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1 minute ago, Don't Noonan said:

That is of course, in your opinion.

The assuming he read it and the to protect the president were opinion.  That Barr contradicted his testimony is not....that’s facts based on his words and how he them treated such an action by Trump.

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17 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

Has sho accused you of being an alias from a banned user yet?

Actually this is my second name. First account went all the way back to the cheatsheets yellow board but I lost that password long ago. 

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3 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

That is of course, in your opinion.

I think you're using a new definition of "opinion" that I'm not aware of.

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31 minutes ago, urbanhack said:
57 minutes ago, Dickies said:

Let's start with just 3 inaccuracies.

update?

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11 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

That is of course, in your opinion.

Barr doesn't mention the word pardon in his memo, his sole point was about the issue of underlying act. All the other bases we've been discussing - which Mueller reported on - Barr did not touch. Which is weird, because the more we look at it the more it looks like Barr may not have fully digested the damn thing himself.

I'm not only looking at Barr's confirmation testimony, but also the June 2018 memo which got him hired.

Here's the key snip from Barr's own 2018 memo.

Here's Mueller again:

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Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations. The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.

 

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1 hour ago, Bottomfeeder Sports said:

I don't know how many opinions have actually been changed, but there are more people expressing political beliefs similar to mine than there were 2 years ago.  Many more than five years ago.  It was pretty lonely ten years ago.  And fifteen years ago it was pretty hostile against my political beliefs.  And lets not even mention how the first year of forums felt in the aftermath of 9-11.   So maybe its just that more people with similar beliefs as mine have join the forum while those with other beliefs have disappeared.   Maybe its just who comes out of the wood work at any given time.  I'm not sure what has happened and maybe individual people haven't changed their beliefs but the predominant thoughts of the board in aggregate as a whole certainly has.   And while some of the board's impatient liberals have grown frustrated, I have some hopes that what has happened here is slowly and quietly happening elsewhere.  That Obama was the tiny little course corrections that set us up for the long term (despite Trump's efforts to undo them all).    We need to keep plugging away with good ideas and hope that there is a marketplace for ideas where the better ideas ultimately prevail.   Though unlike in the early lonely days around here there are a lot more, and a lot better "voices" for these ideas today.

I will just chime in that, while I think it's correct that those posting in the politics forum are very unlikely to change their position, don't ignore the fact that there are others (👋) who are not entrenched, and enjoy the reading the back and forth as a way to understand what the arguments are.  It's not a pointless exercise.

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

That's quite all right, Barr said one thing in his confirmation probably assuming he would not see that specific issue - so gave an honest and correct legal answer - but then upon seeing Mueller's report (assuming he read it, which he may not have) he contradicted his prior position to protect the president.

There’s no contradiction there from what I can tell.

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1 hour ago, turnerj0 said:

Hating President Trump is not an irrational position. Perhaps we need to again summarize everything we know about him. 

There are the things we know for certain about Trump: 

 

1)      He heads an administration that has overseen the separation from their parents and/or incarceration of hundreds of children for the express purpose of deterrence

          a.      When two of the children died in custody, he failed to offer any condolences to the families, instead using their deaths for political attacks  

2)      He has advocated killing the families of enemy combatants

3)      He made multiple pro-violence statements at his rallies, including saying “I’d like to punch him in the face,” saying “maybe he should have been roughed up,” saying “part of the problem is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore”, and offering to pay the legal bills of supporters who physically harmed people protesting against him

4)      He praised a Republican Congressman who was convicted of physically assaulting a reporter

5)      He was complicit in helping to cover up the brutal murder of an American journalist by the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia

          a.      He has failed to perform his legal duty by not providing Congress with a sufficient explanation of this incident

          b.      His administration has attempted to bypass Congressional oversight in selling nuclear technology to this nation that embraces many elements of Wahhabism

6)      He continues to push for American involvement in a conflict in Yemen that has resulted in large numbers of civilian deaths, despite Congress’ resolution attempting to end American involvement

7)      He has praised Kim Jong Un, the person generally considered to be the most ruthless dictator in the world, a man who has brutally executed hundreds of people and who tortures thousands in gulags, by saying he loves him

         a.      He has failed to condemn this tyrant’s torture and brutal murder of an American citizen, and has in fact attempted to diminish Kim’s culpability in that heinous crime

😎 He has lied to the American people about the threat posed by North Korea

9)      He has praised Recep Erdogan, another authoritarian leader who has imprisoned more journalists than any other person in the world, saying “He does things the right way” while giving him a fist bump

          a.      His administration attempted to hand over a cleric under our protection to this dictator, which would have almost certainly condemned him to torture and death

10)  He has praised Rodrigo Duterte, an autocrat who openly supports extrajudicial killings. Trump called these extrajudicial killings “an unbelievable job.”

