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I'm on the wrong side of 40 and play basketball once a week. A few weeks ago when I woke up the day after playing, my knee really hurt, mostly when walking. I waited about 5 days and it still hurt so I went to the dr. He stretched it this way and that and none of it hurt. Only when I got off the table and walked. He said it wasn't a structural issue and suggested I be more diligent with the Advil every 4 hours. It would alleviate the pain and any internal swelling. As luck would have it, I felt 80% better the next day and felt like I wasted my time and money going to the dr. 

Ive been back to playing the past couple weeks and although not as intense, the pain is always there for the next 3-4 days or even longer. Has anyone experienced something similar before? Any idea if a brace or those sleeve type things would help with this? Although I'm getting to the point where minor aches and pains can happen, this can't be normal. 

 
I'm on the wrong side of 40 and play basketball once a week. A few weeks ago when I woke up the day after playing, my knee really hurt, mostly when walking. I waited about 5 days and it still hurt so I went to the dr. He stretched it this way and that and none of it hurt. Only when I got off the table and walked. He said it wasn't a structural issue and suggested I be more diligent with the Advil every 4 hours. It would alleviate the pain and any internal swelling. As luck would have it, I felt 80% better the next day and felt like I wasted my time and money going to the dr. 

Ive been back to playing the past couple weeks and although not as intense, the pain is always there for the next 3-4 days or even longer. Has anyone experienced something similar before? Any idea if a brace or those sleeve type things would help with this? Although I'm getting to the point where minor aches and pains can happen, this can't be normal. 
Are playing on a different surface then you're use to?

 
Welcome to the club. #### hurts after 40.

Ice, lose weight, strengthen everything equally and work on core and balance. 

Play as long as you can. 

 
Just an ordinary hardwood gym floor....same as I've always played on. 

Just what I was hoping to not read.  :kicksrock:
Sorry man :lol:

Don't stop playing though.

In my experience #### just hurts but I play as often as I can and try and ice afterwards every time. 

Dont guard the crazy guy who plays out of control and pick your spots for maximum effort.

 
You didn't mention swelling (maybe bursitis if that was the case), so it's likely wear-and-tear. Do some isometrics if it worries you - that'll at least strengthen the muscles around the knee.

 
You didn't mention swelling (maybe bursitis if that was the case), so it's likely wear-and-tear. Do some isometrics if it worries you - that'll at least strengthen the muscles around the knee.
I'll have to look into that. No visible swelling. Im not worried per se, just don't enjoy perpetual pain.  :D

 
47 and can't imagine playing basketball. If I did play it would have to a game where everyone agreed that jumping is not allowed.

Don't think I've jumped for any reason in 5 years. 

 
Couple things:

1. Go on youtube and type in "jeff cavaliere knee." Little background on Cavaliere: He was the head physical therapist and assistant strength coach for the NY Mets for a few years about a decade ago. I personally like watching his videos and have incorporated a number of stretches/drills/mobility movements/other workout stuff that I saw from some of his videos. He may have something that could help. He personally has bad knees and isn't a spring chicken either.

2. You could go the knee sleeve route. I've tried copper fit before myself, but my experiences/issues are likely different from your problems. There are likely better sleeves out there, so I'd shop around a bit and check out reviews and things of that nature. I'm not an expert on knee sleeves and the overall effectiveness of them, but I'd look into them and possibly give them a shot if something peaks your interest.

3. What kind of doctor did you see? An orthopedist? Some other type of specialist? Family doctor? 

I'm no expert, so maybe someone else out there could shed some more light. Just some thoughts+questions to think about+consider. Good luck! Hope it feels better and you find some relief!

P.S. Just came across this article: http://www.runnersworld.com/injury-treatment/can-supplements-cure-your-knee-pain

Runners talk, fuss, and worry about knee pain all the time, and when pain strikes, we often turn to glucosamine/chondroitin. A recent Internet poll at runnersworld.com showed that 94.5 percent of respondents said they had tried one of the supplements. What's more, 79.8 percent reported that their symptoms "somewhat improved" or "greatly improved" after taking glucosamine and/or chondroitin. Less than one percent reported that "things got worse" with the supplements.

