Ghost Rider
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Divisional Round: Steelers at Chiefs discussion (1 Viewer)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Seems just a touch premature. Might wanna wait until the body is cold?
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ben wearing a boot...look at the replay, lot of weight and impact right on that ankle. No way he is 100% next week. Twice vs Miami Ben ends up gimpy after. Seemed needless for him to be in the game.
I'm laying KC and the points whatever they are.
I'm laying KC and the points whatever they are.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
If they can play like the "good" Steelers that showed up today and not just mailing it in, I feel Pitt can beat the Pats, thus anybody really. I don't see any scenario where KC can beat the Pats.
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Deamon
Footballguy
Pitt opened as 2.5 point favourites, but now KC is favoured by 1. Seen it as a pickem on many others.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Did not see this. Change my mind. NE beats KC anyway and a hobbled Ben (as usual in the playoffs). KC wins next week if the ankle lasts to gametime.
If Ben is at 80% or better health, I like Pittsburgh. If not, KC wins before getting trashed by NE in the conference title game.
IMO- Pittsburgh is the only AFC team with a prayer to beat New England, and that is dependent on a nearly fully healthy Ben, which seems highly unlikely.
IMO- Pittsburgh is the only AFC team with a prayer to beat New England, and that is dependent on a nearly fully healthy Ben, which seems highly unlikely.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I like KC in this game too. That's the best defense in the playoffs and it's not close. And the offense is all wrinkles - they do so many things well in all phases of the game.
KC/NEP would be the best game, too so that's how I'm rooting.
KC/NEP would be the best game, too so that's how I'm rooting.
fightingillini
Footballguy
Bell will need to over 150 and 2 scores for PIT to overcome Ben's struggles on the road....and at less than 100% health.
KC doesn't score enough to run away so this will be a close game. But it's always tough to win at Arrowhead.
KC 20-17.
KC doesn't score enough to run away so this will be a close game. But it's always tough to win at Arrowhead.
KC 20-17.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Don't underestimate Andy Reids ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
irish eyes
Footballguy
Not worried about kc offense, 2 yard passes not hard to defend.
FUBAR
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I think the Steelers best is better than the Chiefs best, but the Steelers best is almost never on the road, and Andy Reid's teams, if I heard it right earlier, are 19-2 after a bye.
I'm a Steelers fan and already shaking in my boots over the prospect of Mike Mitchell (or half a dozen other secondary guys) trying to tackle Tyreek Hill. He is the difference maker, along with the home-field advantage. Ben's injury just adds to my pessimism. Although I do believe what the earlier poster said that the Steelers best game beats KCs best game, should they both play that well.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
It will be a close game. That's all I can predict.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Steelers D has been for real in terms of yards, points, sacks, etc. for the last couple months. Depending on Ben, and I'm assuming he is 70-80% for the next game, this could be close or lopsided in favor of either team. Arrowhead is tough, and the Chiefs are a very good team defensively. Who protects their QB best should be the name of this game. Either QB can melt down if beaten on, but I only expect one of those two to be able to take over and will out a win. I just don't give that QB as much chance to do that in the noise of KC at less than full strength, no less. Pittsburgh's best chance is to get on the scoreboard early and try to take away some crowd noise. KC needs to cause turnovers.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
See, I'm more afraid of Mitchell killing our other DBs while trying to tackle Tyreek.
Islanders rule
Footballguy
Two comments: 1. Tomlin should have pulled Ben with 18 point lead and under 5 min. to go. 2. Why would Denver Bronco's want Vance Joseph as their head coach when Miami was ranked 29th in 2016 on Defense? ( rooney rule interview ? ). Look at what the Steelers did to Josephs' Miami Defense today. I hope WE ( Denver ) signs Kyle Shanahan as Head Coach!
Islanders rule
Footballguy
Prediction: Pitt. 27. K.C.: 23
No need to pull him out of the game but it's unfathomable how you can call a pass play and expose him to any kind of hit. He should have just been handing off.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
K.C. 20...Pitt 17
pghrob
Hail to the Chief
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
No Joey Porter this week? It's like getting the Midnight Express in their prime without Jim Cornett. Definitely reduces the possibility of Steelers using outside interference. Chiefs bigly.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/steelers-assistant-coach-joey-porter-reportedly-arrested-after-altercation-with-officer-035033801.html
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/steelers-assistant-coach-joey-porter-reportedly-arrested-after-altercation-with-officer-035033801.html
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Lines are currently about evenly split between Chiefs -1 and Chiefs -1.5 -- I think that it's pretty close to a coin flip personally, unless Roethlisberger's ankle is really pretty bad. Chiefs have been pretty vulnerable against the run, and Bell has been dominant lately.
steelers1080
Footballguy
This game is going to be Leveon Bell vs Tyreek Hill. The Steelers, mostly Big Ben, aren't as good on the road. They'll have to do everything through Bell, especially if Ben is hurt. And KC has a fairly weak offense, but their special teams are beastly. I bet Bell and Hill both have 2 TDs in this game but KC wins on a Big Ben pick.
