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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (10 Viewers)

Travis the Chimp said:
These guys are going to be in orange jumpsuits and you and Saints are going to be holding your ground here that they've got it all wrong. You guys are loyal soldiers to your team I'll give you that. 
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Are you meaning this sarcastically or in opposite world?  I never voted for Obama.  What do I have all wrong?  Please cote something ...anythjng legitimate.  That shouldn't be hard for an independent with no te to come  up with a legitimate link to something.  Something Obama did in this to go to jail...

 
Widbil83 said:
You guys are really complaining about sources and lying right now? After Clapper and Brennan said under oath there was no collusion in 2017, yet turned around and said there was in every interview for 3 years on CNN? This takes some nerve.
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Yes...because the poster in question has for a while dismissed anything from sources like the NYT and Washington Post...but posts things from far less reputable sources like Breitbart and now twitchy.  See the hypocrisy in that.

Also, have i cited Brennan? Clapper? CNN (who still rates as more credible than Breitbart and twitchy).

Also, you seem to be parsing things  to continue a rant about Clapper and Brennan. 

 
GoBirds said:
It’s weird how they post from many questionable sources that fit their agenda then only call out the other sources that don’t fit their agenda? I’m seeing a pattern.  
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Except we aren't posting from questionable sources Birds...thats the whole point.  The pattern  is Trump calls something fake news, complains about the media...Trump supporters call out reputable sources yet link to thjngs far more questionable.

Do you believe Breitbart and twitchy are credible sources?

 
BladeRunner said:
Yeah, kind of like the NYTimes, Wapo, Vox, MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, HuffPo, DailyKos and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

Let's not pretend that it's just "the other side" that is lying and spoon-feeding narratives.
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Who is posting Vox and Daily Kos?  CNN, NYT, Washington Post,ABC, NBC, CBS...they don't come close to Breitbart and twitchy.  Hell throw out both Fox and CNN...as equals.  This is laughable.

 
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sho nuff said:
Well yeah...how many times did we hear wait til Horowitz?...now its Durham.  

We are at the point where far right wing opinion sites are being posted over the words of Inspectors General and federal judges.
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False. 
 

Over the word of deep state appointed IG or Federal Judges or the word of above referenced as filtered by liberal sources and/or partisan anti-Administration operatives.  

 
knowledge dropper said:
False. 
 

Over the word of deep state appointed IG or Federal Judges or the word of above referenced as filtered by liberal sources and/or partisan anti-Administration operatives.  
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This is more conspiracy theory crap.  You are proving my point.

Horowitz is now deep state? Sullivan too?

I filtered nothing through what you are claiming. I posted the actual reports.

 
Every time you guys just about convince me America getting a divorce is a bad idea, all I have to do is wait a few weeks and I'm right back to the country needs a divorce. 

 
knowledge dropper said:
False. 

Over the word of deep state appointed IG or Federal Judges or the word of above referenced as filtered by liberal sources and/or partisan anti-Administration operatives.  
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Just out of curiosity, if Trump claims about the involvement of Obama, Biden and Clapper and other deepstaters prove to be true, would you be in favor of a tribunal of members appointed by Trump to hear the cases?

 
@SaintsInDome2006 man you... well you have the patience’s of a saint. You’re doing gods work pushing that giant boulder up Mt. Everest and you never make it personal.  You’re a better man then I.  
 

@Snotbubbles I just wanted to shout you out too.  While I don’t agree with your position I do very much appreciate your style.  No rolling emoji’s, lib owning or condescension.  Thank you, seriously.  

 
dkp993 said:
@SaintsInDome2006 man you... well you have the patience’s of a saint. You’re doing gods work pushing that giant boulder up Mt. Everest and you never make it personal.  You’re a better man then I.  
 

@Snotbubbles I just wanted to shout you out too.  While I don’t agree with your position I do very much appreciate your style.  No rolling emoji’s, lib owning or condescension.  Thank you, seriously.  
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Thanks, yep agree on Mr. Bubbles, a pleasure discussing opposite POV’s.

 
sho nuff said:
Well yeah...how many times did we hear wait til Horowitz?...now its Durham.  

We are at the point where far right wing opinion sites are being posted over the words of Inspectors General and federal judges.
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A friend of mine who is a Republican spent months talking about Horowtiz nailing the Left.  Now he's on Durham and as of yesterday the Flynn situation is going to put Trump in play in "ALL 50 STATES!".  Friends are friends....much more important than politics and I'm going to feel bad for him when this thing doesn't go over the way he thinks it will.  I don't believe that this is final line in the sand.....( as I'm sure we'll get more of "her e-mails", "Obama/Solyndra" and stuff of that nature to try to throw red meat to the base)......but when Durham doesn't drop an irrefutable, concrete turd on the parties' involved table.....it's going to take a lot of wind out of a lot of sails.

That being said, I also wouldn't be surprised when this thing is used a carrot by Trump to get his people to the polls:

"We need more people....great people....great Americans like you.....to go to the polls and help Durham...a great man out....in exposing what the Democrats did....I know what they did..you wouldn't believe what they did.  I saw it....but can't tell you because they don't want me to until AFTER the election.....it's horrible...its un-American....it a gar...garga....garantu?...huge affront to ALL Americans who voted for me...so go vote again.... so you can finally see the horror...the great horror....that I know about...I knew it YEARS ago.....but can't tell you right now....even though I COULD because I'm the President...."

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
The ideology is expressly authoritarian now. No longer ‘the quiet part’.
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It hasn't been for a while.  Remember in 2017 when Trump claimed:  

"Let me tell you, the one that matters is me," Trump said in an interview that aired on Fox News on Thursday night. "I'm the only one that matters, because when it comes to it, that's what the policy is going to be. You've seen that, you've seen it strongly."

Republicans had a clear chance with the impeachment to put an end to this,  but demurred from punishing someone that extorted a foreign government to help his reelection.  Much like with Barr's coverups, the only extoled reason is that Trump is above the law.  L'etat c'est Trump.

Are we even going to be able to have a valid Presidential election in November?  Why would we think Trump stops short of that when the GOP will back anything he does, no matter how corrupt.

 
So to the layman...it goes something like this.  Is this accurate?

Flynn works for Obama.

Obama doesn't like Flynn...kicks him to the curb.

Flynn doesn't like Obama.  Starts talking smack about the CiC. 

Flynn starts talking to Trump.  Trump likes him. Realizes Obama doesn't like Flynn.  Makes Trump like him more.

Obama warns Trump that there's something not right with Flynn.  Trump says "screw you".  I'm the POTUS now....this guy doesn't like you....it makes me like him more.  YOU'RE HIRED, FLYNNIE!"

Obama, Still the CiC, says "something ain't right about this election, Michelle.  Russia did something....I know it". He throws a little shade Russias way.

Flynn says "screw you Obama....you're dunzo at 16 hundy.  I WIN.  I'm talking to Russia. I can do whatever I want now. FBI/CIA ears perk up. 

Trump and Putin say "Yeah....Obama you're dunzo".... you have no say in this thing anymore".

While still in office, as the CiC....Obama meets with top agents and says "This Flynn cat.....keep an eye on his ###.  I don't know about him.  He's been chattering at Russia ALOT lately. Love you guys, I'm out."

Flynn gets the job and gets interviewed about his conversations with Russia.  FBI floats a whole bunch of ideas on how to conduct the interview.

Flynn says "You ain't got noting no me, see"...." YOU AIN'T GOT ####!...I didn't do nothing wrong".

Flynn then says "yeah...Veep...I kind of lied to you....I MIGHT have done something wrong. I quit"

 
Thunderlips said:
So to the layman...it goes something like this.  Is this accurate?

Flynn works for Obama.

Obama doesn't like Flynn...kicks him to the curb.

Flynn doesn't like Obama.  Starts talking smack about the CiC. 

Flynn starts talking to Trump.  Trump likes him. Realizes Obama doesn't like Flynn.  Makes Trump like him more.

Obama warns Trump that there's something not right with Flynn.  Trump says "screw you".  I'm the POTUS now....this guy doesn't like you....it makes me like him more.  YOU'RE HIRED, FLYNNIE!"

Obama, Still the CiC, says "something ain't right about this election, Michelle.  Russia did something....I know it". He throws a little shade Russias way.

Flynn says "screw you Obama....you're dunzo at 16 hundy.  I WIN.  I'm talking to Russia. I can do whatever I want now. FBI/CIA ears perk up. 

Trump and Putin say "Yeah....Obama you're dunzo".... you have no say in this thing anymore".

While still in office, as the CiC....Obama meets with top agents and says "This Flynn cat.....keep an eye on his ###.  I don't know about him.  He's been chattering at Russia ALOT lately. Love you guys, I'm out."

Flynn gets the job and gets interviewed about his conversations with Russia.  FBI floats a whole bunch of ideas on how to conduct the interview.

Flynn says "You ain't got noting no me, see"...." YOU AIN'T GOT ####!...I didn't do nothing wrong".

Flynn then says "yeah...Veep...I kind of lied to you....I MIGHT have done something wrong. I quit"
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You're missing the part where Flynn joins the Trump campaign while simulatanously working for the Turkish government.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Yes he laid it out in a long memo. Basically no Marbury, no Congressional authority, and putting the Constitution on it’s head.
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At the heart of the argument from Barr, and whomever else, is that our government begins and ends with the Constitution. Forgoing any case law, precedents, statutes, amendments, and so on? Because it seems, whenever someone argues a point they'd like to make, they want to always quote the four pages of the Constitution... either forgetting or just nullifying (for whatever reason) that 240 years of case law is... poof.

Is that where every argument begins and ends... in that brief 116 days? That is what it seems to be each and every day.

 
Challenge Everything said:
At the heart of the argument from Barr, and whomever else, is that our government begins and ends with the Constitution. Forgoing any case law, precedents, statutes, amendments, and so on? Because it seems, whenever someone argues a point they'd like to make, they want to always quote the four pages of the Constitution... either forgetting or just nullifying (for whatever reason) that 240 years of case law is... poof.

Is that where every argument begins and ends... in that brief 116 days? That is what it seems to be each and every day.
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Sure, but for Barr co-equal branches of government means the branches are independent entities, so whatever power they have they have, but it just so happens the unitary power for executing the laws rests in the President. Not the “administration”, the President. Or to paraphrase Josef Zhugashvili, how many divisions does the Supreme Court or Congress have?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Sure, but for Barr co-equal branches of government means the branches are independent entities, so whatever power they have they have, but it just so happens the unitary power for executing the laws rests in the President. Not the “administration”, the President. Or to paraphrase Josef Zhugashvili, how many divisions does the Supreme Court or Congress have?
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They are willfully choosing to ignore, don't accept, or cannot conceive, that for 240+ years, the branches would work together to form one unit? The word "conjunction" doesn't apply or "in conjunction" isn't comprehended? Again, 240+ years of case law... garbage.

 
Challenge Everything said:
They are willfully choosing to ignore, don't accept, or cannot conceive, that for 240+ years, the branches would work together to form one unit? The word "conjunction" doesn't apply or "in conjunction" isn't comprehended? Again, 240+ years of case law... garbage.
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Barr's argument before the Federalist Society in 2018 (IIRC) was that America simply got the formula wrong for the last 240 years and the Founders actually designed a top down, imperial model. So yeah, wipe all that away.