In a world that's often 50/50, this amounts to almost miracle proportions. So much so that I'm skeptical. At the same time, I can't help but be impressed by the pile of testimonials on my desk from runners who swear by glucosamine/chondroitin supplements.

It makes you wonder how two innocent-seeming pills could have such dramatic power. Glucosamine and chondroitin both occur naturally in the human body, but most commercial glucosamine comes from the chitin, or exo-skeleton, of shellfish, and most commercial chondroitin from cow or shark cartilage. Both have relatively low rates of absorption from the intestines, and yet both are said to promote healing of the articular cartilage in joints. It's the wearing away of this cartilage that causes the pain and inflammation of osteoarthritis.

Why does knee cartilage wear out? "If I could answer that, I'd have a Nobel Prize in medicine," says Wake Forest osteoarthritis expert Stephen Messier, Ph.D., a nine-time marathoner and six-day-a-week runner. Sometimes, trauma from a football injury, skiing accident, or other mishap can lead to osteoarthritis, but so can overuse of a joint in individuals who are susceptible to such overuse. Messier points out that there are no studies showing that running causes, or doesn't cause, osteoarthritis. The problem: All existing studies are cross-sectional studies. These can only provide a snapshot of a given group of runners at a given time, and can't account for injured runners who might have stopped running prior to the snapshot. It will take a prospective study--a long-running video, rather than a snapshot--to prove or disprove the running-osteoarthritis connection.

The medical literature in support of glucosamine/chondroitin is cautiously positive, though some observers are concerned that many of the studies have been funded by supplement manufacturers. This is particularly true in Europe, where the supplements are big-business prescription medications.

A recent meta-analysis of studies involving glucosamine sulfate and chondroitin sulfate (the most common forms of the supplements) to treat knee osteoarthritis was published in the July 14, 2003, issue of The Archives of Internal Medicine. This paper reviewed the best studies from 1980 to 2002, and concluded: "Our results demonstrated a highly significant efficacy of glucosamine on all outcomes, including joint space narrowing." The paper also found chondroitin "effective" on several outcomes measures, and added, "Safety was excellent for both compounds."

While several other meta-analyses have reached similar conclusions, most experts in the field believe the jury is still out. They're eagerly awaiting the results from the large-sample National Institute of Health's GAIT (Glucosamine/Chondroitin Arthritis Intervention Trial) study, due for publication this fall.

My favorite glucosamine study involved a group of Navy SEALS, and was published in a military medical journal in 1999. The SEALS were younger (average age: 43) and much more active than your typical person with knee osteoarthritis, so I figure they come closer to mimicking the stresses that runners face. Indeed, the study authors noted: "Osteoarthritis is not unexpected in this occupational setting, given the history of high levels of activity and trauma."

The SEALS all suffered from knee osteoarthritis before beginning the double-blind, randomized, 16-week study. Half of them took a supplement containing glucosamine hydrochloride, chondroitin sulfate, and manganese ascorbate; the other half took a placebo. "The relief of knee discomfort was the most important finding of this study," the researchers concluded. "Knee osteoarthritis symptoms were relieved" for the SEALS who took the supplements, an assessment reached both by questioning the patients and by examining their knees.

Among the testimonial e-mails on my desk, the one from Bruce Truax is typical. A self-described "young 53" and a 15- to 25-mile-a-week runner, Truax tore his meniscus three years ago. When his knee pain persisted, his doctor suggested a glucosamine/chondroitin supplement that gradually helped Truax return to pain-free running. "I've been using the supplement ever since," says Truax. "It's great stuff, and I'm a heavy runner at 245 pounds, so I really work the knees hard."

Orthopedic surgeon Robert Erickson, M.D., of Canton, Ohio, has been taking it as a prophylactic for nearly 10 years. "After my first 25,000 miles of running, I figured I needed all the help I could get for my second lap around the world," says Erickson, who has now reached the 50,000-mile mark. "I don't see any downside to glucosamine. It's relatively harmless, especially when you compare it to the Vioxx-like meds." Erickson has concluded that glucosamine is the more effective of the two compounds, a belief shared by many other experts. It's also much cheaper than chondroitin.

