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For comparisons sake, the Saints gave up the same thing for freaking Marcus Davenport this year in the draft. Bears have plenty of cap space and didn't spend for the first 3 years of Pace's tenure in preparation for things like this. Great times. 

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Just now, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Two firsts + a monster salary is too much.  An elite QB might be worth that, but no way anyone else is.

Let’s see what the contract is. If it’s a 3 year fully guaranteed extension, we could swallow that while Trubisky is on his rookie contract and revisit in a few years. The man is game changing

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Just now, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Two firsts + a monster salary is too much.  An elite QB might be worth that, but no way anyone else is.

2 future 1st round prospects for defensive player of the year and likely HOF'er  is easily worth it. The money is meaningless. Bears have their qb and other pass rusher on rookie contracts and their LT at a very affordable rate. 

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2 minutes ago, mbuehner said:

This has got to be contingent on signing Mack to a long term deal, right?

The deal is probably contingent on Mack signing an extension because if he didn't then they would essentially be inheriting the same holdout that forced Oakland to trade him so yeah, he's going to sign a MASSIVE contract 'reportedly' expected to eclipse Aarron Donald's record setting deal.

Khalil Mack will reportedly be traded to the Chicago Bears where he is expected to sign a record contract

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...Mack had been holding out as he sought to become of the highest-paid players in the NFL. According to Rapoport, he could have a record-breaking deal with the Bears as early as Saturday.

"Before the end of the day, the Bears are expected to negotiate a long-term deal with Khalil Mack that should eclipse the deal for Aaron Donald," Rapoport wrote.

Donald became the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history on Friday when he signed a new 6-year, $135 million deal with the Los Angeles Rams.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Two firsts + a monster salary is too much.  An elite QB might be worth that, but no way anyone else is.

You draft a top first rounder PRAYING you get a guy like this. And the Bears wont be drafting in the top 5 any time soon, so its moot.

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2 minutes ago, mbuehner said:

You draft a top first rounder PRAYING you get a guy like this. And the Bears wont be drafting in the top 5 any time soon, so its moot.

Exactly 

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13 minutes ago, flapgreen said:

Maybe we'll finally be good. 

Wish they would announce the full trade. Raider fans think they are getting Smith too. 

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Just now, efactor said:

Wish they would announce the full trade. Raider fans think they are getting Smith too. 

:lmao:

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17 minutes ago, flapgreen said:

Maybe we'll finally be good. 

If Trubisky can make the leap, absolutely. Division doesn’t help matters, but you’ve got the D and you’ve finally got the offensive weapons. Line is solid. 

Its all up to Mitch now.

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takes cojones to make a deal like this. kudos to pace. this is the kind of deal that can cripple your team or make it. Mack is obviously a talent but it remains to be seen what losing those picks (and maybe player) mean for Chicago, not to mention the contract. as mentioned earlier having so many other playmakers on rookie deals, this impact is likely not to be felt for a few years. 

I think raiders got a nice haul, especially depending if there is a player and who it is, and Chicago obviously got one of the best in the game. 

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6 minutes ago, efactor said:

Wish they would announce the full trade. Raider fans think they are getting Smith too. 

Maybe a 1st + Smith?

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7 minutes ago, efactor said:

Wish they would announce the full trade. Raider fans think they are getting Smith too. 

The sound of sweating losing Smith

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8 minutes ago, efactor said:

Wish they would announce the full trade. Raider fans think they are getting Smith too. 

If there is a player involved they won't announce until they actually reach a deal with Mack and it is official.

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16 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

takes cojones to make a deal like this. kudos to pace. this is the kind of deal that can cripple your team or make it. Mack is obviously a talent but it remains to be seen what losing those picks (and maybe player) mean for Chicago, not to mention the contract. as mentioned earlier having so many other playmakers on rookie deals, this impact is likely not to be felt for a few years. 

I think raiders got a nice haul, especially depending if there is a player and who it is, and Chicago obviously got one of the best in the game. 

This is a very accurate assessment. 

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Anybody have the cojones to snag Bears D now?  Starting off the season with the Pack in Lambeau on Monday.  Ouch.  And then a week 5 bye.  I typically stream, so I'm still not sure if I want them.

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8 minutes ago, greyhorse said:

Anybody have the cojones to snag Bears D now?  Starting off the season with the Pack in Lambeau on Monday.  Ouch.  And then a week 5 bye.  I typically stream, so I'm still not sure if I want them.

I did in two leagues. Early in season so can afford to roster 2 defenses for a few weeks until you see how it plays out. 

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41 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Two firsts + a monster salary is too much.  An elite QB might be worth that, but no way anyone else is.

