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The Russia Investigation: DOJ Drops Case Against Flynn Even After He Pleads Guilty

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14 hours ago, irishidiot said:

cripes, I haven't posted here in ages & the pee Russian dossier is now credible?  asking for a friend

A lot of it has been credible and verified for months. 

Keep in mind, there's about a 0% chance it ever would've been brought to Obama and Trump in the first place if there wasn't a belief of some kind in its authenticity. 

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45 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

Trump will probably fire him around Christmas....

You are probably right. Seems likely they would pull that crap to minimize the public response. 

If/when Mueller is fired there needs to be a massive, forceful, but peaceful protest to show that the rule of law is important to us as a country. 

Thankfully people are already working on such a plan.  I signed up at www.trumpisnotabovethelaw.org to be notified of my local protest when it happens. 

I hope this doesn't run afoul of board rules. If it does, mods please let me know if changes need to be made.

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This Rosenstein hearing should be pretty funny. One bored evening I actually watched some of his confirmation hearing. The GOP gave him a sweetheart walk-through, now he'll be treated like Mr. Bad Guy.

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Testimony from Rosenstein is at least mildly comforting. Sounds like Trump would have to go full Saturday Night Massacre to get rid of Mueller.

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1 hour ago, Bucky86 said:

I think its both.  he can move on him all he wants...if the evidence is there, moving on him sort of hastens that evidence coming out...no?  Or forces the hand of congress.  Surely there is some backbone in there to make it not just swept under the rug by shady dealings and getting rid of a guy they all praised.

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3 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

Testimony from Rosenstein is at least mildly comforting. Sounds like Trump would have to go full Saturday Night Massacre to get rid of Mueller.

He'll find a way to bungle it cuz Stupid Watergate. 

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4 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

Testimony from Rosenstein is at least mildly comforting. Sounds like Trump would have to go full Saturday Night Massacre to get rid of Mueller.

Justice with Judge Jeanine does air Saturday night.

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1 minute ago, TobiasFunke said:

Testimony from Rosenstein is at least mildly comforting. Sounds like Trump would have to go full Saturday Night Massacre to get rid of Mueller.

That is my take so far as well.  Rosenstein repeatedly emphasized his oversight role over Mueller.  

With that having been said, I think full Saturday Night Massacre is Trump's only option left and I believe he will take it, especially in light of some of the Twitter chatter from this morning.  I still think he saves it for Christmas Eve.  So the only real question in my mind is whether we go with "Christmas Eve Massacre" or something a little more creative, like "Christmas Carnage."

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1 minute ago, The Indestructible said:

That is my take so far as well.  Rosenstein repeatedly emphasized his oversight role over Mueller.  

With that having been said, I think full Saturday Night Massacre is Trump's only option left and I believe he will take it, especially in light of some of the Twitter chatter from this morning.  I still think he saves it for Christmas Eve.  So the only real question in my mind is whether we go with "Christmas Eve Massacre" or something a little more creative, like "Christmas Carnage."

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1 minute ago, The Indestructible said:

That is my take so far as well.  Rosenstein repeatedly emphasized his oversight role over Mueller.  

With that having been said, I think full Saturday Night Massacre is Trump's only option left and I believe he will take it, especially in light of some of the Twitter chatter from this morning.  I still think he saves it for Christmas Eve.  So the only real question in my mind is whether we go with "Christmas Eve Massacre" or something a little more creative, like "Christmas Carnage."

I'm not sure how doing something like this around the holidays would break.  It would be such a big story that it might not even get buried by the holidays, which could then make Trump the Grinch in addition to being a justice-obstructing Putin puppet.

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1 minute ago, TobiasFunke said:

I'm not sure how doing something like this around the holidays would break.  It would be such a big story that it might not even get buried by the holidays, which could then make Trump the Grinch in addition to being a justice-obstructing Putin puppet.

Yeah. No way the firing of Mueller get's buried even on Christmas.

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Jim Sciutto‏Verified account @jimsciutto 2m2 minutes ago

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AG Rosenstein now aggressively dismissing GOP case to undermine Mueller: "Based upon his reputation, his service, his patriotism...I believe he was an ideal choice for this task"

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3 minutes ago, Mile High said:

Jim Sciutto‏Verified account @jimsciutto 2m2 minutes ago

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AG Rosenstein now aggressively dismissing GOP case to undermine Mueller: "Based upon his reputation, his service, his patriotism...I believe he was an ideal choice for this task"

Didn’t he hire Mueller?

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1 minute ago, jonessed said:

Didn’t he hire Mueller?

He did, about 4 months after Trump nominated him as Deputy AG, about 1 month after the Republican-controlled Senate confirmed him as Deputy AG, and a few weeks after he wrote a memo supporting (?) Trump's decision to fire Comey.  