Given all the success stories, it would be wrong not to close on a cautionary note. Glucosamine isn't a miracle pill, and it shouldn't be taken by all runners, not even all runners with knee pain. "Running doesn't cause arthritis, but running can aggravate arthritis, and too many runners are running through pain," says Klaud Miller, M.D., an orthopedic sports medicine specialist in Evanston, Illinois, who has knee arthritis himself, from a wrestling injury. "It's just not smart to continue aggravating your knees when they're telling you to stop."

If you have temporary joint pain, by all means try glucosamine or glucosamine and chondroitin. The products are little regulated in the United States, so go with a respected, big-brand company that produces quality products. This way, you're unlikely to have a bad reaction. Be sure to stick with the program for two to three months, as these are slow-acting supplements.

Don't use glucosamine/chondroitin to push through the pain barrier, however. That could lead you down the road to permanent damage. Run sane, not sorry. It's more important to preserve your knees than your running.
Check out some supplements. Lot of helpful stuff out there. Onnit.com has some cool stuff. Other stores as well. Can definitely help with relief. 

 
Without seeking additional medical advice the option that gives you the best long term outlook would probably be not playing basketball for several weeks and focusing on strength training and core/balance work. Possibly cleaning up the diet and losing some weight too. Short term would suck and it may not work though. 

 
I'm on the wrong side of 40 and play basketball once a week. A few weeks ago when I woke up the day after playing, my knee really hurt, mostly when walking. I waited about 5 days and it still hurt so I went to the dr. He stretched it this way and that and none of it hurt. Only when I got off the table and walked. He said it wasn't a structural issue and suggested I be more diligent with the Advil every 4 hours. It would alleviate the pain and any internal swelling. As luck would have it, I felt 80% better the next day and felt like I wasted my time and money going to the dr. 

Ive been back to playing the past couple weeks and although not as intense, the pain is always there for the next 3-4 days or even longer. Has anyone experienced something similar before? Any idea if a brace or those sleeve type things would help with this? Although I'm getting to the point where minor aches and pains can happen, this can't be normal. 
Welcome to the over 40 club.  That's just how life is now.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WzEhoyXpqzQ

 
When was the last time you got new shoes?

When my knees start to hurt it's usually time for new shoes.

 
Sounds like you tweaked it.  Once you get to a certain age and you're active you're always going to be dealing with aches and pain. I currently have a right big toe issue and a right elbow issue. Those are the major ones. Knees hurt if I run sporadically as opposed to regularly. I hurt the elbow turning over in bed one night a few weeks ago. Right big toe is from running shoes not fitting right (#### you Asics gel nimbus 18's). Lower left side of back hurting. Pretty sure i need glasses too. Balls hurt last night. Good news is it only gets worse.

 
Mr.Pack said:
When was the last time you got new shoes?

When my knees start to hurt it's usually time for new shoes.
Actually I thought the issue could have been because I did get new shoes. I kind of disregarded that because I used them for about a month before the pain started. 

 
I experienced similar discomfort in my knee when playing basketball in my 30's.

What worked for me was a simple patella strap like this...  https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000F5R4R2/ref=pd_gwm_simh_0?pf_rd_p=1c5f02ae-183e-4906-990b-5a293310a66c&pf_rd_s=blackjack-personal-1&pf_rd_t=Gateway&pf_rd_i=mobile&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=34YG295BNXBJQ5C4AS6R&pf_rd_r=34YG295BNXBJQ5C4AS6R&pf_rd_p=1c5f02ae-183e-4906-990b-5a293310a66c#

Seems that direct pressure right there below the kneecap eleviates a lot of pain. Same concept as the strap worn for tennis elbow.

At 51 I have retired from weekly basketball but still wear these when I will be climbing any stairs or standing for long periods.

I got a 3 pack on Amazon for like $8.03.and gave one to my daughter. 