11)  He has repeatedly sided with Vladimir Putin, the man who organized an attack on American democracy, on a range of issues, often insulting some of the United States’ most loyal and patriotic civil servants in the process

12)  Following an attempted terrorist attack against multiple current and former American government officials, he failed to reach out to any of the intended targets, he failed to name any of the intended targets in public speech, he whined about coverage of the incident taking away attention from his party, and then he joined calls for one of the intended targets to be imprisoned

13)  On multiple occasions, he has retweeted blatantly anti-Semitic messages

14)  He has called the free press the “Enemy of the People”, a phrase usually reserved for totalitarian dictators and as antithetical to American values as any words can possibly be

15)  He said “What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening”, an equally chilling statement that embodies the spirit of totalitarian regimes

16)  He has called for the creation of a government-run television channel with the express purpose of broadcasting propaganda

17)  He hired and continues to employ a campaign manager/counselor who used the phrase “alternative facts”

18)  He has parroted Kremlin propaganda about a number of issues including the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan

19)  He hired and/or employed all of the following:

         a.      A National Security Adviser indicted and who pleaded guilty to a federal crime

         b.      A campaign chairman who was found guilty of multiple federal crimes including Conspiracy Against the United States

                                                             i.      This Trump ally is known to have given election polling data to a Russian spy

                                                            ii.      Trump was also involved in a joint defense agreement with this convicted felon

         c.       A deputy campaign chairman who pleaded guilty to federal crimes including Conspiracy Against the United States

         d.      A foreign policy advisor who pleaded guilty to a federal crime

         e.      A Secretary of the Interior who was forced out of office due to multiple investigations into ethics violations

         f.        An EPA administrator who was under 14 separate federal investigations during his tenure

         g.      An Acting Attorney General who brazenly ignored the advice of Department of Justice ethics officials

         h.      A staff secretary credibly accused of domestic violence against multiple women

         i.        A press secretary who admitted under penalty of perjury that she lies to the American people in official press conferences

         j.        A personal lawyer who stated it is ok to receive and use information coming from enemy nations

20)  He has had his personal lawyer testify under oath that he directed the commission of federal crimes designed to influence the election

21)  One of his oldest and closest advisors has been indicted for witness tampering and obstruction of justice

22)  After calling himself the law and order candidate, as president he pardoned a political ally convicted of contempt of court without going through the usual process or providing any legitimate explanation for the pardon

23)  After repeatedly dodging the draft during the Vietnam War, he said that John McCain, a soldier who was captured fighting in that war, was not a hero  

         a.      He continues to insult this American hero after his death and despite the pleas of that man’s family not to

24)  He refused to go to a Veterans’ Day memorial because it was raining

25)  He gave classified information from Israel, one of our greatest historical allies, to Russia, one of our greatest historical enemies

26)  On multiple occasions he has attempted to put his thumb on the scales of justice by making statements about ongoing investigations and trials, and in some cases even commenting directly on witnesses and their families

27)  He claimed that a Hispanic judge couldn’t be impartial because of his ethnicity

28)  He called for a complete ban of all members of a particular religion from entering the United States

29)  He mocked a private citizen over a divorce

30)  He endorsed a politician credibly accused of pedophilia

31)  He has made multiple denigrating comments about women who criticized him, including:

         a.      “Miss housekeeping”

         b.      “Bleeding very badly from a face lift”

         c.       “Look at that face…would anyone vote for that?”

         d.      “Miss piggy”

32)  He was caught on tape talking about how he gropes women without their permission

33)  He said that attempted rape doesn’t matter as long as he wins political victories

34)  He instituted the longest government shutdown in American history, causing significant pain to hundreds of thousands of Americans

35)  He has made more than 9,000 verifiably false statements to the American people

