for waiting to see if Trubisky is legit, I understand what you are trying to say, but I feel like you contradict yourself in your next paragraph in discussing rookie contracts.  The Bears have five years of cheap Trubisky - going into this year, there were four left.  There is only so much waiting you can do before the window of cheap QB play is closed, presuming Trubisky is the answer.  In my opinion, the way the NFL incentivizes the role of young players on a team, if a team goes the route of drafting a QB, it's incumbent on them to go for it during that window.

Of course, the larger point here with the Bears is that the franchise has struggled with getting all its ducks in a row.  Drafting Trubisky and wasting year one of five with John Fox was egregious.  I'm thrilled with Nagy as a head coach, so maybe things will luck out in that regard, but the seeming lack of authority the Bears have placed in Ryan Pace at points in his tenure have hampered the Bears from lining up GM-coach-QB-coordinator combos successfully.  I'm tepidly hopeful that Pace has earned a greater degree of authority in the franchise, but with the McCaskeys you can never be sure.

I think the other point is that Mack is such a special player, in a perfect world of waiting for Trubisky to prove himself, a Mack-level player simply may not come on the market.  The Raiders situation - cash-strapped, investing all personnel authority in a ten-year contract coach somewhat inexplicably - is pretty unique.

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Pace has built a very good young team, but I have to point out the glaring miss in the Shaheen pick. This big goof was a second rd pick, early one I think, and he can barely move. Burton wussing out yesterday definitely hurt. 

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4 minutes ago, rschroeder1 said:

You are correct in pointing out that my thinking is based on assumptions.  I believe the assumptions I'm making have some weight, but this is the NFL, and things can change in an instant.  That's totally fair.

As for waiting to see if Trubisky is legit, I understand what you are trying to say, but I feel like you contradict yourself in your next paragraph in discussing rookie contracts.  The Bears have five years of cheap Trubisky - going into this year, there were four left.  There is only so much waiting you can do before the window of cheap QB play is closed, presuming Trubisky is the answer.  In my opinion, the way the NFL incentivizes the role of young players on a team, if a team goes the route of drafting a QB, it's incumbent on them to go for it during that window.

Of course, the larger point here with the Bears is that the franchise has struggled with getting all its ducks in a row.  Drafting Trubisky and wasting year one of five with John Fox was egregious.  I'm thrilled with Nagy as a head coach, so maybe things will luck out in that regard, but the seeming lack of authority the Bears have placed in Ryan Pace at points in his tenure have hampered the Bears from lining up GM-coach-QB-coordinator combos successfully.  I'm tepidly hopeful that Pace has earned a greater degree of authority in the franchise, but with the McCaskeys you can never be sure.

I think the other point is that Mack is such a special player, in a perfect world of waiting for Trubisky to prove himself, a Mack-level player simply may not come on the market.  The Raiders situation - cash-strapped, investing all personnel authority in a ten-year contract coach somewhat inexplicably - is pretty unique.

The assumption about the gap between Chicago's 1st and Oakland's 2nd was not the main flaw - the main flaw was thinking of trading for Mack and signing him to $23.5M/year as the same thing as drafting a player. The discrepancy between rookie contracts and Mack's contract is the key point I was trying to get across. Mack alone will account for 1/8th of your 2019 salary cap.

And I get what you're saying about "wasting" Trubisky's rookie contract, but if you push all your chips in on him before you know if he's the real deal then that's worse, IMO, than postponing things one year. Plus, I don't even like the idea of ever pushing all your chips in. I like to see teams acquiring picks and building through the draft rather than trading away future picks. Being in cap hell can be a painful things to watch your franchise go through. I mean, I watched my Texans trade away a 2nd round pick just to get rid of Osweiller's contract. Such bad management. And I fear Pace's trade will put the Bears in a similar jam. In three years Trubisky's contract will be up (if he's good, he'll be expensive, if he's bad, you'll be looking for a free agent or rookie), Mack will be 31, and you'll be missing two 1st round players.

