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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (10 Viewers)

McJose said:
I, for one, am glad we are finally going to take the time to talk about Hillary Clinton.

I mean I know she no longer holds any sort of political office but it’s about dang time we focused on her and not the current POTUS.
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People do seem to lose sight of the fact that the investigation was of Russian interference in the 2016 election, not an investigation of why HRC lost the 2016 election.

 
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John Blutarsky said:
The future of our democracy? That is the drama you are trying to create? 
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Perhaps it sounds more dramatic on the page than in my head. 

Hillary Clinton lost because people hate her

because she’s a woman 

because Donald Trump is a very successful con man

because she campaigned poorly in the Midwest 

because Russia interfered 

and a host of other reasons. 

Her poor campaigning and the fact that people hate her really don’t matter for looking forward to future elections and election designs.  The ability of a con man to fool a lot of voters, interference by Russia, sexism, and the like are important to study moving forward and try to stop them from affecting elections moving forward. 

 
McJose said:
I, for one, am glad we are finally going to take the time to talk about Hillary Clinton.

I mean I know she no longer holds any sort of political office but it’s about dang time we focused on her and not the current POTUS.
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And hasn’t held any elected office in over a decade. 

 
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McJose said:
I, for one, am glad we are finally going to take the time to talk about Hillary Clinton.

I mean I know she no longer holds any sort of political office but it’s about dang time we focused on her and not the current POTUS.
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It’s brought up because she lost, Dems can’t handle it and they blame Russia. Did you have a beer yet? 

 
Daywalker said:
Hillary lost because Republicans talked about Benghazi and emails for 4 years.  Both of which amounted to nothing.

Now we have Trump caught obstructing all over the place trying to hide his various crimes and some are saying the Dems should be careful pressing this?

You got to be kidding me.  

Not to mention the Dem base is tired of getting pushed around.  See Merrick Garland.
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They did Bill for years and years before that. Its part of their playbook.

 
Henry Ford said:
Perhaps it sounds more dramatic on the page than in my head. 

Hillary Clinton lost because people hate her

because she’s a woman 

because Donald Trump is a very successful con man

because she campaigned poorly in the Midwest 

because Russia interfered 

and a host of other reasons. 

Her poor campaigning and the fact that people hate her really don’t matter for looking forward to future elections and election designs.  The ability of a con man to fool a lot of voters, interference by Russia, sexism, and the like are important to study moving forward and try to stop them from affecting elections moving forward. 
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Next time have a better candidate. 

 
I brought Hillary up as an example for Democrats.  Keep on attacking like the Republicans did.  Eventually people just get tired of it and want anyone else.

 
prefontaine said:
I might not be but imo this is long calculated by Mitt. If you want to run, you have to slowly peel back Trump's base. You don't do that by being openly hostile. You wait for moments. This is a moment. 

He's moving along glacier like but I think come fall he will start becoming a louder voice of dissent and, provided he is picking up steam, he'll announce in January for the "good of America." A big test will be if other prominent Republicans back his play here. 

But I think we'll know for sure when the first poll "randomly" tests Romney in the GOP field (I still think he won't push that button til Fall so he has a better feel). 
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God, I hope you're right. I kept waiting for him in 2016 once Rubio was out.

 
Democrats should set impeachment hearing up right before election.

Talking healthcare and all that is great until Trump shuts down the border and takes all the oxygen out of the room.  He will control the coverage again like did in 2016.  Will be different than 2018.

 
It's always been my opinion that Obama dropped the ball by not making everyone aware of Russia and their attempts at meddling.  Full Stop.

Then I start thinking about what this place would have looked like had he actually done the right thing and brought it up during the Trump vs Hillary debacle.  You don't think things can get worse under Trump politically?  You're wrong....they'd be significantly worse under Hillary on the backdrop of Obama's announcement that Russia wanted Trump to win. :lmao:  

 
jamny said:
The report is definitely a page turner...or scroller...whatever the kids call it nowadays.

I read slow though and I'm on vacation next week, so this'll take awhile.
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My :2cents: Just fast forward to the second section.  The first is all stuff covered here including predicted outcomes. 

