Insein

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1 hour ago, GoBirds said:

Giving out big deals to everyone that got their feelings hurt by Chip. 

I mean, not that there's good news here, but the not-bad news is if you look into the details of their 2018 cap, they can free up literally $50M next offseason with either no or minimal cap hits: Peters and Barwin ($10.25M each), Daniel ($7M), Kelce ($6M), Celek ($4M), the list goes on.

The bad news is that this will still put us below the median in terms of cap space next offseason and probably hamstring our ability to go to the well for premier FAs. In other words, Howie damn well better pull some rabbits out of his hat at the draft this year and next if he's serious about building a SB contender in the near term.

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5 hours ago, Deamon said:

I'm okay with this but I think we really have to build our OL and can't ignore it any longer.  It's worked wonders for Dallas.

If we get Alshon:

R1:  Best CB Available.
R2:  OL/WR
R3:  WR/OL
R4:  RB
R4B:  CB if a 3rd round graded one falls.  Otherwise Pass Rusher.

If no Alshon:

R1:  WR if one of the top guys falls to us.  Otherwise CB.
R2.  CB/OL (maybe WR)
R3:  OL/CB/WR (whichever position we don't have yet)
R4:  RB
R4B:  BPA.

I really like grabbing a RB a little later on.  Early 4th there should be a good one there.  Too much need at CB/WR/OL to not target guys there.
 

Just to nitpick a little--Youre going to have to find a spot for DL specifically the right side.  Logan and Barwin are gone and Vinny Curry looks bad.  We are going to have to find a place for DL help and IMO it's needed more than OL.  We seemed to get a couple solid rookies last season on OL and with another season under their belt they should be even better. 

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Just now, Mr. Irrelevant said:

I mean, not that there's good news here, but the not-bad news is if you look into the details of their 2018 cap, they can free up literally $50M next offseason with either no or minimal cap hits: Peters and Barwin ($10.25M each), Daniel ($7M), Kelce ($6M), Celek ($4M), the list goes on.

The bad news is that this will still put us below the median in terms of cap space next offseason and probably hamstring our ability to go to the well for premier FAs. In other words, Howie damn well better pull some rabbits out of his hat at the draft this year and next if he's serious about building a SB contender in the near term.

And these are the years Wentz is at a low cap number, wait til he gets his deal in a few years.

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6 hours ago, Deamon said:

Check out our 2018 Cap space.  How did this happen?

Click on 2018 tab.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/
 

A couple of poor drafts combined with the Chip spending spree and there you go. We also resigned a lot of guys last offseason. Now a lot can change between now and then.  I don't expect us to be down there forever.

As for 2018, you'll notice it says we have 50 contracts that run through then. That's why the cap space is so low. There will be adjustments.

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11 hours ago, Deamon said:

Check out our 2018 Cap space.  How did this happen?

Click on 2018 tab.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/
 

As a casual fan this is one of the things I don't get too far involved with. Every year there's teams who are close or over etc and they seem to end up finding a way. The Saints come to mind a few years back. They were over the cap and still sighed Byrd to the richest deal for a FS ever. 

Out of all the things, our cap is what I trust Howie with the most. We'll be just fine and he'll erase those mistakes Chip made too. 

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19 hours ago, Deamon said:

Check out our 2018 Cap space.  How did this happen?

Click on 2018 tab.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/
 

i learned this playing Madden. Had to make some cuts across the board. Not sure what Howie's plan will be

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12 hours ago, need2know said:

Lmao at the cowboyz

yup, they don't give an F. worst part about that too is they have some expensive contracts coming up in the next couple of years if i remember correctly

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8 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

As a casual fan this is one of the things I don't get too far involved with. Every year there's teams who are close or over etc and they seem to end up finding a way. The Saints come to mind a few years back. They were over the cap and still sighed Byrd to the richest deal for a FS ever. 

Out of all the things, our cap is what I trust Howie with the most. We'll be just fine and he'll erase those mistakes Chip made too. 

