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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (8 Viewers)

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sho nuff said:
An opinion piece from a far right souce and the man who called Obama a radical and socialist and alleged in his book that Obama was pushing a Sharia Agenda?

Thats good reading?

Its basically opinions of Powell...again, Thats Flynn’s attorney.   Come in man...that isn't independent thought...its far right talking points yet again.
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I give up. Have a good one man. 

 
Travis the Chimp said:
I give up. Have a good one man. 
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Do you not see the issue with that?

If i brought a highly biased author on Vox id get laughed at from any Trump supporter.  Hell, post Washington Post or NYT in the Trump thread and you get called a troll.

Credible links and sources  are appreciated...guys like that mainly quoting the accused’s lawyer?  What are you expecting?

 
Travis the Chimp said:
@sho nuff  Good reading here.
 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/explosive-revelations-in-the-flynn-case/
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I enjoy reading Andrew McCarthy. He’s a smart man and a good writer. It should be noted that the vast majority of legal experts disagree with him on this. That in itself doesn’t make him wrong and them right. But the fact that he is a staunch conservative and has always taken the President’s side should at least be taken into account. 

I’m not smart enough or well versed on the facts enough to tell you whether Michael Flynn was improperly investigated, as McCarthy claims. What I DO know is this: in January of 2017, Mike Pence was asked about reports that Flynn had met with prominent Russians prior to Trump taking office and Pence claimed it never happened. Then when the New York Times said it did happen, the White House didn’t respond for 3 weeks and then fired Flynn for lying to Pence. That seems pretty bad to me. I think Flynn was involved with some murky stuff with Turkey as well, wasn’t he? 

I don’t believe we’re dealing with an honest fellow here. 

 
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Judge Sullivan: Do you wish to challenge the circumstances on which you were interviewed by FBI?

Flynn: No, your honor. I was aware that lying to FBI was a crime.

JS: Do you believe that you were entrapped by FBI?

MF: No.
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Judge Sullivan giving Flynn one final shot to withdraw his guilty plea. Judge asks if he wants to proceed.

FLYNN: “I would like to proceed.”

Because you’re guilty? 

FLYNN: “Yes, your honor.”

Now proceeding.
@Travis the Chimp, @shadrap, @GoBirds @knowledge dropper
 

Care to address these Flynn and Judge Sullivan quotes referenced in here?
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knowledge dropper said:
False

I’ll take the opinion of former CBS Reporter Laura Logan over anonymous salty internet guy when she told people to seek out Breitbart.  
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Nothing false about what I stated.  Breitbart is not a credible source by any legitimate measure.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/breitbart
 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/breitbart/?amp

If yiu want to refuse to even read WashPo or NYT, be consistent and don’t expect anyone to even try with something like Breitbart.

 
I don't know if any of you could find it,but on twitter the other day they had a creepy Joe compilation of Creepy Joe putting his hands all over very young girls and the girls reaction. To me it was pretty disturbing. It was to the tune of thunder struck.

 
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THE COURT: Why don't you go through the facts that you think you can prove at trial.

MR. VAN GRACK: That the defendant made material false statements and omissions during an interview with the Federal Bureau of Investigation on January 24, 2017, in Washington, D.C. At the time of the interview, the FBI had an open investigation into Russia's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, including the nature of any links or coordination between individuals associated with Russia and the campaign of President Donald Trump. Specifically, during that January 24th interview, the defendant falsely stated that he did not ask Russia's Ambassador to the United States to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia.

The defendant also falsely stated that he did not remember a follow-up conversation in which the Russian Ambassador stated that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of the defendant's request. In truth and in fact, the defendant then and there knew that: On or about December 29, 2016, the day sanctions against Russia were announced, the defendant called a senior official of the Presidential Transition Team, who was with other senior members of the Presidential Transition Team at the Mar-a-Lago resort, to discuss what to communicate to the Russian Ambassador about sanctions. On that call, the defendant and the official discussed sanctions, including that members of the transition team at Mar-a-Lago did not want Russia to escalate the situation. Immediately after that phone call, the defendant called the Russian Ambassador and requested that Russia not escalate the situation and only respond to the U.S. sanctions in a reciprocal manner. Shortly after his phone call with the Russian Ambassador, the defendant spoke again with the senior official to report on the substance of his call with the Russian Ambassador, including their discussion of sanctions.