 
What's the rest of your exercise routine like? I'm in the work on core and overall strength camp along with supplements and home care. As a fortysomething runner, I think the age thing is a crutch. There are a lot of other factors.

 
Just had miniscus surgery in November on my left knee  

42, cross fit and an ice hockey goalie. My knees hate my ###  

Im just getting back into both this week. Surgery went smooth, no real recovery time, just PT 2x per week. 

Praying things go well once back to playing and my flexibility isn't messed with. 

Go for an MRI. it's the only way to really tell what's going on in there. GL! 

 
I experienced similar discomfort in my knee when playing basketball in my 30's.

What worked for me was a simple patella strap like this...  https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000F5R4R2/ref=pd_gwm_simh_0?pf_rd_p=1c5f02ae-183e-4906-990b-5a293310a66c&pf_rd_s=blackjack-personal-1&pf_rd_t=Gateway&pf_rd_i=mobile&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=34YG295BNXBJQ5C4AS6R&pf_rd_r=34YG295BNXBJQ5C4AS6R&pf_rd_p=1c5f02ae-183e-4906-990b-5a293310a66c#

Seems that direct pressure right there below the kneecap eleviates a lot of pain. Same concept as the strap worn for tennis elbow.

At 51 I have retired from weekly basketball but still wear these when I will be climbing any stairs or standing for long periods.

I got a 3 pack on Amazon for like $8.03.and gave one to my daughter. 
 I agree with this. I'm an "older" runner that started experiencing similar knee pain about a year ago. I went with the type shown in B & J's link that has two adjustable straps (the black one shown at the bottom). I wear it while running and apply a hot pack to the area after stretching after a run. 

 
Basketball is a very rough sport on knees. As we age, cartilage gets thinner and with high impact sports, that can accelerate it to where many need knee replacements later on. Why not partake in low impact sports like swimming, doubles tennis... ? Popping NSAIDS routinely is hard on the liver. It may very well be that you need to switch your choice of exercise.

 
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Pical pain is pretty normal as you get older. Minor miniscus tears. Not worth surgery. Doc just told me to do stretches at my desk hourly and gave me a few daily exercises to do to keep the muscles loose. Basically he said my damage comes from my hamstrings being to tight (I am about as flexible as a bowling ball) and it ends up messing up the muscles round the knee. So, after the shot in the knee to reduce the swelling, it's stretches and strength exercises for the legs. Welcome to old age (his words, not mine).

 
Pical pain is pretty normal as you get older. Minor miniscus tears. Not worth surgery. Doc just told me to do stretches at my desk hourly and gave me a few daily exercises to do to keep the muscles loose. Basically he said my damage comes from my hamstrings being to tight (I am about as flexible as a bowling ball) and it ends up messing up the muscles round the knee. So, after the shot in the knee to reduce the swelling, it's stretches and strength exercises for the legs. Welcome to old age (his words, not mine).
Obviously I dont want surgery, but this cant be normal. Although not terribly noticeable, I still limp and I havent played basketball in 16 days. Definitely could be a minicus tear and the doc did also mention the hamstring. 

 
For all the people who don't like gluccosamine/MSM/chron combo...try Cissus stacked with fish oil. Top joint products imo.

 
Obviously I dont want surgery, but this cant be normal. Although not terribly noticeable, I still limp and I havent played basketball in 16 days. Definitely could be a minicus tear and the doc did also mention the hamstring. 
It has been about five or six weeks for me and I still haven't gone back to running. Staying strictly low to no impact. Using an elliptical for the first time in my life. Every once in awhile, I will get a stabbing pain in my knee. He said yep, that'll happen. He's pretty anti-surgery though. Tries to avoid it at all cost.

 
Osteoarthritis... sucks getting old.  Fat and old only makes it worse.  Fat, old and a history of knee surgeries is a no-parole sentence.

 
GL CJW, I have been there.  I have arthritis and a possible meniscus tear in my left knee. MRI inconclusive and the only way to tell if surgery will help is to have surgery. I am waiting.  Running mileage is about 15 per week after spending a few years averaging 50+.   I am 53 and looking at a knee replacement in 5-10 years.

 

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