 
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This is a good read on Flynn.  He’s not exactly a sympathetic figure.  But Saints’ ‘do gooder intelligence officials literally did nothing wrong, law and order’ bs is extremely tiresome, and wrong. 

It’s not a joke.  Flynn was set up and targeted by the intelligence apparatus for a long time.  They did this, among other things, because he opposed our practice of arming & funding terrorists in Syria.  

https ://taibbi.substack.com/p/military-vs-military

General Michael Flynn isn’t easy to sell as a victim. He really did lead chants of “Lock her up!” at the RNC in 2016, really called Milo Yiannopoulis “one of the most brave people I’ve met,” and seems to have believed Trump won the popular vote. 

Flynn is also a puzzle. He’s been outspoken and critical of America’s Middle East adventures in a way that’s almost unheard of in a military man. In a paper about Afghanistan he once wrote, he said, “Merely killing insurgents usually serves to multiply enemies rather than subtract them.” He denounced our intel there as “ignorant,” “incurious,” and “disengaged.”

Flynn was pushed out as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014 after a series of clashes with civilian leadership and figures within the defense and intelligence realms, acquiring a reputation as difficult, mercurial character around whom too many unwelcome news stories occurred. He had been an intelligence advisor to Stanley McChrystal, and also publicly opposed the Obama government’s Syria policy in a way that earned him a lot of disfavor.

Stars and Stripes reported he “came to view Obama as head of a worldwide crime cartel supporting jihadist ideas,” views derived from a belief that plans to topple Bashar al-Assad had aided — whether inadvertently or not — extreme Islamic groups like the Nusra front. 

Way back in 2012, a DIA analyst produced a report warning that a misguided effort at regime change in Syria could lead to:

“a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in Eastern Syria… exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime….”

This became the fulcrum of the dispute later described in a pair of sensational and controversial exposes by famed muckraker Sy Hersh, beginning with a 2013 report called, “Whose Sarin?” The piece did not say that Assad hadn’t done the bombing, merely that some American intelligence officers believed there was at least another suspect in the attack near Damascus. Hersh wrote:

The White House’s misrepresentation of what it knew about the attack, and when, was matched by its readiness to ignore intelligence that could undermine the narrative. That information concerned al-Nusra…

The Hersh report in the London Review of Books quoted a military official describing the Sarin attack as a “ruse,” comparable to the Gulf of Tonkin episode, i.e. a provocation designed to draw us into a regime-toppling war. Hersh wasn’t the only one to report something like this. In Britain, award-winning reporter Robert Fisk also reported in The Independent details about al-Nusra men transporting “chemical precursors” to Sarin, and went on to raise questions more than once about the attack, quoting aid workers and other on-the-ground sources.

No news outlet in the United States would go anywhere near this story. In fact, it quickly became so toxic in the United States, many news organizations to this won’t even link to it or discuss it. 

Flynn would eventually get in trouble not only for suggesting the Sarin attack in Syria might not have been the work of Assad, but for saying the forbidden thing in Russia. He was asked during a 2015 visit to Moscow hosted by RT if perhaps Turkish intelligence had been behind the attack. Flynn answered: 

Who knows? I don't have a good answer for you. I'm not able to answer your specific question.

This would later get a lot of headlines, especially in the context of the Russiagate mess. But the Sarin episode was actually the less controversial assertion Flynn made with regard to Syria. The more explosive story was the second piece by Hersh for the London Review of Books, quoting Flynn in January of 2016. 

Called “Military to Military,” the sprawling expose told what, if true, was an amazing story: the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff in the Obama years were defying civilian leadership and passing intelligence to Russia, Israel and Germany, with the understanding that this intel would be sent on to Assad to combat local Islamic groups. 

The report quoted a “former JCS adviser” who said it was:

A military to military thing, and not some sort of a sinister Joint Chiefs’ plot to go around Obama and support Assad. 

Military figures, Hersh reported, believed Obama’s “insistence on continuing to finance and arm the so-called moderate rebel groups” in Syria would lead to disaster. This group felt Turkey was misleading America and its allies, rerouting “guns and goods” not just to moderates in Syria but to all opposition forces there, including groups like al-Nusra, with the aim of regime change in Damascus.

It was believed Turkey was willing to take that risk to achieve Assad’s fall as a step toward a larger dream of restoring the Ottoman empire.

Flynn said, on the record: “Turkey was looking the other way when it came to the growth of the Islamic State inside Syria.” 

Flynn gave another defiant interview to Mehdi Hasan of Al Jazeera in 2015 after he’d been pushed out of office, saying it was a “willful decision” by the Obama administration to “do what they’re doing.” He suggested his superiors had made decisions that empowered insurgent groups dating back years. 

“I will tell you, it goes before 2012,” he said. “When we were in Iraq, and we had decisions to be made before there was a decision to pull out of Iraq.”

All of this was part of a containment-vs.-regime change debate that recalled a more intense, confusing version of the WMD episode. Flynn belonged to a group within the defense community that believed in sharing intelligence with Russia to thwart anti-Assad groups in Syria. These people felt refusing to do so meant being “captive to Cold War thinking.”

He was vigorously opposed in this by an array of people and institutions who were criticizing Obama from an opposite perspective.

Throughout Obama’s second term especially, a host of figures, from John McCain to Hillary Clinton to Obama Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, seemed infuriated by what they saw as Obama’s refusal to act more decisively in Syria. They wanted to see Obama punish Assad and Russia both, especially when Assad was said to have crossed the “red line” by using those chemical weapons in 2013.

“For Mr. Putin, vacillation invites aggression,” wrote McCain in a 2014 op-ed. He and others challenged Obama to confront Putin more directly, over Russia’s move into Crimea and its ties to Assad. Alexander Motl of the Atlantic Council, which would become a principal purveyor of Russiagate panic, was writing “Russia: It’s Time For Regime Change” as far back as January, 2015 — long before the first glimmers of the current scandal over election interference.  

Another person challenging Flynn was Michael Morell, former acting director of the CIA. Morell in 2016 was set to become Hillary Clinton’s CIA director if she won election, even though he had once been the target of intense criticism of Hill Democrats. Aides to Senator Diane Feinstein composed a Senate Intelligence Committee report released in June of 2015 that claimed Morell made a series of factual misstatements about torture and other topics in his book, “The Great War of Our Time.” 

However, Morell had been a reliable front man for the intelligence community during the Obama years. He took the lead in slapping down another Hersh expose challenging the official, Hollywood-ready take on the heroic capture of bin Laden. The Obama administration always insisted it daringly flew into Pakistan on its own intel, without the knowledge or assent of Pakistan’s ISI intelligence service. 

Hersh told a different story. Quoting former ISI chief Asad Durrani and identifying the CIA station chief in Islamabad by name, he claimed bin Laden had been captured and killed after a negotiation with Pakistan, calling the idea that the ISI wasn’t involved “Lewis Carroll” and “comical.”

Once again, this wasn’t the only report suggesting something like this. An old colleague of mine, Carlotta Gall of the New York Times, had also run a piece suggesting Pakistan knew where bin Laden was. Carlotta spent 12 years covering Pakistan and Afghanistan for the Times. She would later report something she learned while researching a book:

I learned from a high-level member of the Pakistani intelligence service that the ISI had been hiding Bin Laden and ran a desk specifically to handle him as an intelligence asset.

When it came time for the U.S. to respond to Hersh’s story, the Obama administration did so in the person of Morell, who denounced the Hersh piece as “all wrong.” Much of the press corps sided with Morell, with Peter Bergen of CNN calling the Hersh story a “farrago of nonsense.” 

Similarly, when it came time to respond to the release of that damaging DIA report suggesting regime change efforts might lead to empowered terrorists in Syria, Morell was a key voice. He jumped in when Trump decided to make Flynn’s assertions on that score into a campaign issue.

During the 2016 race, Trump tweeted – this was the beginning of the moment in history when it started to be true that a Trump tweet was at the root of every major American cultural argument – that Hillary Clinton had been privy to the 2012 DIA warning. He linked to a Breitbart article entitled, “Hillary Clinton Received Secret Memo Stating Obama Admin ‘Support’ for ISIS.” 

This is turn triggered a Politico editorial by Morell calling the assertion “nonsense” and a “conspiracy theory,” in early summer of 2016. The Washington Post agreed, calling Trump’s claim that the United States was “actively supporting” terror groups “bizarre.” 

Which it was, sort of. It would have been more accurate to say elements within the military believed the Obama administration pursued policies that might have overestimated the strength of moderates in Syria, underestimated the possibility weapons would end up in the wrong hands, or perhaps – as analyst Hugh Roberts suggested, also in the London Review of Books– simply viewed groups like al-Nusra as “useful auxiliaries in the anti-Assad drive.” 

In any case, just a few weeks after calling Trump out about ISIS, Morell became one of the first people to accuse Trump of being an “unwitting agent” of Putin. (Oddly, about a half year after, just as the Russiagate frenzy was taking off, Morell tried to pour cold water on the furor. He said of collusion, there was “smoke, but no fire, at all.”)

All of this is perhaps-tiresome but necessary background to the Flynn story. Before Russiagate was a thought in anyone’s mind, he aroused disdain in Washington over the Syria issue from the very corners that would later accuse him of being part of a conspiracy. 

In fact, the Syria-dispute battle lines would go on to track almost exactly with Russiagate throughout, in stories involving Flynn and not. Individuals like McCain and groups like the Atlantic Council were key players in both narratives. It would be improbable if the enmity Flynn generated from his years in the DIA didn’t impact his later Russia-related media scandals, some of which were extremely fishy. 

The most transparent involved an incident in 2014 at Cambridge University, involving a PhD candidate named Svetlana Lokhova.

This story has been in the news a bit since late March, but the import of it seems to have eluded American audiences. There’s no way to juggle the details to make it anything but a bizarre intentional concoction for the benefit of the press.

To begin with, reporters from multiple news organizations, on both sides of the Atlantic, appear to have been told Flynn had an affair he did not have. Lokhova describes being asked by MSNBC reporters about the alleged relationship, saying they had been told by an intelligence source that in the CIA, “everyone knows” Flynn had the affair. Other newspapers contacted her co-workers and superiors, asking about her sex life.

I contacted four news organizations to ask if they’d been told by official sources that Flynn and Lokhova had an affair. None answered on the record, and that includes outlets like the Wall Street Journal that did respond to other queries. 

The affair tale didn’t make the papers, but stories did run about the visit Flynn made as DIA chief to a seminar at Cambridge in February of 2014, in which he allegedly paid “disconcerting” attention to Lokhova at an official dinner.

This came out in the Wall Street Journal in early 2017, under a headline suggesting the newsworthy impropriety was Flynn’s failure to disclose the contact with Lokhova. 

A “former official” told the paper Flynn was expected to “notify officials about any contacts with foreigners he didn’t know,” adding in a quote that people like Flynn are “indoctrinated to report any anomalous behavior that you detect.”