36)  He has described a political opponent’s actions as “unforgivable”, an incredibly anti-Christian statement  

37)  He said he does not ask God for forgiveness

 

Those are just the things we know without any doubt are true. There are so many other things, just as bad if not worse, that have not been proven with 100% certainty, but that are supported by such a preponderance of evidence that no reasonable person could doubt them, including:

 

1)      He used illegal business practices to defraud students for his personal financial gain

2)      He and his family misused a charitable organization for personal financial gain

3)      He is using his current office for the financial benefit of himself and his family in violation of the spirit of, and possibly the letter of, the Constitution

4)      He had his lawyer hire an IT firm to rig election polls in his favor

5)      He threatened to withhold badly needed federal aid to California over a political squabble

6)      He has exposed sensitive information to adversaries like China and Russia through the use of unsecured communications devices

7)      He bypassed usual process and the recommendations of intelligence officials by ordering that potentially compromised supporters, including his son-in-law, be inappropriately given security clearances

😎 He had an affair with a porn star while his wife was raising their newborn son

9)      He had multiple affairs while married to previous wives

10)  He has been accused of sexual assault by nearly two dozen women

 

You might not personally hate Trump. One could make the argument that hatred of anyone is wrong. But clearly hating him is not irrational. For those who believe that some people are deserving of hatred (which I suspect most people do), it is pretty easy to make an argument that he is among the most deserving. 

That's only 47 horrible things.  I mean if it was 50...then sure...there might be enough to rationally hate on him.  But with just 47...Nothing Burger.

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51 minutes ago, Slapdash said:

:tumbleweed:

Ok how about 2?  Maybe you could take the time to tackle 1??  Crickets??

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11 minutes ago, jonessed said:

There’s no contradiction there from what I can tell.

Another way to view it is that Barr didn’t touch the pardon issue, or really anything aside from the Comey firing or the issue of underlying crime (which in 2018 he said was unnecessary), in which case yes Mueller’s points on everything else go straight to Congress untouched by Barr, which is fine.

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19 minutes ago, siffoin said:

That's only 47 horrible things.  I mean if it was 50...then sure...there might be enough to rationally hate on him.  But with just 47...Nothing Burger.

I am sure you aware that Nothing Burger is in regards to the Russia investigation.  

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18 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

I am sure you aware that Nothing Burger is in regards to the Russia investigation.  

noth·ing·burg·er

/ˈnəTHiNGˌbərɡər/

noun

INFORMAL•US

noun: nothing burger

something that is or turns out to be insignificant or lacking in substance.

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2 hours ago, turnerj0 said:

Hating President Trump is not an irrational position. Perhaps we need to again summarize everything we know about him. 

There are the things we know for certain about Trump.

Yeah but what else has he done.

 

For real though, living in the midwest im surrounded by red. The willful ignorance is baffling.

Hes a bad president, and an even worse human.

This is the level of corruption that everyone is always cynically complaining about. Plain as day. And some are even celebrating it.

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4 minutes ago, siffoin said:

noth·ing·burg·er

/ˈnəTHiNGˌbərɡər/

noun

INFORMAL•US

noun: nothing burger

something that is or turns out to be insignificant or lacking in substance.

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4 minutes ago, Run It Up said:

Yeah but what else has he done.

 

For real though, living in the midwest im surrounded by red. The willful ignorance is baffling.

Hes a bad president, and an even worse human.

This is the level of corruption that everyone is always cynically complaining about. Plain as day. And some are even celebrating it.

In reality, he is an awesome President and a so/so human being.  I don't believe he is a racist but I fear he is an adulterer which if true puts him in the bad human being for me.

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Anyone mind breaking down for me why when the president lies and instructs others to lie and obstruct that it isnt a heinous act? :popcorn:

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Just now, Don't Noonan said:

In reality, he is an awesome President and a so/so human being.  I don't believe he is a racist but I fear he is an adulterer which if true puts him in the bad human being for me.

No, in your opinion he is an awesome president.  Reality appears to be different.

So/so?  well, ok, but seems worse than that in so many ways.

 

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9 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

In reality, he is an awesome President and a so/so human being.  I don't believe he is a racist but I fear he is an adulterer which if true puts him in the bad human being for me.

You fear he is an adulterer?  I don't even understand how you can have any doubt that he is.  He is also an admitted sexual assaulter.