 
Henry Ford said:
During the primaries I posted the statutes under which I believed Hillary Clinton should have been prosecuted and jailed. She just still happens to be light years better than Phineas Trump Barnum, King of the Three Ring Circus of Incompetence. Doesn’t mean I like her at all. 
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Catchy! :thumbup:

 
Sheriff Bart said:
It would be delightful if SHS somehow pays for the lies she told about Comey and tge hundreds of others. 
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I mean remember when all of you Trump supporters were going crazy throwing your Keurigs out of windows because that black dude took a knee during the national anthem?   The WH press secretary lied multiple times that a life long servant law officer had lost the confidence of his organization and he lost his job because of it.  Apparently she just decided to make up this lie for no reason at all. Horrible right? 

 
It really seems that Mueller had his hands tied by DOJ precedent. That being said, there is plenty of evidence for an obstruction charge if Trump is voted out in 2020. All eyes will be focused on Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania in 2020. What Trump is getting away with is absolutely frightening. People are just getting numb. Nothing is surprising anymore.

 
Democrats squealing Russia Russia Russia for 4 years is a bad idea?!

Noam Chomsky, the noted progressive scholar, believes Democrats have focused far too much on Russia. And he thinks it might earn them four more years of President Donald Trump.

“[T]he Democrats are helping him,” Chomsky said. “They are. Take the focus on Russia-gate. What’s that all about? I mean, it was pretty obvious at the beginning that you’re not going to find anything very serious about Russian interference in elections.”

He added, “As far as Trump collusion with the Russians, that was never going to amount to anything more than minor corruption, maybe building a Trump hotel in Red Square or something like that, but nothing of any significance.”

Chomsky went on to say that he believes focusing too heavily on Russia may cost Democrats dearly next November.

“The Democrats invested everything in this issue,” Chomsky said. “Well, turned out there was nothing much there. They gave Trump a huge gift. In fact, they may have handed him the next election. … That’s a matter of being so unwilling to deal with fundamental issues, that they’re looking for something on the side that will somehow give political success.”
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https://www.mediaite.com/trump/noam-chomsky-calls-dem-focus-on-russia-a-huge-gift-to-trump-they-may-have-handed-him-the-next-election/

 
HellToupee said:
Henry Ford said:
Phineas Trump Barnum, King of the Three Ring Circus of Incompetence.
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This calling him a con man earlier is just as distasteful and disrespectful as calling him a turd
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Trump University was a con. His charity was a con. He funded his casinos through cons. He conned his way out of bankruptcy. His fake book was a con. His hair is a con. He tried to con his way into the NFL twice but they sniffed him out. His sister was just pushed into retirement to avoid explaining her involvement in a family con. He conned campaign donors to pay off a porn star. His continued emolument conflicts are an ongoing con against the good people of the United States. Bone spurs = con. 6-3/239 = con.

He is without a doubt the most successful con man in the history of this country.

 
Bozeman Bruiser said:
So you are basically saying you don't care about the rule of law unless it suits your political beliefs? Because the rule of law is why Kavanaugh is on SCOTUS and Trump is POTUS. 

It is Constitution hating activists and propagandists who have tried to prevent/remove Kavanaugh and Trump from their duly elected positions.
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Kavanaugh wasn’t elected to any position. 

 
HellToupee said:
This calling him a con man earlier is just as distasteful and disrespectful as calling him a turd
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On January 12, 2017, a Washington Post columnist reported that Flynn and Kislyak communicated on the day the Obama Administration announced the Russia sanctions.122 The column questioned whether Flynn had said something to “undercut the U.S. sanctions” and whether Flynn’s communications had violated the letter or spirit of the Logan Act.123

President-Elect Trump called Priebus after the story was published and expressed anger about it.124 Priebus recalled that the President-Elect asked, “What the hell is this all about?"125 Priebus called Flynn and told him that the President-Elect was angry about the reporting on Flynn’s conversations with Kislyak.126 Flynn recalled that he felt a lot of pressure because Priebus had spoken to the “boss” and said Flynn needed to “kill the story.”127 Flynn directed McFarland to call the Washington Post columnist and inform him that no discussion of sanctions had occurred.128McFarland recalled that Flynn said words to the effect of, “I want to kill the story."129 McFarland made the call as Flynn had requested although she knew she was providing false information, and the Washington Post updated the column to reflect that a “Trump official” had denied that Flynn and Kislyak discussed sanctions.
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- What would you call this?