As for Mack being a special player, yes, he is... but I don't think a GM should ever get tunnel vision. Wait a year and sign him as a free agent without trading for him. If he's somehow not available, use all that cap space to upgrade other positions. There are many ways to build a team. Rarely will success solely hinge on a DE/OLB.

And you are right to be thrilled about Nagy (and irritated about the previous Fox hiring). I just think Pace should've given Nagy a year to work out the kinks in his first head coaching job.

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36 minutes ago, FF Ninja said:

The assumption about the gap between Chicago's 1st and Oakland's 2nd was not the main flaw - the main flaw was thinking of trading for Mack and signing him to $23.5M/year as the same thing as drafting a player. The discrepancy between rookie contracts and Mack's contract is the key point I was trying to get across. Mack alone will account for 1/8th of your 2019 salary cap.

And I get what you're saying about "wasting" Trubisky's rookie contract, but if you push all your chips in on him before you know if he's the real deal then that's worse, IMO, than postponing things one year. Plus, I don't even like the idea of ever pushing all your chips in. I like to see teams acquiring picks and building through the draft rather than trading away future picks. Being in cap hell can be a painful things to watch your franchise go through. I mean, I watched my Texans trade away a 2nd round pick just to get rid of Osweiller's contract. Such bad management. And I fear Pace's trade will put the Bears in a similar jam. In three years Trubisky's contract will be up (if he's good, he'll be expensive, if he's bad, you'll be looking for a free agent or rookie), Mack will be 31, and you'll be missing two 1st round players.

As for Mack being a special player, yes, he is... but I don't think a GM should ever get tunnel vision. Wait a year and sign him as a free agent without trading for him. If he's somehow not available, use all that cap space to upgrade other positions. There are many ways to build a team. Rarely will success solely hinge on a DE/OLB.

And you are right to be thrilled about Nagy (and irritated about the previous Fox hiring). I just think Pace should've given Nagy a year to work out the kinks in his first head coaching job.

You're right, I did miss your main point about the value of a drafted first round player in terms of cost and years.  Pace has gone the opposite route of accumulating picks, no doubt about that.  On the flip side though, there is an assumed value of any draft pick - the odds of panning out aren't guaranteed, whereas Mack is as close to a guarantee as there is.  Whether that guarantee is worth the sizable contract is something that we could probably keep going back and forth on.  I'm not deeply versed in the Bears salary cap situation beyond base knowledge of it.

To be totally honest with you, I think after six years of just awful football, I'm a bit greedy for having Bears football be fun again?  Perhaps not as focused on the process besides just enjoying a brief taste of success.  The game is all about long-term sustainability, though, as you have rightly pointed out.  The Bears have always been stuck in the waves and troughs of competing for far too long.

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13 hours ago, pbandy1 said:

agreed. Parkey needs to be gone, there is a reason he has been on mulitple teams. However, the loss is not on him. Offense was basically #### the first half and had lots of 3 and outs, Cohen got 4 damn touches, and defense could not shut down the Eagles in the end

i think blame would be shared, but if they want to pick out 2 things I think the defense allowing a TD drive with 5 minutes left and the 2-point conversion attempt would be on the top of the list of things that let the team down

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On 1/6/2019 at 3:25 AM, IheartGuinness said:
On 1/5/2019 at 9:26 PM, flapgreen said:

I've never said the Eagles weren't good. They're coming off a Super Bowl and a great late season run. They're not moving the ball on the Bears defense, though. 

It's not even going to be close. The Eagles are nowhere near the bears in terms of talent. They're going to get annihilated. 

 

Anyone checked on Guinness? 

He might have some Superbowl tickets to unload.

 

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Saw this on Twitter. The Spanish language broadcast of the Parkey kick is simply amazing: Link.

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What did everyone think about the pass that was caught and then fumbled but ruled and incomplete pass?