Two days later, the Russian Ambassador called the defendant and informed him that Russia had chosen not to retaliate in response to the defendant's request. After that phone call, the defendant spoke with senior members of the transition team about his conversations with the Russian Ambassador regarding sanctions and Russia's decision not to escalate the situation. During that same January 24th interview with the FBI, the defendant made additional false statements about his calls to Russia and other countries regarding a resolution submitted to the United Nations Security Council on December 24, 2016.

The defendant falsely stated that he only asked the countries' positions on the resolution and that he did not request that any of the countries take any particular action on the resolution.

The defendant also falsely stated that the Russian Ambassador never described to him Russia's response to his request. In truth and in fact, the defendant then and there knew that:

On or about December 22, 2016, a very senior member of the transition team directed the defendant to contact officials from foreign governments, including Russia, to learn where each government stood on the resolution and to influence those governments to delay the vote or defeat the resolution. On or about December 26, 2016, the defendant contacted the Russian Ambassador about the pending vote. The defendant requested that Russia vote against or delay the resolution.

The next day the defendant again spoke with the Russian Ambassador, who informed him that if it came to a vote, Russia would not vote against the resolution. In addition, on March 7, 2017, the defendant filed multiple documents with the Department of Justice pursuant to the Foreign Agents Registration Act pertaining to a project performed by him and his company for the principal benefit of the Republic of Turkey.

In those filings, the defendant made materially false statements and omissions, including by falsely stating that his company did not know whether or the extent to which the Republic of Turkey was involved in the project; that the project was focused on improving U.S. business organizations' confidence regarding doing business in Turkey; and an op-ed by the defendant published on November 8, 2016 was written at his own initiative. In addition, the defendant omitted in those filings that officials from the Republic of Turkey provided supervision and direction over the project.

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THE COURT: Okay. Mr. Flynn, now that you've read the written statement of facts, you've heard the government's oral presentation, are there any corrections or errors that you need to point out?

THE DEFENDANT: Nothing that I heard, Your Honor, no.

THE COURT: Or that you read?

THE DEFENDANT: Or that I read.

THE COURT: Is that factual summary true and correct?

THE DEFENDANT: It is.
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Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Yeah, but what happens if you print those web pages out, burn them, boil the ashes and use them as paint, Jackson Pollack-style, do some LSD and then look at the painting through 3-D glasses while hanging upside down from your feet?

It's so obvious man!
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A total hoax.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Yes, while Flynn was the National Security Advisor to the President of the United States he was being paid by a foreign power.
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But he only admitted to lying about those things to stop the FBI/DOJ from going after his son.  If not for their pressure on him to admit his guilt, the DOJ would have been forced to prove his guilt in court.  Thus, since Flynn's statements were obviously coerced, they should not be considered by the court.  Also, as the DOJ now has no interest in even trying to prove these lies in court, Flynn's conviction should be thrown out.  QED.

Man, that was pretty easy. Can't believe this technique hasn't been tried before by other criminals defendants getting railroaded by the feds.

 
The Z Machine said:
But he only admitted to lying about those things to stop the FBI/DOJ from going after his son.  If not for their pressure on him to admit his guilt, the DOJ would have been forced to prove his guilt in court.  Thus, since Flynn's statements were obviously coerced, they should not be considered by the court.  Also, as the DOJ now has no interest in even trying to prove these lies in court, Flynn's conviction should be thrown out.  QED.

Man, that was pretty easy. Can't believe this technique hasn't been tried before by other criminals defendants getting railroaded by the feds.
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Guarantee this motion will be quoted and cited by every drug runner, terrorist, and white collar criminal under DOJ prosecution for the next 10 years.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Guarantee this motion will be quoted and cited by every drug runner, terrorist, and white collar criminal under DOJ prosecution for the next 10 years.
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All they need is a compliant Attorney General and his hand picked lackey to be on their side, and they're golden, even after they are convicted!

Wow, equal justice for all, indeed.

 
Just some background in case people don't know what was happening here.

Flynn fired his firm that had been representing him since the beginning last year. Most recently he filed a motion claiming that they had misrepresent him. The law firm files a 112 page response replete with emails repeatedly showing Flynn was warned and advised. Flynn's motion was 12 pages of made up claims. This was going nowhere but straight to the drain.

