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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (11 Viewers)
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Skoo
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
It sure puts Pelosi in a very tough position. The key is how the public reacts to this.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Workhorse
Footballguy
Campaign material for 2020. I would lead every ad with that statement. Hammer the hell out of it.
sho nuff
Footballguy
This seems to be the usual direction. Claim things are the complete opposite of what everyone else is watching.
Like in these hearings claiming someone is owning the libs when they are looking very bad for themselves.
Very odd.
Widbil83
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
prefontaine
Footballguy
Right. If you want more detail, ask the actual witnesses. His opinion is irrelevant and he's only a filter to the raw detail.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So Barr lied about the indictment decision. We knew that but there it is.
-fish-
Footballguy
He’s already stated that his testimony would be limited to the contents of his report. Underlying work product is out of his hands at this point. He just cut the legs out from under them on additional testimony.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Well that's kind of the problem. Mueller won't come out and say "yeah he probably committed a crime, congress really needs to charge him" so Trump and his crew/Fox are going to spin it and control the narrative, just like they did with the Mueller report originally.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
So he basically just summarized the summaries of the report and then said that he thinks the report speaks for itself and he chooses not to testify further.
Even if he is subpoenaed, it sounds like his answers would consist entirely of either (a) “the answer is in the report; I’ll direct you there” or (b) “I can’t answer that, which is why it’s not in the report.”
I agree with him that the report speaks for itself. The problem is that people won’t read it. That’s why Netflix needs to quickly make a dramatization of it.
Even if he is subpoenaed, it sounds like his answers would consist entirely of either (a) “the answer is in the report; I’ll direct you there” or (b) “I can’t answer that, which is why it’s not in the report.”
I agree with him that the report speaks for itself. The problem is that people won’t read it. That’s why Netflix needs to quickly make a dramatization of it.
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I think "punting" is the wrong word here - it's congress' responsibility to act - not DOJ.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The report, not the summary. Barr’s letter is dead letter now. Bob got the last word.
timschochet
Footballguy
Look this may be enough to make the public change their mind on impeachment; we’ll have to see. But if they don’t, if the majority of the public still doesn’t want impeachment, then Pelosi won’t move, IMO.
timschochet
Footballguy
I think Trump’s plan to “investigate the investigators” was just washed away.
The Football Freak
Footballguy
I think we’re going to see a lot more “conflicted Mueller” and “18 angry democrats” on Twitter from a certain someone.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
timschochet
Footballguy
Both of your points are well taken, but saying things aloud is so much more powerful.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
You know that - because you read the report.
Most people have not read the report.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think Amash has been a pretty dramatic example of how powerful a coherent explanation of the report from someone who’s read it can be.
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timschochet
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
^^Report^^
timschochet
Footballguy
Seems to me that Trump and his supporters have 2 choices here:
1. Try to interpret Mueller’s words in such a way as to continue to make Trump look innocent.
2. All out attack against Mueller as a Trump hater and a liar.
Which way will they go?
1. Try to interpret Mueller’s words in such a way as to continue to make Trump look innocent.
2. All out attack against Mueller as a Trump hater and a liar.
Which way will they go?
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
joffer
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Or just sit back and wait. Congress should impeach, but I don't believe the public has an appetite for that. Trump knows that and will play the victim if they start proceedings. If they don't he will use it as confirmation that it was all a witch hunt.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Mueller is too scared to testify because he would get exposed by Republicans. Not surprising at all. This press conference did nothing to help the Dems and if they move forward with impeachment it will solidify 4 more years of Trump.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Fox News headline: "Special counsel makes rare public statement to resign, says team was unable to charge Trump"
Pelosi is punting to the public on a complicated topic where the public is taking its cues from politicians instead of reading and analyzing everything for themselves?
There’s a paradox of sorts in there.
-fish-
Footballguy
By starting from the DOJ memo that a sitting President can’t be indicted and that even a conclusion that he committed a crime would be unfair, they switched the focus from “did the President commit a crime” to “is there sufficient evidence to show that the President did not commit a crime.”
That seems very difficult to prove, which is why we have a presumption of innocence and a high burden of proof for guilt.
I don’t see this as a call for impeachment or even an implication that Trump may have committed a crime. He also made it clear that they could have charged co-conspirators. They didn’t.
That seems very difficult to prove, which is why we have a presumption of innocence and a high burden of proof for guilt.
I don’t see this as a call for impeachment or even an implication that Trump may have committed a crime. He also made it clear that they could have charged co-conspirators. They didn’t.
