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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (3 Viewers)

Mueller definitely already has her emails from the transition period. The government agency that hosted them already turned them over because everyone on the transition team signed something at the outset that acknowledged that those emails were not private.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Mueller definitely already has her emails from the transition period. The government agency that hosted them already turned them over because everyone on the transition team signed something at the outset that acknowledged that those emails were not private.
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Given how long these guys were under investigation before they realized it, I think it's a reasonable bet he has everything any of them e-mailed or texted.  Plus plenty of audio.

 
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Yashar Ali  ?‏Verified account @yashar

NEW: Trump Spoke to Witnesses About Matters They Discussed With Special Counsel. @maggieNYT @nytmike scoop

WASHINGTON — The special counsel in the Russia investigation has learned of two conversations in recent months in which President Trump asked key witnesses about matters they discussed with investigators, according to three people familiar with the encounters.

In one episode, the president told an aide that the White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, should issue a statement denying a New York Times article in January. The article said Mr. McGahn told investigators that the president once asked him to fire the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III. Mr. McGahn never released a statement and later had to remind the president that he had indeed asked Mr. McGahn to see that Mr. Mueller was dismissed, the people said.

In the other episode, Mr. Trump asked his former chief of staff, Reince Priebus, how his interview had gone with the special counsel’s investigators and whether they had been “nice,” according to two people familiar with the discussion.

The episodes demonstrate that even as the special counsel investigation appears to be intensifying, the president has ignored his lawyers’ advice to avoid doing anything publicly or privately that could create the appearance of interfering with it.
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The Indestructible said:
Yashar Ali  ?‏Verified account @yashar

NEW: Trump Spoke to Witnesses About Matters They Discussed With Special Counsel. @maggieNYT @nytmike scoop

....the president has ignored his lawyers’ advice to avoid doing anything publicly or privately that could create the appearance of interfering with it.
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Because he's a person of subnormal intelligence.

 
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Bucky86 said:
Seth Abramson

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BREAKING: Hicks Says Her Campaign and Personal Email Accounts Were Hacked (Obvious question: if important campaign or personal emails were permanently deleted—or if there's an email Hicks wants to disavow—will she somehow say this "hack" was the culprit?)
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Just crazy.
 

Under relatively routine questioning from Rep. Jim Himes, D-Conn., about her correspondence, Hicks indicated that she could no longer access two accounts: one she used as a member of President Donald Trump's campaign team and the other a personal account, according to four people who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the closed meeting of the Intelligence Committee was supposed to remain private.

Hicks, who portrayed herself as not savvy in matters of technology, told lawmakers that one of the accounts was hacked, according to two sources who were in the room. It is unclear if Hicks was referring to the campaign or the personal account.
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- She can't access the accounts? At all? I have a feeling Bob will find a way to access them.

 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
Mueller definitely already has her emails from the transition period. The government agency that hosted them already turned them over because everyone on the transition team signed something at the outset that acknowledged that those emails were not private.
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There's no way that account was hacked. And she claimed that there was a second account that was hacked.

Both accounts were hacked, and they were hacked so extremely well she cannot actually access them anymore. That sounds like a bad hack. Let me say however that Hope's hair is fabulous, it's beautiful and cascading. But Hope is lying about her email accounts IMO.

 
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packersfan said:
I'm old enough to remember when email problems were a really big thing in Trumpland. 
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This is a woman who among other things has a controversy about her possibly suggesting that Don Jr.'s emails on the subject of the Trump Tower meeting would never be discovered. She had better have a Brian Pagliano ready to back up her story, because this sounds like really unusual and near impossible.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
This is a woman who among other things has a controversy about her possibly suggesting that Don Jr.'s emails on the subject of the Trump Tower meeting would never be discovered. She had better have a Brian Pagliano ready to back up her story, because this sounds like really unusual and near impossible.
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She's also (allegedly) Trump's mistress. So there's a whole pile of wrong she's got goin on. 

 
Bucky86 said:
Mueller gathers evidence that 2016 Seychelles meeting was effort to establish back channel to Kremlin

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has gathered evidence that a secret meeting in the Seychelles just before the inauguration of Donald Trump was an effort to establish a back-channel between the incoming administration and the Kremlin — apparently contradicting statements made to lawmakers by one of its participants, according to people familiar with the matter.

In January, 2016, Erik Prince, the founder of the private military company Blackwater, met with a Russian official close to President Vladi­mir Putin, and later described the meeting to congressional investigators as a chance encounter that was not a planned discussion of U.S.-Russia relations.

A witness cooperating with Mueller has told investigators the meeting was set up in advance so that a representative of the Trump transition could meet with an emissary from Moscow to discuss future relations between the two countries, according to the people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.

