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My biggest issue is that I think Taylor Gabriel is the second coming of Eddie Royal. A big overpay for a very limited player. I like Trey Burton, but that is an overpay too. However, I love the ARob signing. Glad to see Pace making moves, but I think you build through the draft. You can’t buy a Championship team. That worries me.

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Not if we keep trading away draft picks.  That has to stop this year.  Plenty of teams have had success rebuilding quickly via both avenues.

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Notable FA's still available


DL- Richardson, Suh, Poe, Logan & Claiborne

S- Mathieu, Burnett, Reid, Boston, Vaccaro

Edge- Okafor, Ealy, Barwin, Lynch, Attouchu, Galette, Flowers

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Need a couple of those edge guys and a DL

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As much as I've knocked a few of the moves, I do like keeping the Fuller/Amukamara/Callahan trio together. After the Chargers, Rams and Saints, that is probably the best CB trio in the league. Also really like Craven LeBlanc as a dime guy. 

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11 hours ago, flapgreen said:

Overpaid for Daniel and Acho. Really dislike those two deals. But still not huge money or anything 

agreed. I think we overpaid for Gabriel as well, even though I think he will still be productive with Nagy.

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so with some corner backs signed, who to take at the 8th spot? 

I hope we get lucky and snag Quenton Nelson. The 8th spot is going to be weird because I think there is going to be a lot of trades going on in the first 6 picks.

Nelson will likely be gone though, no way the Bucs skip over him. So in order of preference:

1) Fitzpatrick

2) Trade down

3) Edmunds

4) McGlinchey (yes it is a reach and he is probably just a RT, but damnit if he fills a need. All we really have is Leno at this point.)

5) Highest rated Edge or DT on their board

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Mcglinchey owned Chubb when they played FTR. 

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Fitzpatrick not even decided between CB of safety yet. I'll pass. 

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Nelson would be far at the top of my list. Trade down has to be the first thing they try, though. If not and Nelson is gone, I go with Edmunds, Mcglinchey or Davenport.   

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Gallette, Lynch, Bowman,  Houston, Logan, Attachou should all be on the Bears short list. 

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29 minutes ago, 3nOut said:

Thoughts on Crabtree if he gets released by the Raiders?

Nope, WR is actually starting to get crowded, add a mid round (2-4) draft pick in there and call it a day I think.

Need to start looking for some players on D, I didn't know we were going to lose Unrein and our DL was already pretty thin.

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42 minutes ago, 3nOut said:

Thoughts on Crabtree if he gets released by the Raiders?

The only other offensive positions I think they should be looking at in FA right now are OL, other than that it should be all defense now.

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17 hours ago, twistd said:

My biggest issue is that I think Taylor Gabriel is the second coming of Eddie Royal. A big overpay for a very limited player. I like Trey Burton, but that is an overpay too. However, I love the ARob signing. Glad to see Pace making moves, but I think you build through the draft. You can’t buy a Championship team. That worries me.

You could be right but you also have to take some chances. This is also about the development of Trubisky. You can't just sign one big name free agent and then stick him out there with last years group. I like what Pace has done... and once again he's provided himself an out after a couple years with both of these guys.

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3 hours ago, sublimeone said:

You could be right but you also have to take some chances. This is also about the development of Trubisky. You can't just sign one big name free agent and then stick him out there with last years group. I like what Pace has done... and once again he's provided himself an out after a couple years with both of these guys.

Situations nothing alike. Gabriel entering his 5th season and is an ascending player. Royal was entering his 8th season and had been injured and was on the downside of his career with a lot of wear and tear. 

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17 hours ago, flapgreen said:

Gallette, Lynch, Bowman,  Houston, Logan, Attachou should all be on the Bears short list. 

Mark off Attachou. Gone. 

So Gallette, Lynch, Bowman, Logan, Houston 

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1 hour ago, flapgreen said:

Mark off Attachou. Gone. 

So Gallette, Lynch, Bowman, Logan, Houston 

BOOM BABY! 

