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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (7 Viewers)
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squistion
Footballguy
Hope you can rejoin us on a regular basis again!
Rove!
Footballguy
Yes because if I wanted to get a secret message out to my spy buddies from Russia, I'd just just blurt it out on international TV. Good plan...
Sabertooth
Footballguy
They are panning out just fine. It's just there is so much corruption and filth associated with Trump that we need to have multiple streams going at once. Think of it as one of those giant trough urinals like they used to have at sports arenas. Lots of streams going at once. But they all end up in the same spot, the sewer. In this example, think of Trump as the sewer.
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BassNBrew
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Bruce Dickinson
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Sabertooth
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timschochet
Footballguy
This is where we respectfully disagree.
Sure, Putin is doing all that stuff, and he'd love to weaken NATO. But a true challenge to NATO means invading a NATO country, testing our willingness to live up to our pledge. And I don't think Putin will ever do that.
But, that being said, it was unwise policy IMO of Presidents Clinton and Bush to extend NATO to several of the eastern European nations that border the former Soviet Union. I'm not sure why we did that, and hopefully we won't regret it.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
I recall a moment during the 2012 campaign where Romney said Russia was USA's top geopolitical foe, and Obama was dismissive of that claim.
I was making fun of BassNBrew failing the "your/you're" test.
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BassNBrew
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HellToupee
Footballguy
That is fine.
A thread @Rich Conway started a while back had this article in it has a much darker take: http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8845913/russia-war
Curious on your thoughts on it (can't find the thread right now).
Sabertooth
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The Commish
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Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Username was intended to be a tribute to the Walken SNL sketch. I'm a fan of both, but the concise answer to your question is "Walken".
Sabertooth
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I'm familiar with Max Fisher. It's a very scary article. And it's not new- back in the 70s, Jonathan Schell argued that nuclear war is inevitable, that essentially mankind is living in a coda since 1945, and doomed to extinction. Even beyond the current specifics with Russia, the argument made by Schell is simple and terrifying: we cannot ultimately prevent the spread of nuclear weapons. Eventually there will be a misunderstanding between distrusting nations, and somebody will use nukes. Mankind will not survive.
I have no good rebuttal to this argument in general, but specifically I don't believe that Putin is the man to start a nuclear war.
Bruce Dickinson
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Joe Summer
Footballguy
Off topic, but Bruce Dickinson didn't produce "Don't Fear The Reaper". He was just a record label executive whose name had appeared on the back cover of BOC's "Greatest Hits" album, which caused the SNL writers to assume that he produced the song.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
1) I did not know that. I'm glad I do now.
2) I can't decide if that makes the sketch more or less funny, or no change.
3) anyone who says no one learns anything in the political threads can suck on it
Van Dyman
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Kanil
Footballguy
What I meant was, is this bull#### made up by opposition or is it legitimate? Was this reported by the liberal version of brietbart or is this a legitimate news source?
whoknew
Footballguy
I don't think anyone knows yet.
Pretty sure Schindler isn't a liberal. And the FT is a legit news source. Having said that, there's no smoking gun.
To me, this seems like something that is worth more investigation, but nothing more at this point. So I hope FT/NYT/WaPo are on it.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-sanctions-top-putin-ally-alleged-litvinenko-killers-210301848.html
US blacklists Putin ally, alleged Litvinenko killers
ashington (AFP) - The United States on Monday blacklisted Russian President Vladimir Putin's reputed top enforcer and two more Russians alleged to have fatally poisoned ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko in London a decade ago.
The Treasury added the prosecutor and senior investigator Alexander Bastrykin and alleged assassins Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitri Kovtun to the Magnitsky Act sanctions list.
Announcing the decision, the State Department did not elaborate on the new targets or the timing, which comes at a time of heightened tension with Moscow.
President Barack Obama's outgoing administration has accused the Kremlin of using cyber espionage, leaking and propaganda in a bid to influence November's White House race.