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Rosenstein is telling Trump and the Republicans that if Mueller is fired Trump's gonna have to go full Saturday Night Massacre to do it.

Then the Republicans will be put in the batter's box and asked definitively what really matters most - party or country? With Nixon, the party did the right thing when pushed into the corner. Let's see how this party responds. 

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1 minute ago, packersfan said:

Rosenstein is telling Trump and the Republicans that if Mueller is fired Trump's gonna have to go full Saturday Night Massacre to do it.

Then the Republicans will be put in the batter's box and asked definitively what really matters most - party or country? With Nixon, the party did the right thing when pushed into the corner. Let's see how this party responds. 

Not really. Only 6 of 17 Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee voted to approve the Articles of Impeachment. And that was after not just the Saturday Night Massacre but the release of the famous tapes with the 18 minute gap.

On the other hand, Cox didn't have the goods yet, he got fired for pressing for them. If Mueller has Flynn saying that Trump directed him to lie about his December meeting with the Russian Ambassador then he already has him dead to rights. That doesn't go away just because Mueller is gone.

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Just now, TobiasFunke said:

Not really. Only 6 of 17 Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee voted to approve the Articles of Impeachment. And that was after not just the Saturday Night Massacre but the release of the famous tapes with the 18 minute gap.

On the other hand, Cox didn't have the goods yet, he got fired for pressing for them. If Mueller has Flynn saying that Trump directed him to lie about his December meeting with the Russian Ambassador then he already has him dead to rights. That doesn't go away just because Mueller is gone.

Good point. I guess my feeling is that 6 of 17 then is a lot higher percentage than one would predict now given how the Republicans have behaved toward Trump thus far. 

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1 minute ago, TobiasFunke said:

Not really. Only 6 of 17 Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee voted to approve the Articles of Impeachment. And that was after not just the Saturday Night Massacre but the release of the famous tapes with the 18 minute gap.

On the other hand, Cox didn't have the goods yet, he got fired for pressing for them. If Mueller has Flynn saying that Trump directed him to lie about his December meeting with the Russian Ambassador then he already has him dead to rights. That doesn't go away just because Mueller is gone.

I've said it before, but it's worth repeating...

With the level of competence with not only Mueller but his whole team, I see no way that thy have not prepared for this, My guess is there will be a public dump and/or clear handoffs to other LE / prosecutorial agencies and it will be a damning and ruthless takedown of any and all involved, with whatever info they have (and my guess is it's a lot)

What can be made public will, what can't will go to state AG's etc.  Wouldnt surprise me if theres been some coordination with foreign IC of our historic allies as well so even if the kabash is continually placed on the legal machine here, the damning info will still force this story to play out, visibly, for years to come.

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Maybe Donald better make sure he fires Mueller before the '18 elections. It's a risky play even now but it's got to be worse after GOP majorities decline or even disappear.

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12 minutes ago, packersfan said:

Rosenstein is telling Trump and the Republicans that if Mueller is fired Trump's gonna have to go full Saturday Night Massacre to do it.

Then the Republicans will be put in the batter's box and asked definitively what really matters most - party or country? With Nixon, the party did the right thing when pushed into the corner. Let's see how this party responds. 

Based on their actions in recent history we all know the answer to how they respond. 

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1 minute ago, packersfan said:

Good point. I guess my feeling is that 6 of 17 then is a lot higher percentage than one would predict now given how the Republicans have behaved toward Trump thus far. 

Also they're the majority now so they don't even have to put it to a vote at the Committee level if they didn't want to do it.

I think the more likely outcome would be a November 2018 bloodbath for the GOP if they allow Trump to do this without repercussions. But remember even if they lose 50 seats (possible if there's a Saturday Night  Massacre type move) that still leaves the vast majority of them relatively unscathed and therefore not particularly motivated to take action.

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1 minute ago, Koya said:

I've said it before, but it's worth repeating...

With the level of competence with not only Mueller but his whole team, I see no way that thy have not prepared for this, My guess is there will be a public dump and/or clear handoffs to other LE / prosecutorial agencies and it will be a damning and ruthless takedown of any and all involved, with whatever info they have (and my guess is it's a lot)

What can be made public will, what can't will go to state AG's etc.  Wouldnt surprise me if theres been some coordination with foreign IC of our historic allies as well so even if the kabash is continually placed on the legal machine here, the damning info will still force this story to play out, visibly, for years to come.

Like what Black Widow did in Captain America;Winter Soldier. 

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1 minute ago, Koya said:

I've said it before, but it's worth repeating...