Bears Signing Former 49ers DE Aaron Lynch 

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Pace is signing almost EVERYONE I wanted. This is awesome 

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1 hour ago, flapgreen said:

Situations nothing alike. Gabriel entering his 5th season and is an ascending player. Royal was entering his 8th season and had been injured and was on the downside of his career with a lot of wear and tear. 

I wouldn't say Gabriel is an ascending player. The Falcons offense two years ago was historically amazing.

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19 minutes ago, pbandy1 said:

I wouldn't say Gabriel is an ascending player. The Falcons offense two years ago was historically amazing.

I don't want to argue semantics but he's a very fast guy and has no history of injuries. He also appears to be getting better each year I've watched him. Another speed guy we desperately need. A good pairing with AR

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Punter Pat O'Donnell is re-signing with the Chicago Bears on a one-year deal, per source.

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Remaining needs: 

G/C, OLB2, ILB3, CB3, 5T, RT

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Not sure how someone is comparing Royal and Gabriel.  Gabriel is a young, exciting player that can help the Bears.  He's a threat the Bear's have been missing.

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4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Not sure how someone is comparing Royal and Gabriel.  Gabriel is a young, exciting player that can help the Bears.  He's a threat the Bear's have been missing.

Very little in common 

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Really going to be the first draft where they can go a lot of different directions. Need at least a couple pass rushers, though. 

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18 hours ago, flapgreen said:

 

Bowman, Logan, Houston, Joeckel, McPhee, Boston, Burnett, Reid

Remaining potential targets available 

Roughly 21 million remaining in cap space. 

 

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On 3/14/2018 at 8:43 PM, flapgreen said:

Fitzpatrick not even decided between CB of safety yet. I'll pass. 

He can play both very well. He'll probably be the best defensive player in the draft regardless of which he plays and perhaps he plays both. I don't want him in Chicago either (although I did take him there in the pre combine mock).

12 hours ago, Milkman said:

Trey Burton is going to blow up on this team. Great signing!

I'd like him more if didn't like Shaheen.  But I guess there's room for both.

Trubisky has no excuse to not develop well in year 2.

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2 hours ago, -OZ- said:

He can play both very well. He'll probably be the best defensive player in the draft regardless of which he plays and perhaps he plays both. I don't want him in Chicago either (although I did take him there in the pre combine mock).

I'd like him more if didn't like Shaheen.  But I guess there's room for both.

Trubisky has no excuse to not develop well in year 2.

I think his development will completely depend on the OL.  It's only his second year and he's going to need time to throw.

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19 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think his development will completely depend on the OL.  It's only his second year and he's going to need time to throw.

It helps for sure. But the two TEs and Cohen should provide quick outlets.

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2 minutes ago, -OZ- said:

It helps for sure. But the two TEs and Cohen should provide quick outlets.

I agree.  Hoping to see a deep threat we haven't seen in a while though.

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6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I agree.  Hoping to see a deep threat we haven't seen in a while though.

Isn't that Gabriel? I guess he can play everywhere but he's got the speed.

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Just now, -OZ- said:

Isn't that Gabriel? I guess he can play everywhere but he's got the speed.

Yes, but a QB needs time to throw to those deep routes.  That's been a problem in the past.  I remember when Martz was the OC and had Cutler doing 7 step drops and he got crushed.  Martz was such a terrible OC for that team.  He was trying to implement his "greatest show on turf" offense to a team that wasn't even close to the same.

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Re-signed Daniel Brown. Need to get rid if Sims already. 

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 Kevin White has been injured for sure, he isn't a good route runner at least not yet. Although very limited he might still offer something sikmilar to the Willie Gault role. Word is he is ripped and if he is still fast might as well get something out of him even if it is only deep threat on 3rd down and 4 spread wide. Two TE with good running backs is one look, Robinson,Gabriel, White and ??? with Cohen as outlet is another look for Defenses to plan for. I get White has given nothing, appears to be over drafted has been injury prone but...still on roster. Otherwise he is 5.2 mil of dead money. https://247sports.com/Bolt/Blueprint-for-Kevin-White-to-finally-produce-under-Matt-Nagy-114062045

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Looks like the packers are forcing our hand with Fuller and signed him to an offer sheet.  No numbers yet, so we'll see if we match or let him go to the Packers.  Unless it's a completely stupid, highest paid corner in the league type offer, think we pretty much have to match.  Pace would look really bad if he let him go to the packers and he were to nail us twice a year.