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30 minutes ago, Run It Up said:

Yeah but what else has he done.

 

For real though, living in the midwest im surrounded by red. The willful ignorance is baffling.

Hes a bad president, and an even worse human.

This is the level of corruption that everyone is always cynically complaining about. Plain as day. And some are even celebrating it.

This is so true.  I can't believe how many people on my Facebook friends list look past his down falls and shrug them off.  A couple of them I get, I mean they are the people that would tell racist jokes when out drinking or make other comments.  But then there are others that I had no  clue that morals and ethics mean nothing to them, the same people that post "churchy" memes.  Sad state of affairs.

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34 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

In reality, he is an awesome President and a so/so human being.  I don't believe he is a racist but I fear he is an adulterer which if true puts him in the bad human being for me.

I believe that there are some serious blinders going on here in reference to his status as a human being.  Putting our  difference of opinion of his presidency aside, it’s undeniable by even his staunchest supporters that he’s a rampant narcissist and liar.  Those two qualifications alone take you out of the so/so human being category; add in the all but guaranteed adulterer (and please note I’m being EXTREMELY fair here for the sake of good conversation by adding in the “all but” part) and you land square in the middle of the bad human being category.  

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6 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

I believe that there are some serious blinders going on here in reference to his status as a human being.  Putting our  difference of opinion of his presidency aside, it’s undeniable by even his staunchest supporters that he’s a rampant narcissist and liar.  Those two qualifications alone take you out of the so/so human being category; add in the all but guaranteed adulterer (and please note I’m being EXTREMELY fair here for the sake of good conversation by adding in the “all but” part) and you land square in the middle of the bad human being category.  

Children in cages. Mocking cripples. Zero sympathy for people going to jail for lying for him.  Not only is he not a so-so human being, he is amongst the worst on the planet.

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Yea I'm shocked that anyone could say with a straight face that he's a "so-so" human.  Like if you had to name the qualities you hoped to instill in your child, he is the opposite of every single one of them.

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8 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

I believe that there are some serious blinders going on here in reference to his status as a human being.  Putting our  difference of opinion of his presidency aside, it’s undeniable by even his staunchest supporters that he’s a rampant narcissist and liar.  Those two qualifications alone take you out of the so/so human being category; add in the all but guaranteed adulterer (and please note I’m being EXTREMELY fair here for the sake of good conversation by adding in the “all but” part) and you land square in the middle of the bad human being category.  

Even if what you say is true Republicans have to weigh a bad human being/awesome President versus a likely progressive Democrat.  There is no possible way I would vote for a current Democrat that has announced.  The economy is doing so well under Trump with the tax cuts and regulations it would be a killer to the economy if a socialist like Sanders were to become President.  That is far more dangerous to the United States than if someone is a bad human being.

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Just now, JuniorNB said:

Children in cages. Mocking cripples. Zero sympathy for people going to jail for lying for him.  Not only is he not a so-so human being, he is amongst the worst on the planet.

For me this is a bridge to far.  IMO there are vast amounts of worse people on the planet then Trump, murders, rapists, child molesters, etc are the first that come to mind but there are many others. The distinction is that through his power his faults affect larger numbers of people, but those faults in and of themselves certainly rank lower on the scale of bad then those I mentioned.  So for me while I think he’s a bad person he doesn’t rise to the level of really bad and certainly not the worst.  

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41 minutes ago, Run It Up said:

Anyone mind breaking down for me why when the president lies and instructs others to lie and obstruct that it isnt a heinous act? :popcorn:

I think part of the disconnect is that his defenders hear "he was lying" or "he won't release his taxes" and think "i lie all the time, and I've fibbed a little on my taxes, what's the big deal".

"Lying is heinous!" sounds naive at best and disingenuous at worst.  

Even obstruction of justice sounds so abstract.  Another "process crime". If you like the guy it's.easy to think oh everybody in Washington does this stuff.  That's what Trump supporters mean when they have been saying that every president could be impeached by this standard. 

This is not normal.  A hostile foreign government interfered in the election, and trump knew, went along with it, asked them for help on national television, his campaign took a meeting with them that was illegal just to take, when it got investigated, trump tried to fire the guy who was looking into it, he dangled a pardon in front of another guy who lied on his behalf, and when another guy agreed to testify publicly he called him a rat while another Republican threatened his family on Twitter.