Couldn't disagree more. An elite pass rusher is the 2nd most important thing in football. The Bears have a QB they like, on a rookie deal for the next few years, which is what allows them to do something like this. Much like the Rams spending spree is made possible by having Goff. Teams that don't have QB's on huge deals, should be looking to make moves like this all the time. 

1st round picks are the most overrated assets anyway. Kevin White and Leonard Floyd were both recent Bears 1st round picks(top-10 even) half of all 1st round picks never amount to anything. Mack is already a proven stud, and is arguably still on the upswing, and should be an even better fit in Fangio's defense. On those great 49ers defenses in the early 2010's, Fangio had Justin Smith playing in front of Aldon Smith and it gave OC's nighmares. Hicks in front of Mack is likely even more dangerous.

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Hicks, Goldman, Floyd, Mack.  Pretty damn awesome. 

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Mack is so freaking dominant. Changes any defense. Double teamed constantly in Oakland and still dominated.  One of the best pass rushers of the last 20 years in his early prime. No way they can double him now with Hicks, Floyd, and Goldman next to him.  Wow

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Bears who are 27* or younger:
Khalil Mack
Taylor Gabriel
Kyle Fuller
Trey Burton
Cody Whitehair
Charles Leno
Eddie Jackson
Adrian Amos
Allen Robinson
Leonard Floyd
Eddie Goldman
Mitch Trubisky
Jordan Howard
Adam Shaheen
Tarik Cohen
Anthony Miller
Roquan Smith
James Daniels

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14-34 under Pace in his first 3 seasons. He means business now. 

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You can almost see him sacking Aaron Rodgers right now.*

But in a Bears uniform.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Dan said:

takes cojones to make a deal like this. kudos to pace. this is the kind of deal that can cripple your team or make it. Mack is obviously a talent but it remains to be seen what losing those picks (and maybe player) mean for Chicago, not to mention the contract. as mentioned earlier having so many other playmakers on rookie deals, this impact is likely not to be felt for a few years. 

I think raiders got a nice haul, especially depending if there is a player and who it is, and Chicago obviously got one of the best in the game. 

I like to think Gruden didn't get one over on us. But hey, he's probably as good as Lance Briggs.

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32 minutes ago, flapgreen said:

Mack is so freaking dominant. Changes any defense. Double teamed constantly in Oakland and still dominated.  One of the best pass rushers of the last 20 years in his early prime. No way they can double him now with Hicks, Floyd, and Goldman next to him.  Wow

Who gains the most here?

Gotta be Akiem Hicks. 

This. Could. Be. Epic.

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On 8/27/2018 at 11:51 PM, -X- said:

So get Khalil Mack already.  Let’s do this.

I’m really liking how Nagy is looking ahead to GB and making that their sole focus.  He seems to actually respect the rivalry and understands its importance.

Season’s almost here and yes, I’m getting fired up.

Shock the world.

:thumbup:

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35 minutes ago, flapgreen said:

Mack is so freaking dominant. Changes any defense. Double teamed constantly in Oakland and still dominated.  One of the best pass rushers of the last 20 years in his early prime. No way they can double him now with Hicks, Floyd, and Goldman next to him.  Wow

Can we call you 'fapgreen' today? Congratulations, bud!

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Good player and smart move but let’s not forget the raiders were a bottom third defense last year.   Some of the posts here make it sound like Mack is the 85 bears on his own. 

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1 minute ago, nittanylion said:

Can we call you 'fapgreen' today? Congratulations, bud!

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2 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

Good player and smart move but let’s not forget the raiders were a bottom third defense last year.   Some of the posts here make it sound like Mack is the 85 bears on his own. 

Bears already had a top 10 defense and have now added the best pass rusher in the league. They're legit. 85 Bears was a once in a lifetime defense. I can't imagine anyone thinking that. Mack is the only potential hall of famer on the team. 85 was loaded with them. 

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As long as they close the deal (it’s not done yet), Mack will instantly raise the effectiveness of the entire defense.

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11 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

Good player and smart move but let’s not forget the raiders were a bottom third defense last year.   Some of the posts here make it sound like Mack is the 85 bears on his own. 

He can do it.

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8 minutes ago, flapgreen said:

Bears already had a top 10 defense and have now added the best pass rusher in the league. They're legit. 85 Bears was a once in a lifetime defense. I can't imagine anyone thinking that. Mack is the only potential hall of famer on the team. 85 was loaded with them. 

They did?

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Top 10 in ppg, sacks, ypg last year.  Now, they've added the top MLB in the draft and the top pass rusher in the league.  Kept the same DC. Added a lot of offensive pieces and an offensive minded coach. 

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