Moscow has scornfully rejected the charges, over which Washington has already expelled 35 Russian diplomats allegedly involved in espionage.
Monday's decision zeroes in on a close Putin ally.
Bastrykin is one of the Russian president's most powerful allies and as head of an investigative agency that had led crack downs on domestic dissidents and targeted foreign NGOs and other groups accused of meddling in Russian politics.
British officials have identified Lugovoi and Kovtun as main suspects in the death of Litvinenko, who succumbed to radiation poisoning in London in 2006 after drinking polonium-laced tea.
The Magnitsky Act was originally passed to enable US officials to impose sanctions on Russians implicated in the 2009 prison death of Russian tax fraud whistleblower Sergei Magnitsky.
But more individuals have been blacklisted over the years.
The list now includes 44 names of those whose assets under US jurisdiction are frozen, and who are barred from doing business with Americans or receiving US visas.
The act allows for the designation of those implicated in the murder, torture or persecution of those who reveal corruption in Russia, State Department spokesman John Kirby said.
The US authorities also added two more less well-known Russian officials, Stanislav Gordievsky and Gennady Plaksin, to the list.
US blacklists Putin ally, alleged Litvinenko killers
ashington (AFP) - The United States on Monday blacklisted Russian President Vladimir Putin's reputed top enforcer and two more Russians alleged to have fatally poisoned ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko in London a decade ago.
The Treasury added the prosecutor and senior investigator Alexander Bastrykin and alleged assassins Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitri Kovtun to the Magnitsky Act sanctions list.
Announcing the decision, the State Department did not elaborate on the new targets or the timing, which comes at a time of heightened tension with Moscow.
President Barack Obama's outgoing administration has accused the Kremlin of using cyber espionage, leaking and propaganda in a bid to influence November's White House race.
Moscow has scornfully rejected the charges, over which Washington has already expelled 35 Russian diplomats allegedly involved in espionage.
Monday's decision zeroes in on a close Putin ally.
Bastrykin is one of the Russian president's most powerful allies and as head of an investigative agency that had led crack downs on domestic dissidents and targeted foreign NGOs and other groups accused of meddling in Russian politics.
British officials have identified Lugovoi and Kovtun as main suspects in the death of Litvinenko, who succumbed to radiation poisoning in London in 2006 after drinking polonium-laced tea.
The Magnitsky Act was originally passed to enable US officials to impose sanctions on Russians implicated in the 2009 prison death of Russian tax fraud whistleblower Sergei Magnitsky.
But more individuals have been blacklisted over the years.
The list now includes 44 names of those whose assets under US jurisdiction are frozen, and who are barred from doing business with Americans or receiving US visas.
The act allows for the designation of those implicated in the murder, torture or persecution of those who reveal corruption in Russia, State Department spokesman John Kirby said.
The US authorities also added two more less well-known Russian officials, Stanislav Gordievsky and Gennady Plaksin, to the list.
Thanks. I find the idea (shared by Trump) that we need even greater nuclear capabilities very unnerving.
Someone mentioned yesterday, and I had not realized, this was actually his last press-conference
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Michelle was such a disgrace. Oh wait we don't care about that anymore.WheelsUp said:
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
I'll post what I did in the last thread about what I think needs to happen:
Investigation and public hearings of the Trump campaign communications with Russia during the campaign. I don't expect there to be any smoking gun that they actively collaborated but the information needs to be publicly aired. This can't be something left to a Trump administration to lead for obvious reasons.
Disclose and divest from all business interests that have Russian connections. I share the Office of Gov't Ethics opinion that he should follow the example of every other modern president and do this for all his holdings, but given the Russian interference on his behalf I think it is especially critical he do this to avoid any potential appearance of conflict.
Investigation and public hearings of the Trump campaign communications with Russia during the campaign. I don't expect there to be any smoking gun that they actively collaborated but the information needs to be publicly aired. This can't be something left to a Trump administration to lead for obvious reasons.