This is not normal.  

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7 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

Children in cages. Mocking cripples. Zero sympathy for people going to jail for lying for him.  Not only is he not a so-so human being, he is amongst the worst on the planet.

Let's break these down.  Children in cages - same as Obama.  He never mocked a cripple.  Zero sympathy is false.  

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2 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

Even if what you say is true Republicans have to weigh a bad human being/awesome President versus a likely progressive Democrat.  There is no possible way I would vote for a current Democrat that has announced.  The economy is doing so well under Trump with the tax cuts and regulations it would be a killer to the economy if a socialist like Sanders were to become President.  That is far more dangerous to the United States than if someone is a bad human being.

Yep because the economy was just sputtering along in '15 and '16, smh

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1 minute ago, yak651 said:

Yep because the economy was just sputtering along in '15 and '16, smh

You think Obama was bad for the economy wait until a progressive like Bernie gets elected.  I will be sure to bump all of these posts when we are stuck in a depression.

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Just now, Don't Noonan said:

You think Obama was bad for the economy wait until a progressive like Bernie gets elected.  I will be sure to bump all of these posts when we are stuck in a depression.

Obama wasn't bad for the economy.

HTH

 

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12 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

Even if what you say is true Republicans have to weigh a bad human being/awesome President versus a likely progressive Democrat.  There is no possible way I would vote for a current Democrat that has announced.  The economy is doing so well under Trump with the tax cuts and regulations it would be a killer to the economy if a socialist like Sanders were to become President.  That is far more dangerous to the United States than if someone is a bad human being.

That’s an interesting discussion and fair point. The heart of that discussion to me falls more into the philosophy of what you want in the leader of your country. For me policy is important certainly, but in an equal portion to the quality of the person leading. I believe our president is a representative of us as a people and our ideals and morals to the rest of the world.  I would rather have a person I disagree with on policy but respect as a human being and can stand behind as a representative of the collective us.  

That’s far and away my biggest issue with Trump. While I disagree with some of his policies, I despise him as a human being and I despise the fact that he represents us and what we stand for. It’s embarrassing to me that he is the quality of person we have, as a collective group, chosen to represent us. It’s also unfortunately a reflection in the mirror of who we are as a society right now. 

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11 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

For me this is a bridge to far.  IMO there are vast amounts of worse people on the planet then Trump, murders, rapists, child molesters, etc are the first that come to mind but there are many others. The distinction is that through his power his faults affect larger numbers of people, but those faults in and of themselves certainly rank lower on the scale of bad then those I mentioned.  So for me while I think he’s a bad person he doesn’t rise to the level of really bad and certainly not the worst.  

So, just to be clear, if one reasonably believes Trump is a rapist it's okay to call him that?

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1 minute ago, dkp993 said:

That’s an interesting discussion and fair point. The heart of that discussion to me falls more into the philosophy of what you want in the leader of your country. For me policy is important certainly, but in an equal portion to the quality of the person leading. I believe our president is a representative of us as a people and our ideals and morals to the rest of the world.  I would rather have a person I disagree with on policy but respect as a human being and can stand behind as a representative of the collective us.  

That’s far and away my biggest issue with Trump. While I disagree with some of his policies I despise him as a human being and I despise the fact that he represents us and what we stand for. It’s embarrassing to me that he is the quality of person we have, as a collective group, chosen to represent us. It’s also unfortunately reflection in the mirror of who we are as a society right now. 

Understood.  I look out for the interest of my family and put the interests of my two kids ahead of everything else.  Electing a socialist would cripple our economy and kill the jobs progress that we have made.  Is Bernie a better human being than Trump?  No question.  

Maybe Trump steps down after 1 term who knows.

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11 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:
20 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

Children in cages. Mocking cripples. Zero sympathy for people going to jail for lying for him.  Not only is he not a so-so human being, he is amongst the worst on the planet.

Let's break these down.  Children in cages - same as Obama.

Wrong.

Obama never had a policy of separating children and putting them in cages. Trump did.

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9 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

I think part of the disconnect is that his defenders hear "he was lying" or "he won't release his taxes" and think "i lie all the time, and I've fibbed a little on my taxes, what's the big deal".

