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8 minutes ago, flapgreen said:

I think the Bears may be signing Leveon 

Would be a great move.  Kind of the missing piece to their offense and they are in the window to go for it now.

 

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33 minutes ago, efactor said:

Would be a great move.  Kind of the missing piece to their offense and they are in the window to go for it now.

 

Then trade Howard for a pick or another player. 

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55 minutes ago, efactor said:

Would be a great move.  Kind of the missing piece to their offense and they are in the window to go for it now.

 

I'll be excited if it happens, but I don't think it would be a good use of cap space, I just can't justify spending that much for a RB.

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Ingram to the Ravens. Matk him off. This Bell thing could be a real possibility 

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1 hour ago, The Tick said:

I'll be excited if it happens, but I don't think it would be a good use of cap space, I just can't justify spending that much for a RB.

Rumors are he's only being offered 11-12 per. I'd definitely be in on this. 

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Now that Ingram is off the table, what do they do if Bell signs elsewhere? Keep Howard? Go with Davis as their lead? 

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1 hour ago, 3nOut said:

Now that Ingram is off the table, what do they do if Bell signs elsewhere? Keep Howard? Go with Davis as their lead? 

Trade Howard and draft a RB. 

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It sounds like the Bears aren't even in this Bell thing (which i'm fine with), and no way is he taking 11-12M per year.

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Former Patriots’ WR Cordarrelle Patterson intends to sign with the Chicago Bears for $5 million per year, per source. :headbang:

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Bears sign Patterson. Good move and upgrade from white. Still need another sure handed WR to replace Bellamy 

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33 minutes ago, flapgreen said:

Former Patriots’ WR Cordarrelle Patterson intends to sign with the Chicago Bears for $5 million per year, per source. :headbang:

Guys been a bust since he was with the Vikings. You can have him

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17 minutes ago, Mr.Pack said:

Guys been a bust since he was with the Vikings. You can have him

I think the versatility is his biggest asset. I trust what Nagy can do with it.

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Would have preferred to not sign Patterson or Skrine and spend that money to keep Amos. Really have no idea why they signed Skrine.

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41 minutes ago, travdogg said:

Would have preferred to not sign Patterson or Skrine and spend that money to keep Amos. Really have no idea why they signed Skrine.

Agreed. Skrine is not a good football player. And kick returner is a less important position than it used to be, what with all the touchbacks.

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4 hours ago, Max Power said:

Did Patterson cover punts in NE?

I don't think so. He played 74 special teams snaps last year, which sounds like roughly the number of kickoffs.

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5 hours ago, Mr.Pack said:

Guys been a bust since he was with the Vikings. You can have him

As a #1 WR yes. As our return guy and 4th WR and versatile playmaker no. 

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1 hour ago, ZWK said:

Agreed. Skrine is not a good football player. And kick returner is a less important position than it used to be, what with all the touchbacks.

I don't get the Skrine signing either, but Amos is very replaceable and was never going to stay a Bear.  Still a lot of guys left.  

Jason Verret

John Simon 

Justin Houston 

Maxx Williams 

Adrian Phillips 

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Yeah, I'm more down on Skrine and (to a lesser extent) Patterson than I am in favor of Amos at his price. Amos at $9M/yr would've been better than Skrine+Patterson, but probably they could do something with that money which is even better than Amos.

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Counting the bonuses, Patterson is essentially looking at $5.25 million for 1  season with the #Bears.

The Skrine deal is basically a 2 year deal.

A lot of guys coming up on extensions in the next 2 years. Pace is just preparing in advance. 

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12 hours ago, ZWK said:

Agreed. Skrine is not a good football player. And kick returner is a less important position than it used to be, what with all the touchbacks.

Skrine had a few good games down the stretch last year, but he was bad for almost all of his Jets tenure. He had a lot of plays where he would celebrate a pass break-up (never looking back for the ball and crashing into a receiver) only to not realize that he had been called for pass interference. That got old quickly. Sometimes it would happen on consecutive pass plays. He was definitely not a fan favorite.

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24 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

Nyj are letting kicker jason myers go.......pounce on him at 4:00.....blewett? Really?

Exactly my thoughts! 

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Already being said he's not going to the Bears. 

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Free agent Ha Ha Clinton-Dix is visiting the Bears.

Clinton-Dix is the top remaining safety with all the other big names signed. He would replace Adrian Amos in Chicago, who signed with the Packers. The Redskins have been in talks to re-sign Clinton-Dix but haven't been able to get a deal done. Clinton-Dix is likely seeking Lamarcus Joyner money (four years, $42M).

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Mar 13, 2019, 7:35 PM

 

I don't like it for 10 mil a year. 

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8 minutes ago, Max Power said:

I don't like it for 10 mil a year. 

No way the Bears pay near that. Amos got 9-10 per for 2-3 years. Ha Ha is a slight downgrade from Amos and it's coming on the 2nd day of FA so will be cheaper. 

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S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix signed for 1 year, $3.5M. Signed for $5.5M/yr less than Amos, and just a slight downgrade. For now it looks like the Bears won this safety swap.

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11 minutes ago, ZWK said:

S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix signed for 1 year, $3.5M. Signed for $5.5M/yr less than Amos, and just a slight downgrade. For now it looks like the Bears won this safety swap.

This feels like it could be the steal of free agency.  Seems like the Bears might have the flexibility to make one more substantial move.

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We still need another WR.  I don't really want a rookie in the top 5.  Grab someone like Chris Hogan on the cheap

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2 minutes ago, Max Power said:

We still need another WR.  I don't really want a rookie in the top 5.  Grab someone like Chris Hogan on the cheap

I believe Hub Arkush said on the radio this week the Bears are very high on Javon Wims at this point.  Not sure if that means they expect him to be a significant contributor this year, but wouldn't be surprised if they let WR go in favor of one more pass rusher, or depth at OLB.