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1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What did everyone think about the pass that was caught and then fumbled but ruled and incomplete pass?

Apparently that is indeed the rule when the ball is never recovered on a completed pass that is fumbled. Its crazy but there you go.

That being said, how any team isnt coached to jump on every loose ball on every single play no matter what is beyond me. That and touch the guy with the ball if hes laying on the ground. Simple habits but they cost teams every week.

Edit: more accurately, the play was initially ruled incomplete, and the rule says if there is not clear recovery the play cant be reviewed at all. 

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2 hours ago, modogg said:

i think blame would be shared, but if they want to pick out 2 things I think the defense allowing a TD drive with 5 minutes left and the 2-point conversion attempt would be on the top of the list of things that let the team down

Nearly exactly what I said after calming down.  Only reason Parkey got bussed is because it was his binary play that determined the outcome.

Clock/drive management at the end could’ve been better as well.  They have plenty of time now to work on that.

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57 minutes ago, mbuehner said:

Apparently that is indeed the rule when the ball is never recovered on a completed pass that is fumbled. Its crazy but there you go.

That being said, how any team isnt coached to jump on every loose ball on every single play no matter what is beyond me. That and touch the guy with the ball if hes laying on the ground. Simple habits but they cost teams every week.

Edit: more accurately, the play was initially ruled incomplete, and the rule says if there is not clear recovery the play cant be reviewed at all. 

Yes.  They watched the ref wave incomplete, so nobody thought to jump on the ball.  Another thing to work on.  Always jump on the ball no matter what the refs say, until it is controlled and handed to one of them.

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3 hours ago, RBM said:

Pace has built a very good young team, but I have to point out the glaring miss in the Shaheen pick. This big goof was a second rd pick, early one I think, and he can barely move. Burton wussing out yesterday definitely hurt. 

Listening to 670 right now, they played a clip of media people talking to Trey Burton, he just kept saying that when his body is threatened his body locks up, but there wasn't anything specific he felt in his groin Monday-Friday. Kind of bizarre...

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And I believe 10 men on defense on Dallas Goedert's TD. Can't happen. Think Amos saw something but as he said himself, he's not really a guy that can call time-outs. I'd like an explanation from Fangio/Nagy/Pace on that one.

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2 hours ago, Hov34 said:

 

Anyone checked on Guinness? 

He might have some Superbowl tickets to unload.

 

been looking for him to say hi.  hes mia

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2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What did everyone think about the pass that was caught and then fumbled but ruled and incomplete pass?

i didnt think it was a catch... i mean the defender had his arm in there the entire time miller had the ball in his arms... he didnt really make a football move to me.... but it sounds like i just dont have a clear understanding of the new catch rule since the official ruling was it was a catch

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I was fine with it being incomplete but I don't see how it could've been anyone else's ball besides the Bears if it was ruled complete.  I always thought once the whistle blows the play is dead and anything that happens after doesn't matter.  So, if it was a completion then fumble but no one recovered it then it would remain with the Bears.  How could an Eagles player be awarded the ball after the play was blown dead.

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29 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I was fine with it being incomplete but I don't see how it could've been anyone else's ball besides the Bears if it was ruled complete.  I always thought once the whistle blows the play is dead and anything that happens after doesn't matter.  So, if it was a completion then fumble but no one recovered it then it would remain with the Bears.  How could an Eagles player be awarded the ball after the play was blown dead.

Looks like the way they called it was correct, but the rule employed is very strange.  Essentially if they had ruled a catch on the field, then Bears get the ball at the 5 because of no clear recovery, or they could have ruled it incomplete on review.  But since they ruled incomplete initially, the only reversal could have been a catch and clear fumble recovery by either side.  Not sure the rule is written that way, but it is what it is.

Catch, fumble? Rule says incomplete pass for Bears

ETA: Didn't see that this was explained a few posts up.  But the linked article spells out the rule.

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Right, the bottom line is it was called incomplete and should not have been reviewed.