Hmm, not sure the saints of the past several years are exactly the model of How to run a franchise.

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9 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

Hmm, not sure the saints of the past several years are exactly the model of How to run a franchise.

I think his point is teams seem to push the cap envelope and still find a way to sign the guys they need.  If there's one thing Howie knows inside and out, it's the cap. He has a plan for that I guarantee you.

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10 hours ago, modogg said:

yup, they don't give an F. worst part about that too is they have some expensive contracts coming up in the next couple of years if i remember correctly

Not to be a wet blanket, but they'll free up $19mil if they move on from Romo.

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2 hours ago, jasvic said:

Not to be a wet blanket, but they'll free up $19mil if they move on from Romo.

yeah and I think they have to. I think it points more to getting that immediate gratification and not a long term view. They kind of lucked out with Dak being as good as he was, if not you have to think Romo is on their books for at least another couple of years.

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On 2/16/2017 at 9:00 AM, need2know said:

Lmao at the cowboyz

I would take the Dallas team and their cap issues over the Philly team and their upcoming cap issues. Dallas has learned to dance around that number for years, but with great drafts and not buying the big FAs, getting to the best place in a long time in the next year or so.

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On 2/13/2017 at 0:42 PM, Bigboy10182000 said:

We're overthinking this. If Jeffery hits the FA market he's a must have. Hell with all these "maybe" upgrades. He HAVE to have a solid WR. It's a must. 

How's he a must have? There's major concerns about this guys work ethic and being a prima donna in the locker room. He's a positive test away from Missing 10 games and has missed more then half the games he should've played in the last 2 years. He wants top money and he'd take out or whole cap for this year not allowing us to sign other needs. I might be in the minority but I think Jeffrey is severely overrated. If this Eagles team was the 04 Team I'd have zero problem getting Jeffrey but we're not there yet on finding the final piece to get over the hump yet. 

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On 2/13/2017 at 3:38 PM, The Noid said:

I think Ross with the 14/15 pick would be a reach for need and not BPA. And we've seen how that worked out recently with Marcus Smith. Ross is only a year removed from a torn ACL and has to get shoulder surgery after the combine. At 5'11", 170, with that injury history, it's a big risk to take him that high. 

 

I agree however I'd prefer a shutdown CB in the draft at the pick or Cook. We already have enough former high round WRs. Get me a vet or two on the cheap and see what they can do. One of the big problems IMHO with the WRs is they don't have the wiley vet who's had success in his career to help these guys. I'd have no problem signing a bit older player to help them out and one young guy. Howie said a few spots will need stop gaps and we can't fill all holes this offseason which he's right so we need stop gaps. 

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Kupp is working out with Wentz. That's interesting. 

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On 2/16/2017 at 6:42 AM, GoBirds said:

Giving out big deals to everyone that got their feelings hurt by Chip. 

It's not that bad. Barwin will be gone by then, Kelce is either gone this offseason or next, Chase may or may not be here or they restructure his deal and Celek will be gone as well. You'll have others either cut or traded as well. NFL rosters are the biggest year to year changes in sports which is why in the NFL a team can go from being dead last to a playoff team with the rich decision making. Remember Chip made half a new roster in 2015. 

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3 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

How's he a must have?

Nelson Aghlor

DGB

Jordan Matthews

Paul Turner

Bryce Treggs

Thats how. Advanced stats had that as the worst group in th NFL. 

The 04 thing really doesn't apply here. We went 7-9 with a rookie HC and QB, while facing the best schedule in the league with the worst WR's and CB's in football. We are a LOT closer than you're leading on. We have two huge gaping holes and they need stability. Every name besides Jeffery is not stability at all. It's a penny in a well

 

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Geoff Mosher laid out a decent plan that at first seemed crazy but it grew on me a bit.

First Oline, if Peters doesn't take a paycut, let him go. Move Lane to LT. Cut or trade Kelce. Seomalu to Center. Sign Ronald Leary at guard. Sign a RT cast off to compete with Vaitai.