George Nader, a Lebanese-American business who helped organize and attended the Seychelles meeting, has testified on the matter before a grand jury gathering evidence about discussions between the Trump transition team and emissaries of the Kremlin, as part of Mueller’s investigation into Russian efforts to interfere with the 2016 election.

Nader began cooperating with Mueller after he flew into Dulles Airport in mid-January and was stopped, served with a subpoena and questioned by the FBI, these people said. He has met numerous times with investigators.

Last year, Prince told lawmakers — and the press — that his Seychelles meeting with Kirill Dmitriev, the head of a Russian government-controlled wealth fund, was an unplanned, unimportant encounter that came about by chance because he happened to be at a luxury hotel in the Indian Ocean island nation with officials from the United Arab Emirates.

In his statements, Prince has specifically denied reporting by The Washington Post that the Seychelles meeting, which took place about a week before Trump’s inauguration, was described by U.S., European and Arab officials as part of an effort to establish a back-channel line of communication between Moscow and the incoming administration.

Prince told lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee that he did not plan to meet Dmitriev in the Seychelles, but that once he was there discussing possible business deals with UAE officials, they unexpectedly suggested he visit the hotel bar and meet Dmitriev.

“At the end, one of the entourage says, ‘Hey, by the way, there’s this Russian guy that we’ve dealt with in the past. He’s here also to see someone from the Emirati delegation. And you should meet him, he’d be an interesting guy for you to know, since you’re doing a lot in the oil and gas and mineral space’,” Prince told lawmakers.

The two men, he said, spoke for no more than 30 minutes, or about the time it took him to drink a beer.

“We chatted on topics ranging from oil and commodity prices to how much his country wished for resumption of normal trade relations with the USA,” Prince told lawmakers. “I remember telling him that if Franklin Roosevelt could work with Joseph Stalin to defeat Nazi fascism, then certainly Donald Trump could work with Vladi­mir Putin to defeat Islamic fascism.”

Prince said he went to the Seychelles as a private businessman, not as an official or unofficial emissary from the Trump transition team. During the congressional interview, which got testy at times as Democratic lawmakers pressed him to be more specific in his answers, Prince repeatedly complained that he had reason to believe U.S. intelligence agencies were leaking information about his activities.

Asked to comment on assertions that new evidence appears to contradict his description of the Seychelles meeting, a spokesman for Prince referred to his previous statements to the committee, and declined further comment.

Prince has known Nader for years, and once hired him to try to generate business from the Iraqi government in the years after the U.S. invasion of that country. That effort was not successful, according to Prince’s statements in a subsequent deposition.

Nader, according to current and former officials, was known to Trump transition and administration officials as someone with political connections in the Middle East who could help navigate the tricky diplomacy of the region.

Nader had also attended a December 2016 meeting in New York between senior Trump advisers with the crown prince of Abu Dhabi, Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed al-Nahyan, according to a person familiar with the matter.

While Mueller is probing the circumstances of the Seychelles meeting, he is also more broadly examining apparent efforts by the Trump transition team to create a back-channel for secret talks between the new administration and the Kremlin. Mueller was appointed special counsel to investigate how Russia interfered in the 2016 election, whether any Americans assisted in such efforts, and any other related matters that arise in the course of his probe.

Investigators now suspect the Seychelles meeting may have been one of the first efforts to establish such a line of communications between the two governments, these people said. Nader’s account is considered key evidence — but not the only evidence — about what transpired in the Seychelles, according to people familiar with the matter.

Nader has long served as an adviser to the UAE leadership, and in that role he met more than once with Trump officials, including Stephen K. Bannon and the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, according to people familiar with the matter. After the Seychelles meeting, Nader visited the White House several times, and met at least once there with Bannon and Kushner, these people said.

Nader couldn’t be reached for comment, and his lawyer declined to comment.

Nader — and the Seychelles meeting — are also of interest to Mueller’s team as it examines whether any foreign money or assistance fueled the Trump campaign, and how Trump officials during the transition and early days of the administration communicated with foreign officials, particularly Russians.

Nader’s cooperation with the special counsel was first reported by the New York Times. 

The UAE agreed to broker the meeting in part to explore whether Russia could be persuaded to curtail its relationship with Iran, including in Syria, a Trump administration objective. Such a concession by Moscow would likely require the easing of U.S. sanctions on Russia, which were imposed for its intervention in Ukraine in 2014, those officials said.