The ref should have said "The ruling on the field was incomplete pass. By rule, because there was no clear recovery, the play is not subject to review."

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Bears fans you have a helluva bright future. Damn good game.

 

Yo Flap, where you at? Can you at least mark yourself as “safe”?

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7 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What did everyone think about the pass that was caught and then fumbled but ruled and incomplete pass?

I think Bears caught a break. Properly called in real time there's no way the Bears recover that fumble. Refs screwed it up, but the end result of the play was as fair as possible under the circumstance of the blown at the moment call of incomplete.

 

Great season by the Bears overall. I bleed forest green but have had a soft spot for this Bears team all year and would have cheered them on going forward. Not so sure all the hate on Parkey is reasonable though. Kid is NOT an upper echelon kicker, but he is among the top 25 in the league... he belongs in the NFL. More, he had already hit several FGs in that game. He isn't the reason the Bears lost. One could argue that he was one of the reasons they were still in it at all at the end.

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3 hours ago, mbuehner said:

Right, the bottom line is it was called incomplete and should not have been reviewed.

The ref should have said "The ruling on the field was incomplete pass. By rule, because there was no clear recovery, the play is not subject to review."

Not sure this is correct, because at the moment there was also the question of whether or not the Bear player was DOWN before the fumble. He wasn't, but that was hardly a complete given at the moment.

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11 hours ago, FF Ninja said:

Tough loss for the Bears, but I'm thankful I don't have to listen to more garbage from @flapgreen trying to talk **!* to me for believing Pace prematurely pushed all his chips in. I told him that the true burn of that overpay wasn't going to be felt for 3 years, but he loved trying to drag me back in after every win to talk smack during year 1. I guess we can call a round 1 loss (to a 9-7 team with a backup QB and no RB) karma.

For those who aren't familiar with flap's constant baiting, I've got nothing against the Bears. Just didn't like Pace's trade for the team's long term outlook. Best of luck to you guys. I'm jealous of any team that doesn't have an idiot for a coach

I dish it out. I can take it, too. The Bears going from worst to first and going head to head with the defending Champs to the last second is more than I could hope for in any one year turnaround. The fact you think this season shows justification to your asinine prediction shows how big of a fool you are and how clueless you are when it comes to football. Now move along 

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10 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I wonder is Flap was arrested for making threats towards Parkey?

First off, you have no idea anything about me. I've been around here a long time and know a lot of footballguys personally. Accusing someone of doing something like that when you don't know them says more about you than it does me. Have a nice off season. 

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10 hours ago, FF Ninja said:

Do you think Trubisky is the truth? Even if you do today, did you think he was after year 1? I don't see how anyone could have. I felt (and still do) that Pace should've seen how year 2 went before pushing in all his chips. 

Seriously, how clueless can a person be? Trubisky balled out in crunch time and led to what should've been the game winning score over the defending Champs. Your willingness to want to be right is making you look foolish. You keep up with nothing about the Bears cap situation and the numbers of the actual trade itself. If you're going to roll up in here to talk trash, at least be prepared. 

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20 hours ago, -X- said:

Good to see there are some classy PHI fans around here.

Ultimately, 31 out of 32 teams all wind up being losers.  Our turn came up a bit earlier than we hoped.  We were picked to be dead last and surprised a lot of people and teams.

Good experience for the future.  We’ll be back and better because of it.  Nagy is a way better coach than we’ve had in decades.  It took Ditka four years to get a ring.

Now we just have to see what Vic does.  Filling his shoes will be hard to do.

I’ll be rooting for the Chiefs, Rams and anyone playing the Pats.

I agree with this. The Eagles fans have been very gracious. 

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21 hours ago, need2know said:

Flap and others kinda quiet in here tonight.  Don't blame them.  Good games bears

Brutal brutal loss. So hard to stomach after being right there in a position to win. Great game, Eagles. Amazing perseverance. 

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