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I still take him 1.02 in rookie drafts. There's no real concern with long-term outlook and I don't draft for this-year contributions. The only difference is what veterans I'd take in trade for him now since I do make trades based on current season lineup needs. Knowing I'm getting a 0 from him this year I would trade him for AJ Green, for example, where I would not have a week ago.
Yes. If I'm drafting 1.2, then I'm not contending this year anyways most likely. So why not take the best long term talent on the board and then take my high pick next year (Love or Brown maybe?)
Even if you are contending, are you drafting a rookie to plug into your playoff contending team? My guess is you're drafting for depth and the future. I think dropping him in rankings is short sighted for dynasty purposes.
It could really go either way. Cook was a bit unique as he flashed bigtime prior to his injury., which Guice did not have a chance to. Consider ARob as a counter-point, who is very young and missed all of last year with an ACL and saw his ADP drop by a round or so despite his situation improving (he'd likely have dropped even further if he stayed in Jax).Amused to Death said:
Draft was before. The declined trade suggests the owner still values Guice highly (or just doesn’t like Penny).
I'm not suggesting Guice will be a top-10 RB next year, just a comparison of a player who suffered the same injury (with less time to recover) appears to be well enough to warrant that pre-season ranking. Certainly Cook had the chance to flash last year, but the health is a good sign.
I would take Barkley, Chubb, rojo, Michel, kJ, Freeman, penny over him at this pt.
That's about all anyone has right now...
Chubb tore 3 ligaments with a dislocation and cartilage damage. Far worse than Guice's injury.
Yeah, not even close. Chubb had a near Marcus Lattimore type injury. Guice was a simple acl tear.
If I'm deciding between Chubb and Guice, it doesnt take me more than the time it takes to say both of their names to make up my choice.
You're losing a year with Chubb too. And even in 2019 you're still looking at Duke stealing catches from Chubb. Guice has less of an obstacle there as it seemed the team was willing to use him and impressed with his ability in the passing game. I would disagree heavily with anyone who thinks Chubb is going to have a fantasy relevant season in 2018, barring injury to others. I could be wrong (and hope so as I own Chubb in another dynasty league with Guice), but I just don't see it happening. Which is why I say it wouldn't take me long to decide between the two; both are being drafted for 2019 and beyond, and I think Guice is going to be much better.
Don't discount Chris Thompson. Dude had 39 catches in 10 games last year, and could really gel with the new QB before Guice has a chance to. Could be just as much an obstacle to Guice as Johnson is to Chubb. Really the same with K Johnson in Detroit as well, with T Riddick.
Thompson will be turning 29 and in the last year of his contract in 2019. He is a factor limiting Guice's upside but much less of one than Duke Johnson who next year will only be 25 and will be in year 2 of his new 4 year contract. As good as Thompson looked last year, Duke was second only to Kamara in RB receiving prowess last year per PFF.matttyl said:
Stole my thunder.
That's what I don't get, dropping him in ranking due to a 'lost year'. Who are you drafting in his place that you're counting on for production *this* year? Assuming you had Guice ranked #2, you're still taking a lesser talent who will still be a lesser talent a year from now. And Chubb had a horrendous knee injury already himself - far worse than Guice's.
Got him in the 11th round in my redraft. We are able to keep players in the same round the following year if they never reach the active roster. Prob could have waited longer but didn’t want to miss him.
It seems to be the going rate in my leagues. I have 3 shares of Guice and in 2 of those leagues I have really good teams and tried trading him away. I couldn't get a decent back or receiver for him. In the one league I was offered Jordy straight up, the other league I was Miller even up. I tried some counters with no luck.
Maybe after a few games are played you can find a trade partner.
If you have strong teams why are you trying to trade him away?
Basically what I would have said. If only getting lowball offers, keep him until some other team is out of it and willing to fire sale to you, otherwise sit on him for a year.
Because the injury and suspension bug has hit me already.
Sounds like someone is just trying to screw you over for this week/season. I'd snap accept that if I owned any Drake shares (I don't).
That was a very generous offer. Like tangfoot said, that should be a snap accept from the other owner. Roll full Chicago backfield and hope for the best - maybe see if you can acquire a rental player (Barber, Scott/Gillislee, Lynch, Fitzgerald). Hooper is due for a 3rd year breakout.
Damn, hate to hear that but I had missed this as well. I recall a few weeks ago him telling someone he was "just trying to get his knee right" and it kind of alarmed me. Still has time to get ready but not want you want to hear.