Prince had no formal role with the Trump campaign or transition. However, according to persons familiar with the Seychelles meeting, he presented himself as an unofficial envoy for Trump to high-ranking Emiratis involved in setting up his discussion with the Russian official.
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And there's no real point for Mueller to establish a backchannel in front of the grand jury if that's all there is to it. Nader is reported to have testified on 1/19. If all we were talking about was an Erik Prince perjury charge, it seems to me like that have already been done. 

I wonder who the source of the Nader leaks is, though.

 
Mr. Ham said:
Republicans did this to us.  We’re seeing into the layers of compromise of our highest office as Trump wages a reckless trade war on multiple fronts and details of the hush money he paid to a porn star he was screwing while married reach a (pun intended) head.  Any of these things would be the end for any other President.  But he’s cast this spell, assisted by media that mirrors state run channels in dictatorships, amplifying his lies and strangely some people have latched onto a crazy narrative that Trump isn’t an unqualified immoral child that represents the worst in us.  
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Yeah as truly awful as Trump is I blame the Republicans far more for supporting, enabling and condoning him. 

 
timschochet said:
Isn’t this the same guy that pulled all kinds of crap in Iraq? The guy who Jon Voight’s character in Season 7 of 24 is heavily based on? Why hasn’t he been in jail long since? 
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Please tell me Jack Bauer is going to save us. 

Get him out of that f'n Russian prison.

Dammit

Chloe  :angry:

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
There's no way that account was hacked. And she claimed that there was a second account that was hacked.

Both accounts were hacked, and they were hacked so extremely well she cannot actually access them anymore. That sounds like a bad hack. Let me say however that Hope's hair is fabulous, it's beautiful and cascading. But Hope is lying about her email accounts IMO.
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Getting your account hijacked isn't all that uncommon or sophisticated really. They just need the password and enough personal info to take over the account to the extent you can't access them or reclaim them.

 
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Eric Swalwell does not get all the attention that his fellow California congressman Adam Schiff does, but he is an impressive guy. I always find him enlightening and straightforward in his interviews.

In the last couple of days he has made it clear that the Republicans on the Intelligence Committee want nothing to do with antagonizing Erik Prince. They won't so much as request an interview, never mind issuing a subpoena. They won't dig into his work background, his government contracts, his financial history--nothing.

Swalwell said he doesn't know exactly why specifically Prince triggers this brick wall of resistance, but he's going to keep asking questions until he finds out.

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Eric Swalwell does not get all the attention that his fellow California congressman Adam Schiff does, but he is an impressive guy. I always find him enlightening and straightforward in his interviews.

In the last couple of days he has made it clear that the Republicans on the Intelligence Committee want nothing to do with antagonizing Erik Prince. They won't so much as request an interview, never mind issuing a subpoena. They won't dig into his work background, his government contracts, his financial history--nothing.

Swalwell said he doesn't know exactly why specifically Prince triggers this brick wall of resistance, but he's going to keep asking questions until he finds out.
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I would guess Erik Prince has access to more assassins than your standard Bond villain does.

 
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Hector Salamanca said:
I would guess Erik Prince has access to more assassins than your standard Bond villain does.
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To be honest, Prince  is the scariest single person in all of this.  He literally built his fortune, not through licensing his name to hotels or selling steaks , but through literally developing a private murder company.  The fact that his sister runs the United States Department of Education is some seriously Orwellian ####. 

Even his name is kind of eerie.  Like the Prince of Darkness.  

 
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I've always been skeptical of the grand conspiracy theories. I figured that if there was any collusion it was lower level stuff - a couple meetings, maybe sharing data for microtargeting, perhaps discussion of timing the email leaks, stuff that didn't even necessarily involve Trump. But lately it's really starting to feel like things are trending towards at least some of the crazy conspiracy stuff actually being true.

I keep coming back to wondering why all these people would lie about their Russia contacts?  Trump and Kushner, I can maybe understand. They're idiots in way over their heads for whom lying is the default setting. I can even buy that Sessions meets with so many people that he forgot about one or two.  But Prince and Flynn?  They've been around the block and know the law, they know that their Russia meetings were perfectly legal if they were simply discussing policy, and they know it's a felony to lie to Congress and to the FBI. So why do it?

I've also noticed that the people who seem most convinced that the #### is gonna hit the fan are the ones who are most plugged in to the intelligence community and the FBI. And I don't think it's a coincidence that so many DOJ/national sec types are running for Congress as Dems this year. I think they felt called to duty and/or they have reason to believe that things are gonna get even worse for the GOP between now and November.

 
The Commish said:
Is it sad that I watch this show and hope the President does too so that he might get a clue on how to run the government?  Same with Madam Secretary.  This goof has me wishing he could rise to the level of TV actors :lol:  
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Unfortunately, he decided to go with House of Cards.

 
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