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Just now, rschroeder1 said:

I believe Hub Arkush said on the radio this week the Bears are very high on Javon Wims at this point.  Not sure if that means they expect him to be a significant contributor this year, but wouldn't be surprised if they let WR go in favor of one more pass rusher, or depth at OLB.

I'd personally feel better with a vet.  Miller and Robinson both were banged up last year and Gabriel/Patterson can't carry the load should one of the starters miss time.  I did like what I saw with Wims last season though. 

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The Packers posters still picked Amos after I showed them this...

 

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix vs Adrian Amos

Career Numbers
Seasons: 5 vs 4
Ints: 14 vs 3
PD: 28 vs 18
Fumbles: 4 vs 3
Sacks: 5.5 vs 2
Tackles: 456 vs 269
Guaranteed $$$: 3.5 vs 12

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Kevin White signs with the Cards.  I feel like we just got an extra roster spot now

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1 hour ago, tdmills said:

The Packers posters still picked Amos after I showed them this...

 

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix vs Adrian Amos

Career Numbers
Seasons: 5 vs 4
Ints: 14 vs 3
PD: 28 vs 18
Fumbles: 4 vs 3
Sacks: 5.5 vs 2
Tackles: 456 vs 269
Guaranteed $$$: 3.5 vs 12

Of course they did. Ha ha at a fraction of the cost is such an easy call. 

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Great outcome signing HaHa, I always liked Amos, but feel like he's benefited from the system racking up tackles (good for him, not everbody can tackle). Clinton-Dix should do just as well cleaning up but add an element of ball hawk. Net plus in my mind, and saved money without committing to a long term investment. Bears are slightly more dangerous now.

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Let me say this about Amos though, he was a cornerstone of building this defense into what it has become. For where they drafted him, he was a home run on a bad team that needed an identity. Amos backstopped a lot of development that maybe doesn't happen otherwise.

The downside of success is the Bears are so good, so strong up the middle especially, Amos skill set is just not as important for this team. The Bears are playing with house money at SS and can gamble on somebody a little more explosive. Its a great move and Amos is going to a Packers team that will really appreciate his skills. Win-win.

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2 hours ago, tdmills said:

The Packers posters still picked Amos after I showed them this...

 

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix vs Adrian Amos

Career Numbers
Seasons: 5 vs 4
Ints: 14 vs 3
PD: 28 vs 18
Fumbles: 4 vs 3
Sacks: 5.5 vs 2
Tackles: 456 vs 269
Guaranteed $$$: 3.5 vs 12

 🙂There's a reason he could only fetch a 3.5 prove it deal.  

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8 minutes ago, beef said:

 🙂There's a reason he could only fetch a 3.5 prove it deal.  

Fair. But playing on a wrecking crew best defense in the league might hide a lot of warts.

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1 hour ago, mbuehner said:

Let me say this about Amos though, he was a cornerstone of building this defense into what it has become. For where they drafted him, he was a home run on a bad team that needed an identity. Amos backstopped a lot of development that maybe doesn't happen otherwise.

The downside of success is the Bears are so good, so strong up the middle especially, Amos skill set is just not as important for this team. The Bears are playing with house money at SS and can gamble on somebody a little more explosive. Its a great move and Amos is going to a Packers team that will really appreciate his skills. Win-win.

I would guess that they draft a legit SS with their R3 pick and get good ROI on the pick. Ha-Ha is just good enough to play either SS or FS. If Jackson is injured then Ha can slide over to give the rook time at SS. Ha doesn't have to work too hard on his tackling too much with the front 7 doing most of the work.

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Like the Patterson pickup.  Seemed like every time I saw him toting the rock, he was trucking defenders.  Not bad for a fast returner who has a unique skillset for creating mismatches.

HHCD...  Ok.

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1 hour ago, beef said:

 🙂There's a reason he could only fetch a 3.5 prove it deal.  

I'm not sure how Amos could fetch 9 mil a year for being the 11th best player on the Bears defense. 

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1 hour ago, mbuehner said:

Fair. But playing on a wrecking crew best defense in the league might hide a lot of warts.

His warts were evident when Eddie wasn't playing. He's a good safety, not great.  Definitely not a guy who's going to force many turnovers. 

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56 minutes ago, saintfool said:

I would guess that they draft a legit SS with their R3 pick and get good ROI on the pick. Ha-Ha is just good enough to play either SS or FS. If Jackson is injured then Ha can slide over to give the rook time at SS. Ha doesn't have to work too hard on his tackling too much with the front 7 doing most of the work.

Very well could draft one. Pace is killing it in the middle rounds. 

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Would be something if Pace ended up bringing back Callahan on a short deal and used Skrine as a floater. 

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14 hours ago, mbuehner said:

Fair. But playing on a wrecking crew best defense in the league might hide a lot of warts.

Outstanding coverage from your CBs will make HaHa successful.  

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Ha Ha was a guy I wanted the Bears to draft coming out of college.  The chemistry should certainly be there between Jackson and Clinton-Dix, with them being teammates at Alabama for a short time.  

Looks like Clinton-Dix turned down more money from the Redskins to get an opportunity to play with Eddie Jackson again.  Consider me excited about this move.  

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Callahan going to Denver. Bummer. Time to focus on OLB. 

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Bryce Callahan signs with Denver for 3 years, $21M ($7M/yr) according to Spotrac.

Skrine signing looking even worse. Skrine's 3 year, $16.6M deal is only $4.4M total ($1.5M/yr) less than Callahan. Bears should've gone with Callahan, or gone way cheaper with someone like Brian Poole.

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