 
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It is mind blowing that there is anyone out there who doesn’t know trump is a con man.  He is the con man’s con man.  

Everything about the man is shady.  He is the most compulsive liar I have ever seen in public life.  Not even close really.  

 
bradyfan said:
Obama knew what is happening but did nothing, so it must not be a big deal.
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It's even worse than that.  Bush actually sanctioned the Russians for helping Obama in 08. Before he was even inaugurated, Obama told them he'd overturn the sanctions and not to worry. He may even have personally benefited from it.  

Nobody's talking about that now, of course, because it's all obstruction of justice this and Hillary that.  But as much as i want trump brought to justice i also know you can't let obama slide for what he did, and it seems like he's getting a free pass. 

 
zoonation said:
It is mind blowing that there is anyone out there who doesn’t know trump is a con man.  He is the con man’s con man.  

Everything about the man is shady.  He is the most compulsive liar I have ever seen in public life.  Not even close really.  
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It's not that they don't know it. It's that admitting it amounts to an acceptance that they've been conned - and that's a measure of self honesty most can't accomplish.

 
Daywalker said:
Democrats should set impeachment hearing up right before election.

Talking healthcare and all that is great until Trump shuts down the border and takes all the oxygen out of the room.  He will control the coverage again like did in 2016.  Will be different than 2018.
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sho nuff said:
This is not the greatest show.
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Sheriff Bart said:
It's the truth though.  See Trump University for starters. What's distasteful is that this horrible person is POTUS. 
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Gr00vus said:
He is a con man. A brazenly obvious one at that. Sadly, even though obvious, he's taken in 33% of the U.S. voting population.
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Henry Ford said:
Is it? I don’t find it to be. He’s perpetrated a number of frauds on customers and television viewers, and in fact has paid out lawsuits based on them. I certainly apologize to him if that’s how he feels about it.  
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[scooter] said:
Trump University was a con. His charity was a con. He funded his casinos through cons. He conned his way out of bankruptcy. His fake book was a con. His hair is a con. He tried to con his way into the NFL twice but they sniffed him out. His sister was just pushed into retirement to avoid explaining her involvement in a family con. He conned campaign donors to pay off a porn star. His continued emolument conflicts are an ongoing con against the good people of the United States. Bone spurs = con. 6-3/239 = con.

He is without a doubt the most successful con man in the history of this country.
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Gr00vus said:
Just for context, the Merriam Webster definition of confidence man (aka con man):

"a person who tricks other people in order to get their money"
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McJose said:
I voted Gary Johnson for SCOTUS,  FWIW.
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urbanhack said:
He is a con man bro. Sorry you choose not to see it. 
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zoonation said:
What would you call Trump University?
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Reading the last page of this thread is pretty much exactly like reading the first page of the Trump thread from a couple yrs ago.

You guys never get tired of posting the same thing? For years??

It's fascinating. Never saw anything like it.

Carry on ..

 
Bozeman Bruiser said:
This is how far the goal posts have moved?
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I can stop you right there.  I am not describing goal posts.  I was summarizing the results of a criminal investigation. 

I would read the rest but i got this far

Bozeman Bruiser said:
Russians interfered with the election on Obama's watch and he did nothing to prevent it. 
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And realized it was probably more stuff like this which simply isn't true.  Sorry if that post took a bunch of time. 

 
bostonfred said:
I can stop you right there.  I am not describing goal posts.  I was summarizing the results of a criminal investigation. 

I would read the rest but i got this far

And realized it was probably more stuff like this which simply isn't true.  Sorry if that post took a bunch of time. 
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Obama did know about Russia and what they were trying to do.

 
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