Disclose and divest from all business interests that have Russian connections. I share the Office of Gov't Ethics opinion that he should follow the example of every other modern president and do this for all his holdings, but given the Russian interference on his behalf I think it is especially critical he do this to avoid any potential appearance of conflict.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
And they just keep hitting their head against the wall.Billy Bush crotch grab didn't work
Blatant disrespect for power beaten into the public's head but still no impact.
Lets keep trying to cast Trump as the devil because eventually it will seep in with folks.
timschochet
Footballguy
As I wrote, I don't think this is much of a story but I also don't understand how posts like this one contribute to the discussion. You seem to be gloating that Trump won and that his supporters aren't paying attention to his faults.
Billy Bush crotch grab didn't work
Blatant disrespect for power beaten into the public's head but still no impact.
Lets keep trying to cast Trump as the devil because eventually it will seep in with folks.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm simply saying that the Left continues to run the same play book much like the GOP did for a long time until it was time to reset the table, apparently.
Also a growing trend by those on the Left or really just anti-Trump in general is a strong desire to cut down the poster which you did with great delight almost gloating about it in your post.
I didn't direct the comment towards Tim in any way. Also was there not a thread 70 pages long going back to Summer that Bob Magaw had originally launched? Anyone know what happened?
We have a lot of information already accumulated and then we get Johnny Come Lately who show up and want to own the story, Tim!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Now this would be bigSlapdash said:
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
If it were widely known for a long time Trump has all these connections then why did everyone sell him so short in the media? And why didn't someone blow the lid off this? I guess the crotch grabber angle seemed at the time like it had more teeth and easier Knockout for the HRC Camp?
How did everyone miss this?
There should be a recall effort and full on Civil War, what are we waiting for?
How did everyone miss this?
There should be a recall effort and full on Civil War, what are we waiting for?
Eephus
Footballguy
Trump's ties were made in China. This Russia business is another lie from the failing lamestream media. So sad.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
See Eephus I'm afraid what is happening is anything the media wants to report on Trump true or untrue it's all gonna be put out there. A lot of folks will not listen but then you are going to have folks who live in urban sprawls come face to face with a fraction of those folks who doesn't buy into these media driven witch hunts...let me put it another way, give this a few more months as this is the tip of the iceberg...then we will send MoP into the field in a black or minority driven section of Dade or Palm Beach and let's see what happens when He sticks a mic in someone's face and act like he is anti-Trump and want to get their reaction...let the fireworks begin.
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The General
Footballguy
Trump talked about Wikileaks something like 160 times in the last month of the election in public appearances.
Now acts like it didn't matter.
This guy
Now acts like it didn't matter.
This guy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
You know what is even funnier, HRC had 3 Million more people in the country vote for herTrump talked about Wikileaks something like 160 times in the last month of the election in public appearances.
Now acts like it didn't matter.
This guy
What other country elects a candidate that doesn't have the most votes?
The General
Footballguy
A separate issue but yeah that sucks. The system we have though.You know what is even funnier, HRC had 3 Million more people in the country vote for her
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
If you start with the scoreboard 66-63, HRC...isn't anything that follows after sort of brought on by everyone? We obviously didn't learn much in 2000. What will change in 2020/2024?
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
I've gone thru this whole thread and not one person has yet posted a picture of Trump's Russian Ties. Are they better than regular ties? Do they cost more than the ones you can buy at Kohls?
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I strongly disagree with this. Trump has been thoroughly vetted. We know with near-total certainty that he's dangerously unqualified, temperamentally unsuited, and intellectually and ethically unfit to be president. It's just that a disturbingly large number of people are cool with Trump because he'll stick it to brown people. But this guy is the most vetted president-elect of all times. We know what we elected.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I have posted this before but I will repeat when MOP laughs he hits the like button regardless of who I vote or don't vote for. I thought this was funny, thanks IK.