Second, trade Jordan Matthews for a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Sign Victor Cruz to be the slot for a year or 2. Draft or sign outside WRs that can go deep. His reasoning is that Matthews is going to ask for a contract better than Tavon Austin's. So something like 5 yr, $50+mil. That's just not worth it for a slot WR.

Seems crazy on the surface but pretty decent idea for the cap.

http://www.4phillysports.com/single-post/2017/02/17/Three-Risky-Moves-The-Eagles-Can-Make-This-Offseason

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9 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Nelson Aghlor

DGB

Jordan Matthews

Paul Turner

Bryce Treggs

Thats how. Advanced stats had that as the worst group in th NFL. 

The 04 thing really doesn't apply here. We went 7-9 with a rookie HC and QB, while facing the best schedule in the league with the worst WR's and CB's in football. We are a LOT closer than you're leading on. We have two huge gaping holes and they need stability. Every name besides Jeffery is not stability at all. It's a penny in a well

 

My problem is Jeffrey would take a huge amount of cap space and with possible work ethic issues is he really a guy we want with our young WRs? I'll take a guy a little less talented as a stop gap then bring in a guy who has some a lot of red flags and take a huge amount of our cap. 

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5 hours ago, Insein said:

Geoff Mosher laid out a decent plan that at first seemed crazy but it grew on me a bit.

First Oline, if Peters doesn't take a paycut, let him go. Move Lane to LT. Cut or trade Kelce. Seomalu to Center. Sign Ronald Leary at guard. Sign a RT cast off to compete with Vaitai.

Second, trade Jordan Matthews for a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Sign Victor Cruz to be the slot for a year or 2. Draft or sign outside WRs that can go deep. His reasoning is that Matthews is going to ask for a contract better than Tavon Austin's. So something like 5 yr, $50+mil. That's just not worth it for a slot WR.

Seems crazy on the surface but pretty decent idea for the cap.

http://www.4phillysports.com/single-post/2017/02/17/Three-Risky-Moves-The-Eagles-Can-Make-This-Offseason

I want nothing to do with Victor Cruz at this time. Very injury prone. Maybe 5 yrs ago yes but not now. 

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20 hours ago, Slider said:

Kupp is working out with Wentz. That's interesting. 

That is interesting. Wentz is a workaholic, which is good. He needs smarter WRs with hands. Glad Miami is dumber and plans to resign Stills. Forget Jeffrey as well. He'll just end up hurt as always.

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6 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

I want nothing to do with Victor Cruz at this time. Very injury prone. Maybe 5 yrs ago yes but not now. 

I agree on the surface. But looking at his stats in the limited time he played, I think he'd be a fine stop gap for a year. Plus he's be way cheaper than JMatt. If he gets hurt, we have other slot WRs. It's the easier WR position to fill and we don't want to invest huge into that spot.

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1 hour ago, Insein said:

I agree on the surface. But looking at his stats in the limited time he played, I think he'd be a fine stop gap for a year. Plus he's be way cheaper than JMatt. If he gets hurt, we have other slot WRs. It's the easier WR position to fill and we don't want to invest huge into that spot.

Cruz would be a total waste of money. He had stats because they threw a ton and OBJ pulled double coverage. He still got benched. There's no one pulling a safety here and he's not beating any#1 or 2 CB.

Britt would be a decent signing now that we have the coach that got the most out of him.

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1 hour ago, Slider said:

Cruz would be a total waste of money. He had stats because they threw a ton and OBJ pulled double coverage. He still got benched. There's no one pulling a safety here and he's not beating any#1 or 2 CB.

Britt would be a decent signing now that we have the coach that got the most out of him.

Well if not Cruz, then Turner, or DGB or whoever. The point is, they can't pay Jordan Matthews. So trade him now.

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Jordan would be fine once we get a true outside guy. He's no #1 but he could be very productive here if we sign a guy for the outside and draft one. 