The paper added, however, that rules about such contacts aren’t “ironclad,” and quoted Dan O’Brien, chief of the DIA’s liaison office, pooh-poohing the idea this was “anomalous” contact. “Nothing rose to that level,” said O’Brien, who was there, with, he said, about twenty graduate students.

The Flynn-Lokhova encounter was a five-person conversation lasting about fifteen minutes, taking place literally under the noses of two luminaries of the British intelligence world: former Mi6 chief Sir Richard Dearlove and Mi5 historian Christopher Andrew. Lokhova was an invited, pre-approved guest, sitting next to the former head of British intelligence. 

“Everyone’s names were submitted,” Lokhova says. “The DIA was copied... The idea that this was unreported is absurd.”

The Journal piece went on to say Lokhova sat next to Flynn (she actually seems to have been across from him, next to Dearlove). It quoted an article by Lokhova’s professor and mentor, Andrew, saying she’d shown Flynn an “erotic postcard.” 

The postcard is a joke. It was sent by a fugitive Joseph Stalin to the fiancée of a friend who’d helped him escape exile in 1912. In it, Stalin pretends to be an ardent suitor of his friend’s fiancée, presumably for the benefit of Tsarist Okhrana spies who’d be reading it (Lokhova and Andrew got the postcard precisely because it was in fact intercepted and retained in official archives). 

Stalin ended the postcard writing, “I kiss you h-h-hotly (just kissing isn’t enough).” Thinking about Stalin kissing doesn’t tweak the erotic nerve for me, but it all came off as a honeypot come-on in print.

Asked about the piece, the Journal replied:

Nothing about the Journal's story can fairly be read to suggest that Ms. Lokhova was a spy. Instead, the Journal's article was a straightforward report about investigators’ concern that Mr. Flynn failed to report his interaction with a woman of dual British-Russian citizenship to the Department of Defense, despite established practice.

Nobody in the press was ever called about this at the time it happened in 2014, when, after all, Flynn was still one of America’s top intel chiefs. In fact, it’s not clear when it first came up as an issue. Flynn seems to have passed a security review after that dinner. It would be nearly three years before concerns about the encounter spilled out, in three different narratives.

Reporters were first pitched tales of an affair, then told Flynn failed to report the contact, then finally told the problem was an official warning that was “passed” to American authorities about the incident.

In this last iteration of the story, two people were said to be “alarmed” and “disconcerted” by the “apparent closeness” Flynn showed in that fifteen-minute group conversation: Dearlove, and Stefan Halper, the professor and Cambridge Intelligence Seminar sponsor who was in the process of being publicly outed as an FBI informant when this story broke.

Halper and Dearlove were said to have thought Flynn may have been “compromised by Russian intelligence” because of the attention paid to Lokhova, even though she worked in close quarters with senior British intelligence vets for years, before and after the “disconcerting” incident. 

If any of the DIA, Dearlove, or Cambridge University had concerns about Lokhova, they had a funny way of showing it. For more than a year after, Lokhova kept being invited to high-level functions with visiting intelligence officials, Americans included.

On May 1, 2015, for instance, the Cambridge Intelligence Seminar director sent a group email worrying about the coming visit of Obama’s new DIA chief, General Vincent Stewart.

“Unfortunately, neither myself, Chris Andrew nor Sir Richard Dearlove will be in Cambridge (or in the country) that day, we thus have a problem,” the director wrote. Addressing Lokhova and other grad students, the Seminar head hoped they would all “meet with General Stewart” to “discover what each of you is working on.”

“A bad spy novel,” Lokhova told me. “Nobody would buy this novel.”

Halper is said not to have made the complaint himself. This is the New York Times account, from May, 2018:

The source was alarmed by the general’s apparent closeness with a Russian woman who was also in attendance. The concern was strong enough that it prompted another person to pass on a warning to the American authorities that Mr. Flynn could be compromised…

If Halper was FBI, and he was the one “alarmed,” why did “another person” need to make the warning? 

It might be because he was not even at the dinner in question. At least, I haven’t been able to confirm that he was there. If he was, he doesn’t seem to have been within earshot of the infamous conversation, according to Lokhova and one other source.

Moreover, when did the warning happen? Why didn’t it come up in late 2016 and early 2017, when the Financial Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post and other news outlets were all getting calls from official sources about this dinner? 

The press naturally responded to all of this in mature fashion. MSNBC in summer 2018 had Malcolm Nance on, saying Flynn “may have had contact with a Russian intelligence officer” at Cambridge. Nance also tweeted that Flynn was “caught in an FSB honeypot.” 

There’s no evidence Lokhova was ever interviewed by any authorities or suspected of any intelligence links. She appears to be just an ethnically Russian person who interacted with Flynn. Why anyone would go through the trouble of trying to make his interactions with her into a headline seems at least as newsworthy as the interaction itself.

Years after this “disconcerting” encounter with Flynn, Lokhova, who had never socialized with Halper and disliked him, was invited to dinner with Halper and his wife. The invite came via an email by Andrew in January of 2016:

Dear Svetlana…

Stef and Lezlee Halper have opted for dinner at [redacted] on Sat 20 Feb, so please keep that date free and join us

best wishes

Chris

Lokhova insisted the invite “does not prove anything other than it was strange at the time.” Still, given Halper’s activities later that year, it’s odd.

The “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation didn’t officially begin until the end of July of that year. But it’s known Halper first communicated with Carter Page at a conference in England over a month before that start date. This is usually either not explained at all in press reports, or explained as possibly pertaining to some other investigation. 

Washington Monthly suggested there was an ongoing probe of Page related to an earlier attempt by three convicted Russian spies to recruit him. As such there was “no reason” the mag could see to “question any of [Halper’s] activities as inappropriate.” Why however would Halper want to talk with Lokhova earlier that year, after being so concerned about her? 

Two other Flynn stories were less obviously ridiculous, but still framed in odd ways. Flynn’s infamous December 2015 visit to Russia, when he sat next to Vladimir Putin, was an oft-circulated sensational item passed to reporters in the summer of 2016. Among other things, it ended up in ex-spy Christopher Steele’s Dossier.

Flynn’s RT visit caused much rending of garments and exploding of media heads. It was one of the data points that led Al Franken to suggest Flynn was a “danger to the Republic,” for instance. The Mueller report’s disclosure that Flynn was already under investigation “based on his relationship with the Russian government,” which has been hinted at a few times previously, is presumed to be connected to this event. 

This story, too, followed a weird arc. Well after it became a public controversy, Flynn’s lawyer, Robert Kelner, made a statement that Flynn “extensively” briefed the DIA “before and after” the Russia trip. This disclaimer soon started appearing in news reports about the trip, which focused more on the failure to report the payment.  

In May 2017, the Defense Intelligence Agency gave the Senate Judiciary Committee a classified briefing about Flynn. In August, then-Senate Judiciary chief Chuck Grassley sent this letter asking for permission to declassify “a key piece of information” presented by the DIA in that May interaction, adding “public release would not pose any ongoing risk to national security” and would “be in the public interest.” 

The declassification never happened, but there’s been at least one report from John Solomon at The Hill seeming to hint at its contents. Solomon said Flynn had extensive meetings with the DIA before and after the trip, briefings that included “between two and nine intelligence officials” and “produced moderately useful” information. 

Was this a story about an embittered, cash-hungry ex-DIA selling out to Vladimir Putin, or was it about an official from a world where nobody ever really retires who went on an approved fact-finding trip? 

Fitting the pattern, the most nefarious version of this tale was leaked first, while complicating details trickled out after headlines had already circled the earth a few thousand times. This meant a story that would have been more of a jump ball had everything been presented at once instead became a damning element of the collusion narrative.

Same goes for the most damaging of the Flynn stories: the January 12, 2017 Washington Post story by David Ignatius, in which news leaked that Flynn had spoken to Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak by phone after Obama expelled Russian diplomats. The key passage:

According to a senior U.S. government official, Flynn phoned Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak several times on Dec. 29, the day the Obama administration announced the expulsion of 35 Russian officials as well as other measures in retaliation for the hacking. What did Flynn say, and did it undercut the U.S. sanctions? The Logan Act (though never enforced) bars U.S. citizens from correspondence intending to influence a foreign government about “disputes” with the United States. Was its spirit violated?

This was a monster of a story. It was no small thing (legally least of all) for the content of this kind of intercept to be given to a reporter. 

Moreover, it came out more or less simultaneous to the explosive publication of the Steele dossier, along with the accompanying leaked tale of Trump being handed the report by four intel chiefs. In this environment, any story about any contact with a Russian seemed like a world-detonating event.

The Ignatius piece had the country in a panic almost overnight. Acting Attorney General Sally Yates said she believed Flynn was “compromised,” for instance.

What did Flynn actually do in those calls with Kislyak? He eventually pleaded guilty to lying about two things.

The first offense involved not disclosing he’d pushed other countries to oppose a major U.N. Security Council vote condemning Israeli settlements. Apparently, he asked Kislyak and other countries to oppose or delay the vote, which eventually passed (with only the U.S. abstaining).

The other count involved telling investigators “Not really. I don’t remember. It wasn’t, ‘Don’t do anything,’” when asked if he’d told Kislyak not to engage in a “###-for-tat” response to Barack Obama’s parting expulsions of Russian diplomats for election interference. 

The Israeli issue seems more serious, a seeming effort to conduct foreign policy before taking office. According to Mueller, Donald Trump even called Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi on December 22, just before al-Sisi postponed the U.N. vote.

If anything is a Logan Act violation, it’s that, but this was never near the public scandal the Kislyak call turned into. Compared to the Israeli vote, convincing Russia not to overreact to expulsions seems like a relatively minor issue, unless it’s part of a larger Russian conspiracy. In isolation, how nefarious would that call have been? Even Ignatius, in his Post piece, wrote:

If the Trump team’s contacts helped discourage the Russians from a counter-retaliation, maybe that’s a good thing. But we ought to know the facts.

Four days after Trump was inaugurated, Flynn was interrogated by the FBI in the White House. Agents described him as “relaxed and jocular” when they came knocking, even offering to give them a “little tour” of the area around his West Wing office. This scene is bizarre from every angle. To be unaware the FBI was coming straight for his cohones in that moment seems unthinkable, especially for a man whose ostensible job was to be paranoid on behalf of the United States. 

Shortly after that, in response to a Judiciary Committee request for a transcript of the Flynn call, then-FBI director James Comey instead briefed the committee in person.

In this briefing he described the circumstances of calls made from the Dominican Republic by the vacationing (too hard?) Flynn to Kislyak in late December 2016, and conveyed the impression of investigating agents that they “saw nothing that led them to believe [he was] lying” in his interview.

Flynn did go on to plead guilty to lying to the FBI about those contacts. But that didn’t end the matter for everyone. The Senate Judiciary Committee kept on asking for the transcripts of the calls, for comparison purposes. The Department of Justice, in the person of Rod Rosenstein, kept refusing. Grassley’s second letter to Rosenstein about this issue is remarkable. It all but spells out the idea that Flynn’s plea deal doesn’t fit the actual facts of the case:

Congress and the American people to be aware of any such inconsistencies that may exist. Congress needs to see the underlying evidence itself, not merely the conclusions about the evidence that prosecutors and a defendant have agreed to describe publicly.