With the level of competence with not only Mueller but his whole team, I see no way that thy have not prepared for this, My guess is there will be a public dump and/or clear handoffs to other LE / prosecutorial agencies and it will be a damning and ruthless takedown of any and all involved, with whatever info they have (and my guess is it's a lot)

What can be made public will, what can't will go to state AG's etc.  Wouldnt surprise me if theres been some coordination with foreign IC of our historic allies as well so even if the kabash is continually placed on the legal machine here, the damning info will still force this story to play out, visibly, for years to come.

I hadn't thought about it that way, but maybe I should have ("of" for some of our posters). If Donald fires everybody yet still survives, it's just gonna get even worse for him as the dirt filters out through the media. One by one it dawns on everybody that he was trying to cover up a whole bunch of crap all along.

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2 minutes ago, Koya said:

I've said it before, but it's worth repeating...

With the level of competence with not only Mueller but his whole team, I see no way that thy have not prepared for this, My guess is there will be a public dump and/or clear handoffs to other LE / prosecutorial agencies and it will be a damning and ruthless takedown of any and all involved, with whatever info they have (and my guess is it's a lot)

What can be made public will, what can't will go to state AG's etc.  Wouldnt surprise me if theres been some coordination with foreign IC of our historic allies as well so even if the kabash is continually placed on the legal machine here, the damning info will still force this story to play out, visibly, for years to come.

Yup.  Another huge difference is that in the digital era the only real upside to booting Mueller is that you hope he's replaced by someone less aggressive or effective. I think Cox had to rope off his office or something to keep people from messing up the work he'd done already- that's obviously a nonissue now, and it's also a lot easier to leak that information.

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1 minute ago, roadkill1292 said:

I hadn't thought about it that way, but maybe I should have ("of" for some of our posters). If Donald fires everybody yet still survives, it's just gonna get even worse for him as the dirt filters out through the media. One by one it dawns on everybody that he was trying to cover up a whole bunch of crap all along.

Firing Mueller is the absolute worst thing Trump could do. It would create a Constitutional crisis in this country that I'm not sure even the heads-in-the-sand Republican party could ignore. Our government will be put in chaos. 

So of course it feels like a foregone conclusion he's gonna do it. 

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1 hour ago, Bucky86 said:

Mr. Smith‏ @GuardianRover 3m3 minutes ago

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Mr. Smith Retweeted Natasha Bertrand

Coordinated effort:

 

You are seeing it play out in this Rosenstein hearing. And the text message leaks last night.

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Kyle Griffin‏ @kylegriffin1 5h5 hours ago

Reminder:

Donald Trump Jr. will meet behind closed doors today with Senate Intelligence Committee investigators.

:popcorn:

 

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Jim Sciutto‏Verified account @jimsciutto 8m8 minutes ago

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This AG Rosenstein hearing sounds an awful lot like laying the political groundwork for firing Mueller.

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40 minutes ago, jonessed said:
44 minutes ago, Mile High said:

Jim Sciutto‏Verified account @jimsciutto 2m2 minutes ago

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AG Rosenstein now aggressively dismissing GOP case to undermine Mueller: "Based upon his reputation, his service, his patriotism...I believe he was an ideal choice for this task"

Didn’t he hire Mueller?

He did, but that was back when everyone, including Fox News, thought that Mueller was the ideal choice for the task. A lot of zany political hacks have changed their minds since then. It’s good to see that Rosenstein isn’t one of them.

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19 minutes ago, packersfan said:

Firing Mueller is the absolute worst thing Trump could do. It would create a Constitutional crisis in this country that I'm not sure even the heads-in-the-sand Republican party could ignore. Our government will be put in chaos. 

So of course it feels like a foregone conclusion he's gonna do it. 

from his perspective what choice does he have?  Trump's guilty as sin and he knows it...they've flipped the most critical figure in the case and Trump knows what Flynn knows which is why he's bent over backward to be nice, supportive, protective like he has for no other individual not named Donald Trump.  He either waits and sees he and everyone around him indicted or he fires Mueller and hopes that the Republican's continue to be spineless jellyfish.  He's painted himself into a corner and doesn't have many other choices that I can think of...

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25 minutes ago, JerseyToughGuys said:

You are seeing it play out in this Rosenstein hearing. And the text message leaks last night.

Wait, what?  What did I miss? 

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21 minutes ago, Mile High said:

Jim Sciutto‏Verified account @jimsciutto 8m8 minutes ago

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This AG Rosenstein hearing sounds an awful lot like laying the political groundwork for firing Mueller.

 

18 minutes ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

Watching this is reassuring. Rosenstein seems quite reasonable.

wait, are these posts contradictory or somehow complementary?

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Just now, Maurile Tremblay said:

It’s becoming clear that Rosenstein is part of the Deep State.

anyone that isn't in cahoots with Trump is part of the deep state

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3 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

wait, are these posts contradictory or somehow complementary?

Trey Gowdy et al. are trying to lay that groundwork. Rosenstein is rebuking them.

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