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3 hours ago, Slider said:

Jordan would be fine once we get a true outside guy. He's no #1 but he could be very productive here if we sign a guy for the outside and draft one. 

Sign a guy on the outside for Big money? And then pay Matthews big money? I don't like it. Matthews is a slot guy. You don't pay slot guys big money unless they're name is Wes Welker and even then it wasnt $11m per year.

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15 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

My problem is Jeffrey would take a huge amount of cap space and with possible work ethic issues is he really a guy we want with our young WRs? I'll take a guy a little less talented as a stop gap then bring in a guy who has some a lot of red flags and take a huge amount of our cap. 

Dude any good Wr is going to get a nice amount of money. We are not paying any QB, RB or WR money right now. Paying one will not make a difference. 

And the last thing i am worried about is a mentor for our young WRs. 

If we had a top 20-25 WR you and I wouldn't even be having this conversation. I wouldn't want Jeffery at all. As it stands now he's a must. 

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4 hours ago, Slider said:

Jordan would be fine once we get a true outside guy. He's no #1 but he could be very productive here if we sign a guy for the outside and draft one. 

What would you say Jordan does well to believe he could be very productive? 

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5 hours ago, Insein said:

Well if not Cruz, then Turner, or DGB or whoever. The point is, they can't pay Jordan Matthews. So trade him now.

I'd be ok with this but I honestly I wouldn't be expecting a lot in return. IMO he's pretty limited. 

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28 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

What would you say Jordan does well to believe he could be very productive? 

Seems 90-1150 is within reach if they get an outside guy. The O line will be better and Wentz should be too. Could even have a better run game. 

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1 hour ago, Insein said:

Sign a guy on the outside for Big money? And then pay Matthews big money? I don't like it. Matthews is a slot guy. You don't pay slot guys big money unless they're name is Wes Welker and even then it wasnt $11m per year.

The market will set his price. 

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1 minute ago, Slider said:

The market will set his price. 

And his agent will start at Tavon Austin money. He has more production and he's younger.

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That's fine, we'll free up a good bit of cap. If you don't sign Matthews you'll need three WR's.

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11 hours ago, Insein said:

I agree on the surface. But looking at his stats in the limited time he played, I think he'd be a fine stop gap for a year. Plus he's be way cheaper than JMatt. If he gets hurt, we have other slot WRs. It's the easier WR position to fill and we don't want to invest huge into that spot.

Like someone else said that was more because OBJ was drawing double coverage. He was then benched after awhile for Sheppard and others. 

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4 hours ago, Insein said:

Sign a guy on the outside for Big money? And then pay Matthews big money? I don't like it. Matthews is a slot guy. You don't pay slot guys big money unless they're name is Wes Welker and even then it wasnt $11m per year.

The thing is Austin's contract really F'ed things up. Matthews is a way better overall player then Austin who's one trick pony. Return specialist and guy good for Reverses and trick plays. 

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Sign Britt, draft a guy in the 1st or 2nd.  BPA still in the 1st, but I'm hoping a great CB is there.  

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On 2/19/2017 at 5:30 PM, Bigboy10182000 said:

Dude any good Wr is going to get a nice amount of money. We are not paying any QB, RB or WR money right now. Paying one will not make a difference. 

And the last thing i am worried about is a mentor for our young WRs. 

If we had a top 20-25 WR you and I wouldn't even be having this conversation. I wouldn't want Jeffery at all. As it stands now he's a must. 

Again I'm not a fan of Jeffrey. I see him as the same light as a TO character wise but less talented. I've been following him since his college days and there's always been talks about his work ethic and all. I just think signing Jeffrey we'd have buyers remorse in similar fashion we have had with Nnamdia and the other CBs but this time at WR. I'm fine going with stop gap WRs because we can't upgrade every position like we can on the tight cap space we already have. We need to be smart with the cap we have right now. I'm just not a Jeffrey fan at all. 

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