This dispute remains ongoing, one of a number of bitter arguments that have broken out about this case. What is the issue here? We probably won’t know unless and until the documents are made public.

The most genuinely damning story about Flynn that came out during this time was not about Russia, but Turkey. On November 8, 2016, Flynn published an Op-Ed in The Hill called “Our Ally Turkey is in Crisis and Needs Our Support.” 

The piece denounced Turkish cleric Fethullah Gülen as a radical Islamist and “Turkey’s bin Laden.” Flynn claimed Gülen was behind a July 2016 coup attempt, and said the United States should deny him entry.

Flynn seems to have gotten his talking points from two men who were subsequently charged with violating FARA, the foreign-influence lobbying law. Flynn has not been charged, and is merely “Person A” in the indictment. Notably, the indictment of Flynn in the other, Russia-related case mentions “materially false statements” he was said to have made about Turkey. Why has he not been charged in the Turkey case? 

The pattern in a lot of the stories like Flynn’s is an accusation of an improper Russian connection, followed by an intense investigation, followed by the investigated figure lying or stumbling under questioning, spurring more headlines and more investigation.

But in the end we often find that the reason for investigating in the first place is dubious or at least flawed, itself wrapped in deceptions or public misrepresentations, making it a giant chicken-egg mess: who lied first, the investigators or the investigated?

The one concrete conclusion of the Mueller report is that whatever was going on in each of these individual cases, in the end they proved not to be related, or at least not related to a conspiracy with Russia to interfere with the election.

But were they related in any way? What evidence ever existed tying all of these disparate episodes and characters together – Page, Manafort, Papadopoulos, Flynn, even Michael Caputo? In some of these cases it’s not clear there was ever an official Russian connection anywhere in the investigative picture, yet they all ended up lumped in the same pile. 

Much like the episode with Lokhova, the notion that all of the dots connected seems to have been as much as anything else a media provocation. Many of these legends began with the rollout of the FBI probe, in a March 20th, 2017 congressional hearing involving James Comey – where members of congress and their witnesses knew both more and less than they were letting on for the cameras.
 
ren hoek said:
This is a good read on Flynn.  He’s not exactly a sympathetic figure.  But Saints’ ‘do gooder intelligence officials literally did nothing wrong, law and order’ bs is extremely tiresome, and wrong. 

It’s not a joke.  Flynn was set up and targeted by the intelligence apparatus for a long time.  They did this, among other things, because he opposed our practice of arming & funding terrorists in Syria.  

https ://taibbi.substack.com/p/military-vs-military

General Michael Flynn isn’t easy to sell as a victim. He really did lead chants of “Lock her up!” at the RNC in 2016, really called Milo Yiannopoulis “one of the most brave people I’ve met,” and seems to have believed Trump won the popular vote. 

Flynn is also a puzzle. He’s been outspoken and critical of America’s Middle East adventures in a way that’s almost unheard of in a military man. In a paper about Afghanistan he once wrote, he said, “Merely killing insurgents usually serves to multiply enemies rather than subtract them.” He denounced our intel there as “ignorant,” “incurious,” and “disengaged.”

Flynn was pushed out as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014 after a series of clashes with civilian leadership and figures within the defense and intelligence realms, acquiring a reputation as difficult, mercurial character around whom too many unwelcome news stories occurred. He had been an intelligence advisor to Stanley McChrystal, and also publicly opposed the Obama government’s Syria policy in a way that earned him a lot of disfavor.

Stars and Stripes reported he “came to view Obama as head of a worldwide crime cartel supporting jihadist ideas,” views derived from a belief that plans to topple Bashar al-Assad had aided — whether inadvertently or not — extreme Islamic groups like the Nusra front. 

Way back in 2012, a DIA analyst produced a report warning that a misguided effort at regime change in Syria could lead to:

“a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in Eastern Syria… exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime….”

This became the fulcrum of the dispute later described in a pair of sensational and controversial exposes by famed muckraker Sy Hersh, beginning with a 2013 report called, “Whose Sarin?” The piece did not say that Assad hadn’t done the bombing, merely that some American intelligence officers believed there was at least another suspect in the attack near Damascus. Hersh wrote:

The White House’s misrepresentation of what it knew about the attack, and when, was matched by its readiness to ignore intelligence that could undermine the narrative. That information concerned al-Nusra…

The Hersh report in the London Review of Books quoted a military official describing the Sarin attack as a “ruse,” comparable to the Gulf of Tonkin episode, i.e. a provocation designed to draw us into a regime-toppling war. Hersh wasn’t the only one to report something like this. In Britain, award-winning reporter Robert Fisk also reported in The Independent details about al-Nusra men transporting “chemical precursors” to Sarin, and went on to raise questions more than once about the attack, quoting aid workers and other on-the-ground sources.

No news outlet in the United States would go anywhere near this story. In fact, it quickly became so toxic in the United States, many news organizations to this won’t even link to it or discuss it. 

Flynn would eventually get in trouble not only for suggesting the Sarin attack in Syria might not have been the work of Assad, but for saying the forbidden thing in Russia. He was asked during a 2015 visit to Moscow hosted by RT if perhaps Turkish intelligence had been behind the attack. Flynn answered: 

Who knows? I don't have a good answer for you. I'm not able to answer your specific question.

This would later get a lot of headlines, especially in the context of the Russiagate mess. But the Sarin episode was actually the less controversial assertion Flynn made with regard to Syria. The more explosive story was the second piece by Hersh for the London Review of Books, quoting Flynn in January of 2016. 

Called “Military to Military,” the sprawling expose told what, if true, was an amazing story: the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff in the Obama years were defying civilian leadership and passing intelligence to Russia, Israel and Germany, with the understanding that this intel would be sent on to Assad to combat local Islamic groups. 

The report quoted a “former JCS adviser” who said it was:

A military to military thing, and not some sort of a sinister Joint Chiefs’ plot to go around Obama and support Assad. 

Military figures, Hersh reported, believed Obama’s “insistence on continuing to finance and arm the so-called moderate rebel groups” in Syria would lead to disaster. This group felt Turkey was misleading America and its allies, rerouting “guns and goods” not just to moderates in Syria but to all opposition forces there, including groups like al-Nusra, with the aim of regime change in Damascus.

It was believed Turkey was willing to take that risk to achieve Assad’s fall as a step toward a larger dream of restoring the Ottoman empire.

Flynn said, on the record: “Turkey was looking the other way when it came to the growth of the Islamic State inside Syria.” 

Flynn gave another defiant interview to Mehdi Hasan of Al Jazeera in 2015 after he’d been pushed out of office, saying it was a “willful decision” by the Obama administration to “do what they’re doing.” He suggested his superiors had made decisions that empowered insurgent groups dating back years. 

“I will tell you, it goes before 2012,” he said. “When we were in Iraq, and we had decisions to be made before there was a decision to pull out of Iraq.”

All of this was part of a containment-vs.-regime change debate that recalled a more intense, confusing version of the WMD episode. Flynn belonged to a group within the defense community that believed in sharing intelligence with Russia to thwart anti-Assad groups in Syria. These people felt refusing to do so meant being “captive to Cold War thinking.”

He was vigorously opposed in this by an array of people and institutions who were criticizing Obama from an opposite perspective.

Throughout Obama’s second term especially, a host of figures, from John McCain to Hillary Clinton to Obama Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, seemed infuriated by what they saw as Obama’s refusal to act more decisively in Syria. They wanted to see Obama punish Assad and Russia both, especially when Assad was said to have crossed the “red line” by using those chemical weapons in 2013.

“For Mr. Putin, vacillation invites aggression,” wrote McCain in a 2014 op-ed. He and others challenged Obama to confront Putin more directly, over Russia’s move into Crimea and its ties to Assad. Alexander Motl of the Atlantic Council, which would become a principal purveyor of Russiagate panic, was writing “Russia: It’s Time For Regime Change” as far back as January, 2015 — long before the first glimmers of the current scandal over election interference.  

Another person challenging Flynn was Michael Morell, former acting director of the CIA. Morell in 2016 was set to become Hillary Clinton’s CIA director if she won election, even though he had once been the target of intense criticism of Hill Democrats. Aides to Senator Diane Feinstein composed a Senate Intelligence Committee report released in June of 2015 that claimed Morell made a series of factual misstatements about torture and other topics in his book, “The Great War of Our Time.” 

However, Morell had been a reliable front man for the intelligence community during the Obama years. He took the lead in slapping down another Hersh expose challenging the official, Hollywood-ready take on the heroic capture of bin Laden. The Obama administration always insisted it daringly flew into Pakistan on its own intel, without the knowledge or assent of Pakistan’s ISI intelligence service. 

Hersh told a different story. Quoting former ISI chief Asad Durrani and identifying the CIA station chief in Islamabad by name, he claimed bin Laden had been captured and killed after a negotiation with Pakistan, calling the idea that the ISI wasn’t involved “Lewis Carroll” and “comical.”

Once again, this wasn’t the only report suggesting something like this. An old colleague of mine, Carlotta Gall of the New York Times, had also run a piece suggesting Pakistan knew where bin Laden was. Carlotta spent 12 years covering Pakistan and Afghanistan for the Times. She would later report something she learned while researching a book:

I learned from a high-level member of the Pakistani intelligence service that the ISI had been hiding Bin Laden and ran a desk specifically to handle him as an intelligence asset.

When it came time for the U.S. to respond to Hersh’s story, the Obama administration did so in the person of Morell, who denounced the Hersh piece as “all wrong.” Much of the press corps sided with Morell, with Peter Bergen of CNN calling the Hersh story a “farrago of nonsense.” 

Similarly, when it came time to respond to the release of that damaging DIA report suggesting regime change efforts might lead to empowered terrorists in Syria, Morell was a key voice. He jumped in when Trump decided to make Flynn’s assertions on that score into a campaign issue.

During the 2016 race, Trump tweeted – this was the beginning of the moment in history when it started to be true that a Trump tweet was at the root of every major American cultural argument – that Hillary Clinton had been privy to the 2012 DIA warning. He linked to a Breitbart article entitled, “Hillary Clinton Received Secret Memo Stating Obama Admin ‘Support’ for ISIS.” 

This is turn triggered a Politico editorial by Morell calling the assertion “nonsense” and a “conspiracy theory,” in early summer of 2016. The Washington Post agreed, calling Trump’s claim that the United States was “actively supporting” terror groups “bizarre.” 

Which it was, sort of. It would have been more accurate to say elements within the military believed the Obama administration pursued policies that might have overestimated the strength of moderates in Syria, underestimated the possibility weapons would end up in the wrong hands, or perhaps – as analyst Hugh Roberts suggested, also in the London Review of Books– simply viewed groups like al-Nusra as “useful auxiliaries in the anti-Assad drive.” 