KC: 21 Pitt: 17
KC: 21 Pitt: 17
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Super Bowl 51 Odds
TEAM OPENING ODDS WEEK 1 CURRENT ODDS
New England Patriots 8-1 6-1 3-2
Dallas Cowboys 14-1 25-1 9-2
Atlanta Falcons 40-1 80-1 6
Pittsburgh Steelers 8-1 10-1 8
Kansas City Chiefs 20-1 20-1 8
Green Bay Packers 10-1 8-1 10
Seattle Seahawks 8-1 8-1 10
Houston Texans 40-1 16-1 40
Interesting. I wouldn't argue too much with the AFC side, but not sure about the NFC. I know that the Cowboys and Falcons have homefield this week, but I think that the Packers and Hawks might just be better teams. Certainly they have playoff experience on their side, which counts for a lot IMO.
TEAM OPENING ODDS WEEK 1 CURRENT ODDS
New England Patriots 8-1 6-1 3-2
Dallas Cowboys 14-1 25-1 9-2
Atlanta Falcons 40-1 80-1 6
Pittsburgh Steelers 8-1 10-1 8
Kansas City Chiefs 20-1 20-1 8
Green Bay Packers 10-1 8-1 10
Seattle Seahawks 8-1 8-1 10
Houston Texans 40-1 16-1 40
Interesting. I wouldn't argue too much with the AFC side, but not sure about the NFC. I know that the Cowboys and Falcons have homefield this week, but I think that the Packers and Hawks might just be better teams. Certainly they have playoff experience on their side, which counts for a lot IMO.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Wow, wish I'd bet on Atlanta. 80-1.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I think KC's biggest problem would be if Pitt got out to a more than 1 possession lead early. I don't see them as being a great comeback team. I do like KC's chances in a close game--or in a game where kc gets up early. Because I do see the game as being close--I think KC wins.
Boone22
Footballguy
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Ben Roethlisberger's ankle injury "checked out okay."
Big Ben said he hurt his ankle on the second-to-last play of the game in the Wild Card win over the Dolphins. It's not believed to be serious in any way, and he might not even be listed on the injury report this week. Roethlisberger will be under center when the Steelers travel to Arrowhead on Sunday.
Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Jan 9 - 9:13 AM
Big Ben said he hurt his ankle on the second-to-last play of the game in the Wild Card win over the Dolphins. It's not believed to be serious in any way, and he might not even be listed on the injury report this week. Roethlisberger will be under center when the Steelers travel to Arrowhead on Sunday.
Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Jan 9 - 9:13 AM
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is the game of the week in my opinion.
fightingillini
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think New England wins in a blowout.
I also think Dallas is going to own Green Bay. The Giants are deeply flawed team that got exposed. Green Bay is nowhere near as good on defense is they looked against the pathetic Giants offense. Not only can Dallas run the ball, they can do so incredibly effectively. Green Bay's going to have no answer for that, or the legitimate play action threat it will create. And the Giants defense had some serious lapses that alllowed GB to boat race them. The Hail Mary was pathetic - you just can't let a player get behind you like that and fail to knock down the ball. IMO that play sealed the game. Giants never looked the same after that.
Atlanta/Seattle is probably the one NFC match up I'm looking forward to, but that game could get ugly in a hurry for either one of those teams.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Dallas' pass defense isn't good. I agree that GB probably won't be able to stop the Dallas running game, but Dallas won't be able to stop Rodgers either. Whoever has the ball last is probably going to win.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dallas best answer to Rodgers is playing keep away, which they do exceedingly well.
Not to mention they can now go to school on the Giants defense and what they did to the Packers in the first half.
as a lifelong Cowboys hater, I'm saying this through gritted teeth, but I think Dallas wins this game easily.
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Nope. These are playoff teams. And good ones at that. Smart coaches, and players who can execute what they're told. Tyreek will be seeing minimal chances to return kicks/punts the rest of the way.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Key will be Dallas sustaining long drives, keep Rodgers off the field. They have the perfect personnel to do that and run clock.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I think he'll get some opportunities on kick returns. I'm hoping on punt returns, they can keep it away from him.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
And Ben has never had Bell and Brown at his disposal during the playoffs. If Green is back, this offense is a matchup nightmare for any team. Ben does have to limit the mistakes though.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The Chiefs defense is a slight upgrade over the Dolphins.
and by "slight" I mean "night and day".
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
The way Rodgers has played down the stretch, IMO GB isn't likely to be an easy out for anyone, much less a team that has struggled to stop the pass as much as Dallas has. I won't be surprised at all if Dallas wins, but I will be surprised if they run away with it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No Jordy, Montgomery banged up with the knee injury, GB also got banged up on defense.
And Dallas is at home, fresh and rested after a week off.
I would love a close competitive game, but I'm thinking 38-20
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I'm aware of that. The Steelers offense may still pose a matchup nightmare against one of the better defenses in the league. They are simply that talented. They just don't always play up to the level of talent.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
The Chiefs were 24th in yards allowed and 26th against the run -- they live and die based on creating turnovers. If Ben is 100% and can protect the ball (iffy, obviously) Pittsburgh will win going away. IMO it's more likely that he coughs it up a time or two and we get a dogfight.