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1 hour ago, The Tick said:

Looks like the packers are forcing our hand with Fuller and signed him to an offer sheet.  No numbers yet, so we'll see if we match or let him go to the Packers.  Unless it's a completely stupid, highest paid corner in the league type offer, think we pretty much have to match.  Pace would look really bad if he let him go to the packers and he were to nail us twice a year.

A Bear negotiating with the packers?  Should be cut for treason. 

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23 hours ago, flapgreen said:

Punter Pat O'Donnell is re-signing with the Chicago Bears on a one-year deal, per source.

You forgot the BOOM ? 

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The #Bears are matching the #Packers’ offer sheet for CB Kyle Fuller, sources said. Fuller stays.

It’s a 4-year deal worth $56M. The key number is $18M guaranteed. Fuller already had $13M guaranteed from the translation tag. For $5M more guaranteed, they get him long-term??

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Thanks Pack! Idiots. Just allowed to lock up our guy long-term or get out cheap after one year. Did our negotiating for us.  :lol:

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9 minutes ago, flapgreen said:

The #Bears are matching the #Packers’ offer sheet for CB Kyle Fuller, sources said. Fuller stays.

It’s a 4-year deal worth $56M. The key number is $18M guaranteed. Fuller already had $13M guaranteed from the translation tag. For $5M more guaranteed, they get him long-term??

I think it is a pretty stout overpay. I don’t think Fuller is very good. For that kind of money I’d prefer they let him go and draft a corner. Fuller did play better last year, but he is far from a shut down corner. And you paid him like that. 

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9 minutes ago, twistd said:

I think it is a pretty stout overpay. I don’t think Fuller is very good. For that kind of money I’d prefer they let him go and draft a corner. Fuller did play better last year, but he is far from a shut down corner. And you paid him like that. 

WHAT?!? lol

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On 3/15/2018 at 1:56 PM, sublimeone said:

You could be right but you also have to take some chances. This is also about the development of Trubisky. You can't just sign one big name free agent and then stick him out there with last years group. I like what Pace has done... and once again he's provided himself an out after a couple years with both of these guys.

That literally sounds exactly like the Eagles plan this past past year.  Worked out ok.  Key difference is a very good O-line - a good line makes all the difference in the world.

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1 hour ago, babydemon90 said:

That literally sounds exactly like the Eagles plan this past past year.  Worked out ok.  Key difference is a very good O-line - a good line makes all the difference in the world.

The Bears have a lot better line than some think. Leno has gotten better every year. Hopefully Long is back. Whitehair will return to form on a real offense. If we can somehow get Nelson in the first I can deal with Massie at RT again.  The line will be very solid and the offense will have aot of weapons. No excuses for Trubisky.  But they're not near the Eagles level talent wise yet. Still many holes to fill. I'd be excited with 8-10 wins. 

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After 3 straight years of being cheap, the Bears finally went all in after Pace got his qb and coach. 

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7 hours ago, flapgreen said:

After decades of being cheap, the Bears finally went all in after Pace got his qb and coach. 

FTFY.

I read an article found on B/R the other day where it mentioned that better FAs have been more receptive to joining us, due to Nagy's scheme and potential.

It just accentuates my deduction that better FAs didn't want to come here in previous seasons because of...  John Fox.

So again, one can't lay all the blame on Pace for previous seasons' poor FA results.  Fox f'd us in more ways than one.

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4 hours ago, -X- said:

FTFY.

I read an article found on B/R the other day where it mentioned that better FAs have been more receptive to joining us, due to Nagy's scheme and potential.

It just accentuates my deduction that better FAs didn't want to come here in previous seasons because of...  John Fox.

So again, one can't lay all the blame on Pace for previous seasons' poor FA results.  Fox f'd us in more ways than one.

Ultimately, Pace is the GM and signing players falls completely on him. He blew it last year. On him.  If this turns out like it appears it will, everyone should be kissing his ###. 

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