In any case, just a few weeks after calling Trump out about ISIS, Morell became one of the first people to accuse Trump of being an “unwitting agent” of Putin. (Oddly, about a half year after, just as the Russiagate frenzy was taking off, Morell tried to pour cold water on the furor. He said of collusion, there was “smoke, but no fire, at all.”)

All of this is perhaps-tiresome but necessary background to the Flynn story. Before Russiagate was a thought in anyone’s mind, he aroused disdain in Washington over the Syria issue from the very corners that would later accuse him of being part of a conspiracy. 

In fact, the Syria-dispute battle lines would go on to track almost exactly with Russiagate throughout, in stories involving Flynn and not. Individuals like McCain and groups like the Atlantic Council were key players in both narratives. It would be improbable if the enmity Flynn generated from his years in the DIA didn’t impact his later Russia-related media scandals, some of which were extremely fishy. 

The most transparent involved an incident in 2014 at Cambridge University, involving a PhD candidate named Svetlana Lokhova.

This story has been in the news a bit since late March, but the import of it seems to have eluded American audiences. There’s no way to juggle the details to make it anything but a bizarre intentional concoction for the benefit of the press.

To begin with, reporters from multiple news organizations, on both sides of the Atlantic, appear to have been told Flynn had an affair he did not have. Lokhova describes being asked by MSNBC reporters about the alleged relationship, saying they had been told by an intelligence source that in the CIA, “everyone knows” Flynn had the affair. Other newspapers contacted her co-workers and superiors, asking about her sex life.

I contacted four news organizations to ask if they’d been told by official sources that Flynn and Lokhova had an affair. None answered on the record, and that includes outlets like the Wall Street Journal that did respond to other queries. 

The affair tale didn’t make the papers, but stories did run about the visit Flynn made as DIA chief to a seminar at Cambridge in February of 2014, in which he allegedly paid “disconcerting” attention to Lokhova at an official dinner.

This came out in the Wall Street Journal in early 2017, under a headline suggesting the newsworthy impropriety was Flynn’s failure to disclose the contact with Lokhova. 

A “former official” told the paper Flynn was expected to “notify officials about any contacts with foreigners he didn’t know,” adding in a quote that people like Flynn are “indoctrinated to report any anomalous behavior that you detect.”

The paper added, however, that rules about such contacts aren’t “ironclad,” and quoted Dan O’Brien, chief of the DIA’s liaison office, pooh-poohing the idea this was “anomalous” contact. “Nothing rose to that level,” said O’Brien, who was there, with, he said, about twenty graduate students.

The Flynn-Lokhova encounter was a five-person conversation lasting about fifteen minutes, taking place literally under the noses of two luminaries of the British intelligence world: former Mi6 chief Sir Richard Dearlove and Mi5 historian Christopher Andrew. Lokhova was an invited, pre-approved guest, sitting next to the former head of British intelligence. 

“Everyone’s names were submitted,” Lokhova says. “The DIA was copied... The idea that this was unreported is absurd.”

The Journal piece went on to say Lokhova sat next to Flynn (she actually seems to have been across from him, next to Dearlove). It quoted an article by Lokhova’s professor and mentor, Andrew, saying she’d shown Flynn an “erotic postcard.” 

The postcard is a joke. It was sent by a fugitive Joseph Stalin to the fiancée of a friend who’d helped him escape exile in 1912. In it, Stalin pretends to be an ardent suitor of his friend’s fiancée, presumably for the benefit of Tsarist Okhrana spies who’d be reading it (Lokhova and Andrew got the postcard precisely because it was in fact intercepted and retained in official archives). 

Stalin ended the postcard writing, “I kiss you h-h-hotly (just kissing isn’t enough).” Thinking about Stalin kissing doesn’t tweak the erotic nerve for me, but it all came off as a honeypot come-on in print.

Asked about the piece, the Journal replied:

Nothing about the Journal's story can fairly be read to suggest that Ms. Lokhova was a spy. Instead, the Journal's article was a straightforward report about investigators’ concern that Mr. Flynn failed to report his interaction with a woman of dual British-Russian citizenship to the Department of Defense, despite established practice.

Nobody in the press was ever called about this at the time it happened in 2014, when, after all, Flynn was still one of America’s top intel chiefs. In fact, it’s not clear when it first came up as an issue. Flynn seems to have passed a security review after that dinner. It would be nearly three years before concerns about the encounter spilled out, in three different narratives.

Reporters were first pitched tales of an affair, then told Flynn failed to report the contact, then finally told the problem was an official warning that was “passed” to American authorities about the incident.

In this last iteration of the story, two people were said to be “alarmed” and “disconcerted” by the “apparent closeness” Flynn showed in that fifteen-minute group conversation: Dearlove, and Stefan Halper, the professor and Cambridge Intelligence Seminar sponsor who was in the process of being publicly outed as an FBI informant when this story broke.

Halper and Dearlove were said to have thought Flynn may have been “compromised by Russian intelligence” because of the attention paid to Lokhova, even though she worked in close quarters with senior British intelligence vets for years, before and after the “disconcerting” incident. 

If any of the DIA, Dearlove, or Cambridge University had concerns about Lokhova, they had a funny way of showing it. For more than a year after, Lokhova kept being invited to high-level functions with visiting intelligence officials, Americans included.

On May 1, 2015, for instance, the Cambridge Intelligence Seminar director sent a group email worrying about the coming visit of Obama’s new DIA chief, General Vincent Stewart.

“Unfortunately, neither myself, Chris Andrew nor Sir Richard Dearlove will be in Cambridge (or in the country) that day, we thus have a problem,” the director wrote. Addressing Lokhova and other grad students, the Seminar head hoped they would all “meet with General Stewart” to “discover what each of you is working on.”

“A bad spy novel,” Lokhova told me. “Nobody would buy this novel.”

Halper is said not to have made the complaint himself. This is the New York Times account, from May, 2018:

The source was alarmed by the general’s apparent closeness with a Russian woman who was also in attendance. The concern was strong enough that it prompted another person to pass on a warning to the American authorities that Mr. Flynn could be compromised…

If Halper was FBI, and he was the one “alarmed,” why did “another person” need to make the warning? 

It might be because he was not even at the dinner in question. At least, I haven’t been able to confirm that he was there. If he was, he doesn’t seem to have been within earshot of the infamous conversation, according to Lokhova and one other source.

Moreover, when did the warning happen? Why didn’t it come up in late 2016 and early 2017, when the Financial Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post and other news outlets were all getting calls from official sources about this dinner? 

The press naturally responded to all of this in mature fashion. MSNBC in summer 2018 had Malcolm Nance on, saying Flynn “may have had contact with a Russian intelligence officer” at Cambridge. Nance also tweeted that Flynn was “caught in an FSB honeypot.” 

There’s no evidence Lokhova was ever interviewed by any authorities or suspected of any intelligence links. She appears to be just an ethnically Russian person who interacted with Flynn. Why anyone would go through the trouble of trying to make his interactions with her into a headline seems at least as newsworthy as the interaction itself.

Years after this “disconcerting” encounter with Flynn, Lokhova, who had never socialized with Halper and disliked him, was invited to dinner with Halper and his wife. The invite came via an email by Andrew in January of 2016:

Dear Svetlana…

Stef and Lezlee Halper have opted for dinner at [redacted] on Sat 20 Feb, so please keep that date free and join us

best wishes

Chris

Lokhova insisted the invite “does not prove anything other than it was strange at the time.” Still, given Halper’s activities later that year, it’s odd.

The “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation didn’t officially begin until the end of July of that year. But it’s known Halper first communicated with Carter Page at a conference in England over a month before that start date. This is usually either not explained at all in press reports, or explained as possibly pertaining to some other investigation. 

Washington Monthly suggested there was an ongoing probe of Page related to an earlier attempt by three convicted Russian spies to recruit him. As such there was “no reason” the mag could see to “question any of [Halper’s] activities as inappropriate.” Why however would Halper want to talk with Lokhova earlier that year, after being so concerned about her? 

Two other Flynn stories were less obviously ridiculous, but still framed in odd ways. Flynn’s infamous December 2015 visit to Russia, when he sat next to Vladimir Putin, was an oft-circulated sensational item passed to reporters in the summer of 2016. Among other things, it ended up in ex-spy Christopher Steele’s Dossier.

Flynn’s RT visit caused much rending of garments and exploding of media heads. It was one of the data points that led Al Franken to suggest Flynn was a “danger to the Republic,” for instance. The Mueller report’s disclosure that Flynn was already under investigation “based on his relationship with the Russian government,” which has been hinted at a few times previously, is presumed to be connected to this event. 

This story, too, followed a weird arc. Well after it became a public controversy, Flynn’s lawyer, Robert Kelner, made a statement that Flynn “extensively” briefed the DIA “before and after” the Russia trip. This disclaimer soon started appearing in news reports about the trip, which focused more on the failure to report the payment.  

In May 2017, the Defense Intelligence Agency gave the Senate Judiciary Committee a classified briefing about Flynn. In August, then-Senate Judiciary chief Chuck Grassley sent this letter asking for permission to declassify “a key piece of information” presented by the DIA in that May interaction, adding “public release would not pose any ongoing risk to national security” and would “be in the public interest.” 

The declassification never happened, but there’s been at least one report from John Solomon at The Hill seeming to hint at its contents. Solomon said Flynn had extensive meetings with the DIA before and after the trip, briefings that included “between two and nine intelligence officials” and “produced moderately useful” information. 

Was this a story about an embittered, cash-hungry ex-DIA selling out to Vladimir Putin, or was it about an official from a world where nobody ever really retires who went on an approved fact-finding trip? 

Fitting the pattern, the most nefarious version of this tale was leaked first, while complicating details trickled out after headlines had already circled the earth a few thousand times. This meant a story that would have been more of a jump ball had everything been presented at once instead became a damning element of the collusion narrative.

Same goes for the most damaging of the Flynn stories: the January 12, 2017 Washington Post story by David Ignatius, in which news leaked that Flynn had spoken to Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak by phone after Obama expelled Russian diplomats. The key passage:

According to a senior U.S. government official, Flynn phoned Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak several times on Dec. 29, the day the Obama administration announced the expulsion of 35 Russian officials as well as other measures in retaliation for the hacking. What did Flynn say, and did it undercut the U.S. sanctions? The Logan Act (though never enforced) bars U.S. citizens from correspondence intending to influence a foreign government about “disputes” with the United States. Was its spirit violated?

This was a monster of a story. It was no small thing (legally least of all) for the content of this kind of intercept to be given to a reporter. 

Moreover, it came out more or less simultaneous to the explosive publication of the Steele dossier, along with the accompanying leaked tale of Trump being handed the report by four intel chiefs. In this environment, any story about any contact with a Russian seemed like a world-detonating event.

The Ignatius piece had the country in a panic almost overnight. Acting Attorney General Sally Yates said she believed Flynn was “compromised,” for instance.

What did Flynn actually do in those calls with Kislyak? He eventually pleaded guilty to lying about two things.

The first offense involved not disclosing he’d pushed other countries to oppose a major U.N. Security Council vote condemning Israeli settlements. Apparently, he asked Kislyak and other countries to oppose or delay the vote, which eventually passed (with only the U.S. abstaining).