As part of this he also backed out of his agreement with the Feds which required testifying against his business partners who had been engaged in a project against US interests. In the course of that he hired Sydney Powell, a well known right wing Fox firewater drinker. Sydney Powell would file motions, demand documents on a wide variety of spaghetti on the wall theories and claims, Barr's DOJ would hand them over with little resistance, and then the judge would hear the claims and shoot them down. Most recently in January Judge Sullivan denied the kitchen and sink and what the hell everything else and your momma too Brady motion, using almost 100 pages to lay out what a bunch of bullhockey it all was.

Then just this past week the Judge told Powell/Fynn to stop filing crap until they had all the information in front of him so that he could just rule on it all at once. Seeing that they were going to lose another one, and almost certainly the last on this - Barr intervened and had Shea basically just take everything down, leading the prosecutor to resign in protest. Barr had already previously rope-a-doped US Attorney for DC Jesse Liu to vacate her seat with the promise of a job in Treasury to get to that square. Ultimately Trump yanked the job from Liu, Shea was installed in her place.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Just some background in case people don't know what was happening here.

Flynn fired his firm that had been representing him since the beginning last year. Most recently he filed a motion claiming that they had misrepresent him. The law firm files a 112 page response replete with emails repeatedly showing Flynn was warned and advised. Flynn's motion was 12 pages of made up claims. This was going nowhere but straight to the drain.

As part of this he also backed out of his agreement with the Feds which required testifying against his business partners who had been engaged in a project against US interests. In the course of that he hired Sydney Powell, a well known right wing Fox firewater drinker. Sydney Powell would file motions, demand documents on a wide variety of spaghetti on the wall theories and claims, Barr's DOJ would hand them over with little resistance, and then the judge would hear the claims and shoot them down. Most recently in January Judge Sullivan denied the kitchen and sink and what the hell everything else and your momma too Brady motion, using almost 100 pages to lay out what a bunch of bullhockey it all was.

Then just this past week the Judge told Powell/Fynn to stop filing crap until they had all the information in front of him so that he could just rule on it all at once. Seeing that they were going to lose another one, and almost certainly the last on this - Barr intervened and had Shea basically just take everything down, leading the prosecutor to resign in protest. Barr had already previously rope-a-doped US Attorney for DC Jesse Liu to vacate her seat with the promise of a job in Treasury to get to that square. Ultimately Trump yanked the job from Liu, Shea was installed in her place.
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Just some straight up corruption that the DOJ hasn't seen since Nixon.

 
Mr. Flynn’s Other Theories

Finally, the Court summarily disposes of Mr. Flynn’s arguments that the FBI conducted an ambush interview for the purpose of trapping him into making false statements and that the government pressured him to enter a guilty plea. The record proves otherwise.

See, e.g., Def.’s Br., ECF No. 109 at 4 (arguing that the government was “putting excruciating pressure on [Mr. Flynn] to enter his guilty plea”); Def.’s Reply, ECF No. 133 at 5 (arguing that “high-ranking FBI officials orchestrated an ambush-interview . . . for the purpose of trapping him into making false statements they could allege as false”); id. at 6 (asserting that the FBI and others “plot[tted] to set up an innocent man and create a crime”); id. at 18 (contending that “[t]he FBI had no factual or legal basis for a criminal investigation” and that the FBI’s investigation was a “pretext for investigating Mr. Flynn”); id. at 27 (arguing that “Mr. Flynn was honest with the [FBI] agents to the best of his recollection at the time, and the [FBI] agents knew it”).

The sworn statements of Mr. Flynn and his former counsel belie his new claims of innocence and his new assertions that he was pressured into pleading guilty to making materially false statements to the FBI. E.g., Sentencing Hr’g Tr., ECF No. 103 at 11 (affirming it was not his “contention that Mr. Flynn was entrapped by the FBI”); id. (affirming that “Mr. Flynn’s rights were [not] violated by the fact that he did not have a lawyer present for the interview”); Plea Agreement, ECF No. 3 at 10 (“I fully understand this [Plea] Agreement and agree to it without reservation. I do this voluntarily and of my own free will, intending to be legally bound.”); Plea Hr’g Tr., ECF No. 16 at 29 (affirming that no one “forced, threatened, or coerced [Mr. Flynn] in any way into entering this plea of guilty”).

And it is undisputed that Mr. Flynn not only made those false statements to the FBI agents, but he also made the same false statements to the Vice President and senior White House officials, who, in turn, repeated Mr. Flynn’s false statements to the American people on national television. See Gov’t’s Surreply, ECF No. 132 at 8.
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This was Judge Sullivan, just a few months ago.

 
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