"Lying is heinous!" sounds naive at best and disingenuous at worst.  

Even obstruction of justice sounds so abstract.  Another "process crime". If you like the guy it's.easy to think oh everybody in Washington does this stuff.  That's what Trump supporters mean when they have been saying that every president could be impeached by this standard. 

This is not normal.  A hostile foreign government interfered in the election, and trump knew, went along with it, asked them for help on national television, his campaign took a meeting with them that was illegal just to take, when it got investigated, trump tried to fire the guy who was looking into it, he dangled a pardon in front of another guy who lied on his behalf, and when another guy agreed to testify publicly he called him a rat while another Republican threatened his family on Twitter.

This is not normal.  

The reason people supposedly voted for Trump was because all politicians lie, and they wanted someone who was different.  Now we are back to shrugging our collective shoulders and repeating that all politicians lie.  We should strive to get politicians in office who are transparent and do not lie.  

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16 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

For me this is a bridge to far.  IMO there are vast amounts of worse people on the planet then Trump, murders, rapists, child molesters, etc are the first that come to mind but there are many others. The distinction is that through his power his faults affect larger numbers of people, but those faults in and of themselves certainly rank lower on the scale of bad then those I mentioned.  So for me while I think he’s a bad person he doesn’t rise to the level of really bad and certainly not the worst.  

If you put it relative to the amount of people he affects, he is among the worst on the planet.

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17 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

Let's break these down.  Children in cages - same as Obama.  He never mocked a cripple.  Zero sympathy is false.  

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. In baseball, you'd be out.

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5 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

Understood.  I look out for the interest of my family and put the interests of my two kids ahead of everything else.  Electing a socialist would cripple our economy and kill the jobs progress that we have made.  Is Bernie a better human being than Trump?  No question.  

Maybe Trump steps down after 1 term who knows.

As you should and as I do for my 4 yr old.  I just think, as you likely do about the right wing hysteria, that the fear of “socialist” is just political hype.  And to be clear I’m not a Bernie supporter.  

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5 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

If you put it relative to the amount of people he affects, he is among the worst on the planet.

Again I disagree but don’t really want to tumble any further down this rabbit hole.   The very thought of having to be in the position to defend Trump makes my stomach turn.   

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I almost responded to the troll.  That would make me a dolt. I guess by almost responding that makes me an almost dolt. 
They live off of responses, positive fine, but negative or angry, all the better.  Me, I am a sadist, I starve them.  I hear their anguished cries of hunger and I refuse to throw them my leftovers which are just going to go to waste anyhow. 

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6 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. In baseball, you'd be out.

It is pretty clear why your posts are always viewed as trolling.  I don't have anyone on ignore but if I did you would be the first.

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19 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

believe me I have watched that.  Not mocking

I'm bored so what the heck.

If he wasn't mocking the disabled reporter what was he doing?

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1 minute ago, McJose said:

I'm bored so what the heck.

If he wasn't mocking the disabled reporter what was he doing?

Paying a respectful homage? 

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Just now, TobiasFunke said:

So you are willing to tolerate a bad human being as president because you believe he's the reason the economy is doing so well.  Fair enough.

Does that mean that if growth slowed substantially before the end of Trump's first term- say to 1.8% GDP, which would be less than or equal to every quarter of the last two years of Obama's second term- you'd vote for his opponent?

It depends on the circumstances.  If it slowed down because Trump and Congress raised taxes and added another entitlement like medicare for all then yes I would not vote for him.  I believe pro growth, pro American republican policies like lower taxes and less government.  If he maintains the course he is on he will get my vote in 2020 assuming he runs.

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3 minutes ago, McJose said:

I'm bored so what the heck.

If he wasn't mocking the disabled reporter what was he doing?

He had done that motion several times before.  There are videos out there, google it.

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3 hours ago, Dickies said:
3 hours ago, Don't Noonan said:

@turnerj0 you are trying too hard for "likes".  😉  I am sure you will get lots of them in this echo chamber.  Not going to waste my time refuting the many inaccuracies of your post.

Let's start with just 3 inaccuracies.

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We're waaaaaiting.

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1 minute ago, Don't Noonan said:

He had done that motion several times before.  There are videos out there, google it.

Google has been blocked here.  Could you please take 45 seconds out of your day and provide me with a link?

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