The other count involved telling investigators “Not really. I don’t remember. It wasn’t, ‘Don’t do anything,’” when asked if he’d told Kislyak not to engage in a “###-for-tat” response to Barack Obama’s parting expulsions of Russian diplomats for election interference. 

The Israeli issue seems more serious, a seeming effort to conduct foreign policy before taking office. According to Mueller, Donald Trump even called Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi on December 22, just before al-Sisi postponed the U.N. vote.

If anything is a Logan Act violation, it’s that, but this was never near the public scandal the Kislyak call turned into. Compared to the Israeli vote, convincing Russia not to overreact to expulsions seems like a relatively minor issue, unless it’s part of a larger Russian conspiracy. In isolation, how nefarious would that call have been? Even Ignatius, in his Post piece, wrote:

If the Trump team’s contacts helped discourage the Russians from a counter-retaliation, maybe that’s a good thing. But we ought to know the facts.

Four days after Trump was inaugurated, Flynn was interrogated by the FBI in the White House. Agents described him as “relaxed and jocular” when they came knocking, even offering to give them a “little tour” of the area around his West Wing office. This scene is bizarre from every angle. To be unaware the FBI was coming straight for his cohones in that moment seems unthinkable, especially for a man whose ostensible job was to be paranoid on behalf of the United States. 

Shortly after that, in response to a Judiciary Committee request for a transcript of the Flynn call, then-FBI director James Comey instead briefed the committee in person.

In this briefing he described the circumstances of calls made from the Dominican Republic by the vacationing (too hard?) Flynn to Kislyak in late December 2016, and conveyed the impression of investigating agents that they “saw nothing that led them to believe [he was] lying” in his interview.

Flynn did go on to plead guilty to lying to the FBI about those contacts. But that didn’t end the matter for everyone. The Senate Judiciary Committee kept on asking for the transcripts of the calls, for comparison purposes. The Department of Justice, in the person of Rod Rosenstein, kept refusing. Grassley’s second letter to Rosenstein about this issue is remarkable. It all but spells out the idea that Flynn’s plea deal doesn’t fit the actual facts of the case:

Congress and the American people to be aware of any such inconsistencies that may exist. Congress needs to see the underlying evidence itself, not merely the conclusions about the evidence that prosecutors and a defendant have agreed to describe publicly.

This dispute remains ongoing, one of a number of bitter arguments that have broken out about this case. What is the issue here? We probably won’t know unless and until the documents are made public.

The most genuinely damning story about Flynn that came out during this time was not about Russia, but Turkey. On November 8, 2016, Flynn published an Op-Ed in The Hill called “Our Ally Turkey is in Crisis and Needs Our Support.” 

The piece denounced Turkish cleric Fethullah Gülen as a radical Islamist and “Turkey’s bin Laden.” Flynn claimed Gülen was behind a July 2016 coup attempt, and said the United States should deny him entry.

Flynn seems to have gotten his talking points from two men who were subsequently charged with violating FARA, the foreign-influence lobbying law. Flynn has not been charged, and is merely “Person A” in the indictment. Notably, the indictment of Flynn in the other, Russia-related case mentions “materially false statements” he was said to have made about Turkey. Why has he not been charged in the Turkey case? 

The pattern in a lot of the stories like Flynn’s is an accusation of an improper Russian connection, followed by an intense investigation, followed by the investigated figure lying or stumbling under questioning, spurring more headlines and more investigation.

But in the end we often find that the reason for investigating in the first place is dubious or at least flawed, itself wrapped in deceptions or public misrepresentations, making it a giant chicken-egg mess: who lied first, the investigators or the investigated?

The one concrete conclusion of the Mueller report is that whatever was going on in each of these individual cases, in the end they proved not to be related, or at least not related to a conspiracy with Russia to interfere with the election.

But were they related in any way? What evidence ever existed tying all of these disparate episodes and characters together – Page, Manafort, Papadopoulos, Flynn, even Michael Caputo? In some of these cases it’s not clear there was ever an official Russian connection anywhere in the investigative picture, yet they all ended up lumped in the same pile. 

Much like the episode with Lokhova, the notion that all of the dots connected seems to have been as much as anything else a media provocation. Many of these legends began with the rollout of the FBI probe, in a March 20th, 2017 congressional hearing involving James Comey – where members of congress and their witnesses knew both more and less than they were letting on for the cameras.
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He was being investigated for a long time because he was a strange duck.  He was on their radar before Trump appointed him to a position he was unfit for.  That is not evidence they were out to get him.  They were doing their job.

Then what do you know?  Flynn lies to Pence and FBI.  Trump fires him.  Flynn pleads guilty twice.

This is the GOP gotcha example?

 
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Which I still find odd that any conservative, libertarian, or independent would not have major problems with such a thing.
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Oh, there are lots of conservatives that have issues with it, but then again a lot of those had issues with Trump I the first place.  The rest of them, well they don't have a problem with it because a) it would been turning their back on the leader of the GOP, and b) the guy in power is doing things that want him to do. Essentially, the ends justify the means.

Just wait until a Democrat POTUS does done egregious authoritarian crap and you'll see all sorts of howling about abuse of power, socialism, etc.  Just line it was with the budget deficit.

 
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Oh, there are lots of conservatives that have issues with it, but then again a lot of those had issues with Trump I the first place.  The rest of them, well they don't have a problem with it because a) it would been turning their back on the leader of the GOP, and b) the guy in power is doing things that want him to do. Essentially, the ends justify the means.

Just wait until a Democrat POTUS does done egregious authoritarian crap and you'll see all sorts of howling about abuse of power, socialism, etc.  Just line it was with the budget deficit.
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Wow, this is tone deaf.  You know what forum you're in?  :lol:

You're side has been on a seek and destroy mission for the last 3.5 years, throwing any allegation - no matter how minor or wildly untrue - at Trump to get him.

At least own it if you're going to accuse the other side of doing it.   And yeah, we have seen a Democrat POTUS do egregious stuff before - like Obama.  Fast and Furious?  Weaponizing the IRS to go after political rivals?  Hello?

C'mon, man. 

 
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This is a good read on Flynn.  He’s not exactly a sympathetic figure.  But Saints’ ‘do gooder intelligence officials literally did nothing wrong, law and order’ bs is extremely tiresome, and wrong. 

It’s not a joke.  Flynn was set up and targeted by the intelligence apparatus for a long time.  They did this, among other things, because he opposed our practice of arming & funding terrorists in Syria.  

https ://taibbi.substack.com/p/military-vs-military

General Michael Flynn isn’t easy to sell as a victim. He really did lead chants of “Lock her up!” at the RNC in 2016, really called Milo Yiannopoulis “one of the most brave people I’ve met,” and seems to have believed Trump won the popular vote. 

Flynn is also a puzzle. He’s been outspoken and critical of America’s Middle East adventures in a way that’s almost unheard of in a military man. In a paper about Afghanistan he once wrote, he said, “Merely killing insurgents usually serves to multiply enemies rather than subtract them.” He denounced our intel there as “ignorant,” “incurious,” and “disengaged.”

Flynn was pushed out as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014 after a series of clashes with civilian leadership and figures within the defense and intelligence realms, acquiring a reputation as difficult, mercurial character around whom too many unwelcome news stories occurred. He had been an intelligence advisor to Stanley McChrystal, and also publicly opposed the Obama government’s Syria policy in a way that earned him a lot of disfavor.

Stars and Stripes reported he “came to view Obama as head of a worldwide crime cartel supporting jihadist ideas,” views derived from a belief that plans to topple Bashar al-Assad had aided — whether inadvertently or not — extreme Islamic groups like the Nusra front. 

Way back in 2012, a DIA analyst produced a report warning that a misguided effort at regime change in Syria could lead to:

“a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in Eastern Syria… exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime….”

This became the fulcrum of the dispute later described in a pair of sensational and controversial exposes by famed muckraker Sy Hersh, beginning with a 2013 report called, “Whose Sarin?” The piece did not say that Assad hadn’t done the bombing, merely that some American intelligence officers believed there was at least another suspect in the attack near Damascus. Hersh wrote:

The White House’s misrepresentation of what it knew about the attack, and when, was matched by its readiness to ignore intelligence that could undermine the narrative. That information concerned al-Nusra…

The Hersh report in the London Review of Books quoted a military official describing the Sarin attack as a “ruse,” comparable to the Gulf of Tonkin episode, i.e. a provocation designed to draw us into a regime-toppling war. Hersh wasn’t the only one to report something like this. In Britain, award-winning reporter Robert Fisk also reported in The Independent details about al-Nusra men transporting “chemical precursors” to Sarin, and went on to raise questions more than once about the attack, quoting aid workers and other on-the-ground sources.

No news outlet in the United States would go anywhere near this story. In fact, it quickly became so toxic in the United States, many news organizations to this won’t even link to it or discuss it. 

Flynn would eventually get in trouble not only for suggesting the Sarin attack in Syria might not have been the work of Assad, but for saying the forbidden thing in Russia. He was asked during a 2015 visit to Moscow hosted by RT if perhaps Turkish intelligence had been behind the attack. Flynn answered: 

Who knows? I don't have a good answer for you. I'm not able to answer your specific question.

This would later get a lot of headlines, especially in the context of the Russiagate mess. But the Sarin episode was actually the less controversial assertion Flynn made with regard to Syria. The more explosive story was the second piece by Hersh for the London Review of Books, quoting Flynn in January of 2016. 

Called “Military to Military,” the sprawling expose told what, if true, was an amazing story: the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff in the Obama years were defying civilian leadership and passing intelligence to Russia, Israel and Germany, with the understanding that this intel would be sent on to Assad to combat local Islamic groups. 

The report quoted a “former JCS adviser” who said it was:

A military to military thing, and not some sort of a sinister Joint Chiefs’ plot to go around Obama and support Assad. 

Military figures, Hersh reported, believed Obama’s “insistence on continuing to finance and arm the so-called moderate rebel groups” in Syria would lead to disaster. This group felt Turkey was misleading America and its allies, rerouting “guns and goods” not just to moderates in Syria but to all opposition forces there, including groups like al-Nusra, with the aim of regime change in Damascus.

It was believed Turkey was willing to take that risk to achieve Assad’s fall as a step toward a larger dream of restoring the Ottoman empire.

Flynn said, on the record: “Turkey was looking the other way when it came to the growth of the Islamic State inside Syria.” 

Flynn gave another defiant interview to Mehdi Hasan of Al Jazeera in 2015 after he’d been pushed out of office, saying it was a “willful decision” by the Obama administration to “do what they’re doing.” He suggested his superiors had made decisions that empowered insurgent groups dating back years. 

“I will tell you, it goes before 2012,” he said. “When we were in Iraq, and we had decisions to be made before there was a decision to pull out of Iraq.”

All of this was part of a containment-vs.-regime change debate that recalled a more intense, confusing version of the WMD episode. Flynn belonged to a group within the defense community that believed in sharing intelligence with Russia to thwart anti-Assad groups in Syria. These people felt refusing to do so meant being “captive to Cold War thinking.”

He was vigorously opposed in this by an array of people and institutions who were criticizing Obama from an opposite perspective.

Throughout Obama’s second term especially, a host of figures, from John McCain to Hillary Clinton to Obama Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, seemed infuriated by what they saw as Obama’s refusal to act more decisively in Syria. They wanted to see Obama punish Assad and Russia both, especially when Assad was said to have crossed the “red line” by using those chemical weapons in 2013.

“For Mr. Putin, vacillation invites aggression,” wrote McCain in a 2014 op-ed. He and others challenged Obama to confront Putin more directly, over Russia’s move into Crimea and its ties to Assad. Alexander Motl of the Atlantic Council, which would become a principal purveyor of Russiagate panic, was writing “Russia: It’s Time For Regime Change” as far back as January, 2015 — long before the first glimmers of the current scandal over election interference.  

Another person challenging Flynn was Michael Morell, former acting director of the CIA. Morell in 2016 was set to become Hillary Clinton’s CIA director if she won election, even though he had once been the target of intense criticism of Hill Democrats. Aides to Senator Diane Feinstein composed a Senate Intelligence Committee report released in June of 2015 that claimed Morell made a series of factual misstatements about torture and other topics in his book, “The Great War of Our Time.” 

However, Morell had been a reliable front man for the intelligence community during the Obama years. He took the lead in slapping down another Hersh expose challenging the official, Hollywood-ready take on the heroic capture of bin Laden. The Obama administration always insisted it daringly flew into Pakistan on its own intel, without the knowledge or assent of Pakistan’s ISI intelligence service. 

Hersh told a different story. Quoting former ISI chief Asad Durrani and identifying the CIA station chief in Islamabad by name, he claimed bin Laden had been captured and killed after a negotiation with Pakistan, calling the idea that the ISI wasn’t involved “Lewis Carroll” and “comical.”

Once again, this wasn’t the only report suggesting something like this. An old colleague of mine, Carlotta Gall of the New York Times, had also run a piece suggesting Pakistan knew where bin Laden was. Carlotta spent 12 years covering Pakistan and Afghanistan for the Times. She would later report something she learned while researching a book:

I learned from a high-level member of the Pakistani intelligence service that the ISI had been hiding Bin Laden and ran a desk specifically to handle him as an intelligence asset.

When it came time for the U.S. to respond to Hersh’s story, the Obama administration did so in the person of Morell, who denounced the Hersh piece as “all wrong.” Much of the press corps sided with Morell, with Peter Bergen of CNN calling the Hersh story a “farrago of nonsense.” 

Similarly, when it came time to respond to the release of that damaging DIA report suggesting regime change efforts might lead to empowered terrorists in Syria, Morell was a key voice. He jumped in when Trump decided to make Flynn’s assertions on that score into a campaign issue.

During the 2016 race, Trump tweeted – this was the beginning of the moment in history when it started to be true that a Trump tweet was at the root of every major American cultural argument – that Hillary Clinton had been privy to the 2012 DIA warning. He linked to a Breitbart article entitled, “Hillary Clinton Received Secret Memo Stating Obama Admin ‘Support’ for ISIS.” 

This is turn triggered a Politico editorial by Morell calling the assertion “nonsense” and a “conspiracy theory,” in early summer of 2016. The Washington Post agreed, calling Trump’s claim that the United States was “actively supporting” terror groups “bizarre.” 

Which it was, sort of. It would have been more accurate to say elements within the military believed the Obama administration pursued policies that might have overestimated the strength of moderates in Syria, underestimated the possibility weapons would end up in the wrong hands, or perhaps – as analyst Hugh Roberts suggested, also in the London Review of Books– simply viewed groups like al-Nusra as “useful auxiliaries in the anti-Assad drive.” 

In any case, just a few weeks after calling Trump out about ISIS, Morell became one of the first people to accuse Trump of being an “unwitting agent” of Putin. (Oddly, about a half year after, just as the Russiagate frenzy was taking off, Morell tried to pour cold water on the furor. He said of collusion, there was “smoke, but no fire, at all.”)

All of this is perhaps-tiresome but necessary background to the Flynn story. Before Russiagate was a thought in anyone’s mind, he aroused disdain in Washington over the Syria issue from the very corners that would later accuse him of being part of a conspiracy. 

In fact, the Syria-dispute battle lines would go on to track almost exactly with Russiagate throughout, in stories involving Flynn and not. Individuals like McCain and groups like the Atlantic Council were key players in both narratives. It would be improbable if the enmity Flynn generated from his years in the DIA didn’t impact his later Russia-related media scandals, some of which were extremely fishy. 

The most transparent involved an incident in 2014 at Cambridge University, involving a PhD candidate named Svetlana Lokhova.

This story has been in the news a bit since late March, but the import of it seems to have eluded American audiences. There’s no way to juggle the details to make it anything but a bizarre intentional concoction for the benefit of the press.

To begin with, reporters from multiple news organizations, on both sides of the Atlantic, appear to have been told Flynn had an affair he did not have. Lokhova describes being asked by MSNBC reporters about the alleged relationship, saying they had been told by an intelligence source that in the CIA, “everyone knows” Flynn had the affair. Other newspapers contacted her co-workers and superiors, asking about her sex life.

I contacted four news organizations to ask if they’d been told by official sources that Flynn and Lokhova had an affair. None answered on the record, and that includes outlets like the Wall Street Journal that did respond to other queries. 

The affair tale didn’t make the papers, but stories did run about the visit Flynn made as DIA chief to a seminar at Cambridge in February of 2014, in which he allegedly paid “disconcerting” attention to Lokhova at an official dinner.

This came out in the Wall Street Journal in early 2017, under a headline suggesting the newsworthy impropriety was Flynn’s failure to disclose the contact with Lokhova. 

A “former official” told the paper Flynn was expected to “notify officials about any contacts with foreigners he didn’t know,” adding in a quote that people like Flynn are “indoctrinated to report any anomalous behavior that you detect.”

The paper added, however, that rules about such contacts aren’t “ironclad,” and quoted Dan O’Brien, chief of the DIA’s liaison office, pooh-poohing the idea this was “anomalous” contact. “Nothing rose to that level,” said O’Brien, who was there, with, he said, about twenty graduate students.

The Flynn-Lokhova encounter was a five-person conversation lasting about fifteen minutes, taking place literally under the noses of two luminaries of the British intelligence world: former Mi6 chief Sir Richard Dearlove and Mi5 historian Christopher Andrew. Lokhova was an invited, pre-approved guest, sitting next to the former head of British intelligence. 

“Everyone’s names were submitted,” Lokhova says. “The DIA was copied... The idea that this was unreported is absurd.”

The Journal piece went on to say Lokhova sat next to Flynn (she actually seems to have been across from him, next to Dearlove). It quoted an article by Lokhova’s professor and mentor, Andrew, saying she’d shown Flynn an “erotic postcard.” 

The postcard is a joke. It was sent by a fugitive Joseph Stalin to the fiancée of a friend who’d helped him escape exile in 1912. In it, Stalin pretends to be an ardent suitor of his friend’s fiancée, presumably for the benefit of Tsarist Okhrana spies who’d be reading it (Lokhova and Andrew got the postcard precisely because it was in fact intercepted and retained in official archives). 

Stalin ended the postcard writing, “I kiss you h-h-hotly (just kissing isn’t enough).” Thinking about Stalin kissing doesn’t tweak the erotic nerve for me, but it all came off as a honeypot come-on in print.

Asked about the piece, the Journal replied:

Nothing about the Journal's story can fairly be read to suggest that Ms. Lokhova was a spy. Instead, the Journal's article was a straightforward report about investigators’ concern that Mr. Flynn failed to report his interaction with a woman of dual British-Russian citizenship to the Department of Defense, despite established practice.

Nobody in the press was ever called about this at the time it happened in 2014, when, after all, Flynn was still one of America’s top intel chiefs. In fact, it’s not clear when it first came up as an issue. Flynn seems to have passed a security review after that dinner. It would be nearly three years before concerns about the encounter spilled out, in three different narratives.

Reporters were first pitched tales of an affair, then told Flynn failed to report the contact, then finally told the problem was an official warning that was “passed” to American authorities about the incident.

In this last iteration of the story, two people were said to be “alarmed” and “disconcerted” by the “apparent closeness” Flynn showed in that fifteen-minute group conversation: Dearlove, and Stefan Halper, the professor and Cambridge Intelligence Seminar sponsor who was in the process of being publicly outed as an FBI informant when this story broke.

Halper and Dearlove were said to have thought Flynn may have been “compromised by Russian intelligence” because of the attention paid to Lokhova, even though she worked in close quarters with senior British intelligence vets for years, before and after the “disconcerting” incident. 

If any of the DIA, Dearlove, or Cambridge University had concerns about Lokhova, they had a funny way of showing it. For more than a year after, Lokhova kept being invited to high-level functions with visiting intelligence officials, Americans included.

On May 1, 2015, for instance, the Cambridge Intelligence Seminar director sent a group email worrying about the coming visit of Obama’s new DIA chief, General Vincent Stewart.

“Unfortunately, neither myself, Chris Andrew nor Sir Richard Dearlove will be in Cambridge (or in the country) that day, we thus have a problem,” the director wrote. Addressing Lokhova and other grad students, the Seminar head hoped they would all “meet with General Stewart” to “discover what each of you is working on.”

“A bad spy novel,” Lokhova told me. “Nobody would buy this novel.”

Halper is said not to have made the complaint himself. This is the New York Times account, from May, 2018:

The source was alarmed by the general’s apparent closeness with a Russian woman who was also in attendance. The concern was strong enough that it prompted another person to pass on a warning to the American authorities that Mr. Flynn could be compromised…

If Halper was FBI, and he was the one “alarmed,” why did “another person” need to make the warning? 

It might be because he was not even at the dinner in question. At least, I haven’t been able to confirm that he was there. If he was, he doesn’t seem to have been within earshot of the infamous conversation, according to Lokhova and one other source.

Moreover, when did the warning happen? Why didn’t it come up in late 2016 and early 2017, when the Financial Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post and other news outlets were all getting calls from official sources about this dinner? 

The press naturally responded to all of this in mature fashion. MSNBC in summer 2018 had Malcolm Nance on, saying Flynn “may have had contact with a Russian intelligence officer” at Cambridge. Nance also tweeted that Flynn was “caught in an FSB honeypot.” 

There’s no evidence Lokhova was ever interviewed by any authorities or suspected of any intelligence links. She appears to be just an ethnically Russian person who interacted with Flynn. Why anyone would go through the trouble of trying to make his interactions with her into a headline seems at least as newsworthy as the interaction itself.

Years after this “disconcerting” encounter with Flynn, Lokhova, who had never socialized with Halper and disliked him, was invited to dinner with Halper and his wife. The invite came via an email by Andrew in January of 2016:

Dear Svetlana…

Stef and Lezlee Halper have opted for dinner at [redacted] on Sat 20 Feb, so please keep that date free and join us

best wishes

Chris

Lokhova insisted the invite “does not prove anything other than it was strange at the time.” Still, given Halper’s activities later that year, it’s odd.

The “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation didn’t officially begin until the end of July of that year. But it’s known Halper first communicated with Carter Page at a conference in England over a month before that start date. This is usually either not explained at all in press reports, or explained as possibly pertaining to some other investigation. 

Washington Monthly suggested there was an ongoing probe of Page related to an earlier attempt by three convicted Russian spies to recruit him. As such there was “no reason” the mag could see to “question any of [Halper’s] activities as inappropriate.” Why however would Halper want to talk with Lokhova earlier that year, after being so concerned about her? 

Two other Flynn stories were less obviously ridiculous, but still framed in odd ways. Flynn’s infamous December 2015 visit to Russia, when he sat next to Vladimir Putin, was an oft-circulated sensational item passed to reporters in the summer of 2016. Among other things, it ended up in ex-spy Christopher Steele’s Dossier.

Flynn’s RT visit caused much rending of garments and exploding of media heads. It was one of the data points that led Al Franken to suggest Flynn was a “danger to the Republic,” for instance. The Mueller report’s disclosure that Flynn was already under investigation “based on his relationship with the Russian government,” which has been hinted at a few times previously, is presumed to be connected to this event. 

This story, too, followed a weird arc. Well after it became a public controversy, Flynn’s lawyer, Robert Kelner, made a statement that Flynn “extensively” briefed the DIA “before and after” the Russia trip. This disclaimer soon started appearing in news reports about the trip, which focused more on the failure to report the payment.  

In May 2017, the Defense Intelligence Agency gave the Senate Judiciary Committee a classified briefing about Flynn. In August, then-Senate Judiciary chief Chuck Grassley sent this letter asking for permission to declassify “a key piece of information” presented by the DIA in that May interaction, adding “public release would not pose any ongoing risk to national security” and would “be in the public interest.” 

The declassification never happened, but there’s been at least one report from John Solomon at The Hill seeming to hint at its contents. Solomon said Flynn had extensive meetings with the DIA before and after the trip, briefings that included “between two and nine intelligence officials” and “produced moderately useful” information. 

Was this a story about an embittered, cash-hungry ex-DIA selling out to Vladimir Putin, or was it about an official from a world where nobody ever really retires who went on an approved fact-finding trip? 

Fitting the pattern, the most nefarious version of this tale was leaked first, while complicating details trickled out after headlines had already circled the earth a few thousand times. This meant a story that would have been more of a jump ball had everything been presented at once instead became a damning element of the collusion narrative.

Same goes for the most damaging of the Flynn stories: the January 12, 2017 Washington Post story by David Ignatius, in which news leaked that Flynn had spoken to Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak by phone after Obama expelled Russian diplomats. The key passage:

According to a senior U.S. government official, Flynn phoned Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak several times on Dec. 29, the day the Obama administration announced the expulsion of 35 Russian officials as well as other measures in retaliation for the hacking. What did Flynn say, and did it undercut the U.S. sanctions? The Logan Act (though never enforced) bars U.S. citizens from correspondence intending to influence a foreign government about “disputes” with the United States. Was its spirit violated?

This was a monster of a story. It was no small thing (legally least of all) for the content of this kind of intercept to be given to a reporter. 

Moreover, it came out more or less simultaneous to the explosive publication of the Steele dossier, along with the accompanying leaked tale of Trump being handed the report by four intel chiefs. In this environment, any story about any contact with a Russian seemed like a world-detonating event.

The Ignatius piece had the country in a panic almost overnight. Acting Attorney General Sally Yates said she believed Flynn was “compromised,” for instance.

What did Flynn actually do in those calls with Kislyak? He eventually pleaded guilty to lying about two things.

The first offense involved not disclosing he’d pushed other countries to oppose a major U.N. Security Council vote condemning Israeli settlements. Apparently, he asked Kislyak and other countries to oppose or delay the vote, which eventually passed (with only the U.S. abstaining).

The other count involved telling investigators “Not really. I don’t remember. It wasn’t, ‘Don’t do anything,’” when asked if he’d told Kislyak not to engage in a “###-for-tat” response to Barack Obama’s parting expulsions of Russian diplomats for election interference. 

The Israeli issue seems more serious, a seeming effort to conduct foreign policy before taking office. According to Mueller, Donald Trump even called Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi on December 22, just before al-Sisi postponed the U.N. vote.

If anything is a Logan Act violation, it’s that, but this was never near the public scandal the Kislyak call turned into. Compared to the Israeli vote, convincing Russia not to overreact to expulsions seems like a relatively minor issue, unless it’s part of a larger Russian conspiracy. In isolation, how nefarious would that call have been? Even Ignatius, in his Post piece, wrote:

If the Trump team’s contacts helped discourage the Russians from a counter-retaliation, maybe that’s a good thing. But we ought to know the facts.

Four days after Trump was inaugurated, Flynn was interrogated by the FBI in the White House. Agents described him as “relaxed and jocular” when they came knocking, even offering to give them a “little tour” of the area around his West Wing office. This scene is bizarre from every angle. To be unaware the FBI was coming straight for his cohones in that moment seems unthinkable, especially for a man whose ostensible job was to be paranoid on behalf of the United States. 

Shortly after that, in response to a Judiciary Committee request for a transcript of the Flynn call, then-FBI director James Comey instead briefed the committee in person.

In this briefing he described the circumstances of calls made from the Dominican Republic by the vacationing (too hard?) Flynn to Kislyak in late December 2016, and conveyed the impression of investigating agents that they “saw nothing that led them to believe [he was] lying” in his interview.

Flynn did go on to plead guilty to lying to the FBI about those contacts. But that didn’t end the matter for everyone. The Senate Judiciary Committee kept on asking for the transcripts of the calls, for comparison purposes. The Department of Justice, in the person of Rod Rosenstein, kept refusing. Grassley’s second letter to Rosenstein about this issue is remarkable. It all but spells out the idea that Flynn’s plea deal doesn’t fit the actual facts of the case:

Congress and the American people to be aware of any such inconsistencies that may exist. Congress needs to see the underlying evidence itself, not merely the conclusions about the evidence that prosecutors and a defendant have agreed to describe publicly.

This dispute remains ongoing, one of a number of bitter arguments that have broken out about this case. What is the issue here? We probably won’t know unless and until the documents are made public.

The most genuinely damning story about Flynn that came out during this time was not about Russia, but Turkey. On November 8, 2016, Flynn published an Op-Ed in The Hill called “Our Ally Turkey is in Crisis and Needs Our Support.” 

The piece denounced Turkish cleric Fethullah Gülen as a radical Islamist and “Turkey’s bin Laden.” Flynn claimed Gülen was behind a July 2016 coup attempt, and said the United States should deny him entry.

Flynn seems to have gotten his talking points from two men who were subsequently charged with violating FARA, the foreign-influence lobbying law. Flynn has not been charged, and is merely “Person A” in the indictment. Notably, the indictment of Flynn in the other, Russia-related case mentions “materially false statements” he was said to have made about Turkey. Why has he not been charged in the Turkey case? 

The pattern in a lot of the stories like Flynn’s is an accusation of an improper Russian connection, followed by an intense investigation, followed by the investigated figure lying or stumbling under questioning, spurring more headlines and more investigation.

But in the end we often find that the reason for investigating in the first place is dubious or at least flawed, itself wrapped in deceptions or public misrepresentations, making it a giant chicken-egg mess: who lied first, the investigators or the investigated?

The one concrete conclusion of the Mueller report is that whatever was going on in each of these individual cases, in the end they proved not to be related, or at least not related to a conspiracy with Russia to interfere with the election.

But were they related in any way? What evidence ever existed tying all of these disparate episodes and characters together – Page, Manafort, Papadopoulos, Flynn, even Michael Caputo? In some of these cases it’s not clear there was ever an official Russian connection anywhere in the investigative picture, yet they all ended up lumped in the same pile. 

Much like the episode with Lokhova, the notion that all of the dots connected seems to have been as much as anything else a media provocation. Many of these legends began with the rollout of the FBI probe, in a March 20th, 2017 congressional hearing involving James Comey – where members of congress and their witnesses knew both more and less than they were letting on for the cameras.
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You put far too much stock into Taibbi.

And its had far more tondo with his dealings all over the place than it did Syria.  He was on Turkeys payroll...something his proponents continue to ignore.  Anyone would be “targeted” with the thjngs he was doing going on.

 
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There’s no evidence Lokhova was ever interviewed by any authorities or suspected of any intelligence links. She appears to be just an ethnically Russian person who interacted with Flynn. Why anyone would go through the trouble of trying to make his interactions with her into a headline seems at least as newsworthy as the interaction itself.
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What an odd set of grievances. We have Taibbi defending Ms. Lokhova's honor, we have him indicating golly there's nothing wrong with the PNSA getting paid by Turkey or running out front on their ghoulish pursuit of Gulen, and a claim that the IC was out to get Flynn because he was really an Assad backer? Ok I don't know what to tell you, it seems like a basket of complaints. None of this played any role in the Mueller report or Flynn's prosecution, except for the working for Turkey bit which Taibbi just seems to think was A-OKAY. He may approve of it in principle but he doesn't even go near the legality of it, which is wise.

 
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Filing error adds to twists of Flynn case reversal

The court filing on Thursday to drop former national security adviser Michael Flynn's criminal case used the attorney identification number for the previous US attorney, a technical error that adds to the twists of the dramatic reversal by the government.

The bombshell court filing was signed only by interim DC US attorney Timothy Shea, a political appointee who used the court identity number of his ousted predecessor Jesse Liu. The incorrect ID number is a technical error that may need to be fixed before the judge weighs in.

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A Justice Department official told CNN on Saturday that the ID number under Shea's name was a clerical oversight. The official said it was the mistake of a staffer who submitted the filing to the court on Shea's behalf -- but who didn't sign it herself. The official said Shea was part of a team who wrote the document, and declined to explain why the career prosecutor, Jocelyn Ballantine, who signed several other recent filings in the Flynn case, didn't sign it.

People close to the DC US attorney's office said the mistake isn't one trial lawyers in that office would likely make. And they pointed to the fact that no other lawyer in that office signed the dismissal request as a possible indicator the document was prepared elsewhere, perhaps at the Justice Department headquarters, where Attorney General William Barr was closely managing the Flynn review.

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A team of Justice Department prosecutors began putting the filing together early this week, according to a person familiar with the matter. Shea hadn't noticed the error until Friday night, more than 24 hours after it was filed, and the US Attorney's Office now plans to fix it, the Justice Department official said.

The flub now could draw the attention of the judge, Emmet Sullivan, who has yet to weigh in on the US Attorney's Office's attempt to drop Flynn's case even after the former national security adviser said under oath he was guilty of lying to the FBI. Though the Justice Department now says it doesn't want to prosecute Flynn, Sullivan has the authority to keep the case alive, asking for more explanations. 
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- I'm hesitant to even guess what Sullivan will do but judges usually aren't too happy about lawyers filing things without having any association with the underlying case. And, really, it sounds like Shea submitted something written by someone else, in a different office, and he did it under a different bar number. That could make for a very sucky day when he has to face the music in front of Sullivan.

 
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