Biabreakable
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I seem to be good at picking games when players of interest are not performing well.
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RB Derrius Guice, Free Agent (2 Viewers)
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
He’s healthy now and has an extra week to prepare for The Tide. This we be a true test for him and an opportunity to make a statement. I believe the results will be dependent heavily on LSU O-Line which has struggled all year.
Tex
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Alabama made Fournette look hesitant and mediocre...I wouldn't judge Guice on this matchup.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I have pretty much decided to just watch cut ups at the end of the season as I have tried to watch too many games live that ended up being a waste of time.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I hear you on that. I will start posting games again. I took a few years off but this year I will start posting them online. Next year I plan to have my own site. I record all of them them selectively pick which games I want to watch and fast forward through the extra noise.
Tex
Agreed, if you downgrade a player based on his results vs Alabama, you need a new evaluation process.
psychobillies
Footballguy
There's really no reason to compare him to Fournette. He's a different back. He's got slightly better vision and better lateral quickness, but I honestly don't think he has the same top end speed. He's got good power, but he's not in Fournette's league there. What they do/did against Bama won't say much either. There's a different coordinator at LSU who presumably won't run the same two power plays into 9 and 10 men boxes all night. I don't expect much success from the RB's against Bama, but there should be better production than there has been just from the play calling alone.
Every run vs Ole Miss.
I might be nuts, but I'm not sure he's 100% yet. That's obviously the best he's looked all year, but Ole Miss is atrocious on defense. Darrell Williams also had 200 all purpose yards against them that night.
Every run vs Ole Miss.
I might be nuts, but I'm not sure he's 100% yet. That's obviously the best he's looked all year, but Ole Miss is atrocious on defense. Darrell Williams also had 200 all purpose yards against them that night.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Thanks psychobillies.for the clips. Will check that out.
I wasn't sure how good Ole Miss was this year. They have been a decent defense in the past, but maybe not so much this year?
It helps to have some context of how well Williams did in the game as well.
I wasn't sure how good Ole Miss was this year. They have been a decent defense in the past, but maybe not so much this year?
It helps to have some context of how well Williams did in the game as well.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Spookytooth
Footballguy
Are he and barkley the clear cut top two rbs?
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Barkley is heads and shoulders (King Kong Size) above the rest with Guice being #2 but that 3 tier has a lot closer gap between them vs Tier 1. There’s probably 3-5 running backs you can make the case for and not be wrong at this point.
Tex
Moonshine
Footballguy
I'd add Bryce Love above to the list, if he comes out. His injuries this year worry me, and I wouldn't mind if he added little weight, but his talent feels like the real deal.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
A better question would be, in ppr dynasty drafts, will Guice go #2, or will Courtland Sutton, James Washington, or Calvin Ridley go #2?
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kcfflguy
Footballguy
That's a good question. It'll be interesting to see how those WRs rate when all is said and done. I think if Guice goes 1st RD or right situation in the 2nd I'd place him ahead off all 3 as once again I don't love this WR class at the current moment. But it's still early
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree about this WR class being weak. However, at the top it's pretty good with Sutton, Washington, Ridley, and Kirk. After that it isn't that good, but we all know someone will step up and make us look foolish
Perhaps someone like Dante Pettis.
kcfflguy
Footballguy
I think pretty good is fair but at the moment I wouldn't be surprised if any of the 4 you mentioned are a top 10 pick or lingering around to the 2nd round.I agree about this WR class being weak. However, at the top it's pretty good with Sutton, Washington, Ridley, and Kirk. After that it isn't that good, but we all know someone will step up and make us look foolish
JohnnyU
Footballguy
One thing I noticed at the .27 mark of this video is Guice passed up a hole center/to left of center and went right. Should we question his vision? #35 was moving laterally toward that hole but you would think Guice would have shot through it with room to spare, especially to the right side of that hole. Video is the 3rd one down.
http://waitingfornextyear.com/2017/11/an-early-glance-at-the-running-back-class-in-the-2018-nfl-draft/
http://waitingfornextyear.com/2017/11/an-early-glance-at-the-running-back-class-in-the-2018-nfl-draft/
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Anthony Miller is a future superstar.I agree about this WR class being weak. However, at the top it's pretty good with Sutton, Washington, Ridley, and Kirk. After that it isn't that good, but we all know someone will step up and make us look foolish
JohnnyU
Footballguy
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Lol, it actually shows his great vision. Guice was actually about to move to his left as it appears a hole was opening up but if you look at #35 he’s shredding a block and is about to tackle Guice (he’s coming from Guice’s left) but Guice makes a move, avoids the tackle and makes a positive gain.
I see the opposite my friend, looks like a damn good football move. He’s just so natural when he makes his move it might appear that he didn’t see the hole but you can tell he was headed straight for it but sudden move in the opposite direction.
Watch that play again.
Tex
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
He could have shot through the right side of that hole, but instead went to an area where there was no place to run. He didn't see the hole.
I wouldn’t read to much into it either way. Every RB in the history of football missed holes.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree with that, but it's something, if you're looking for anythinG to not select him 1.2 in dynasty drafts if you're already strong at RB.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Easier said than done in an experienced league. They also know there are good options later, like Bryce Love, Anthony Miller, Ridley, Sutton (no later than 1.3 probably), Kirk, and possibly Washington (no later than 1.5 probably).
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I’d be dying to trade into the two spot if I could get Guice, especially if I was a RB needy team. Anyway, just an idea, you can always throw it out there and see if anyone bites.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I have the 1.3 in a league and see no need to trade to the 1.2 spot. If anything I'd love to trade down to 1.5 and get some future high picks. I have Fournette, Gurley, Hunt, McCaffrey, and McCoy already in that league where we only have to start 1 RB. It's a dynasty ppr and the only WRs on my team are OBJ, Antonio Brown, and Julio Jones. We can start 1-5 RB, 1-5 WRs, total of 9 starters on offense.
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Sorry, I thought you were at 1.2. Barkley and Guice will probably both be gone at your pick.
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JohnnyU
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FWIW, I see it exactly as Tex. He gets blasted by that LB if he hits the "hole" that you're referencing.
Regardless, silly to write off a prospect based on one play regardless of whether they actually did miss a gaping hole or not.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree with the bolded. Having said that, If Barkley goes 1.1 and one of the WRs go 1.2, I'm not that excited about drafting Guice at 1.3 in a ppr league where you only have to start 1RB when I already have Gurley, Fournette, McCoy, Hunt, and McCaffrey. Hard to trade down in experienced leagues where owners know they will get a good player later in the 1st rd. Not to mention I only have 3 WRs on my entire team. I think I would draft James Washington over Guice at 1.3.
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I get that, though there's always teams that need RBs and if Guice is drafted in the 1st and showing anything, you'll be able to move him (or one of your other RBs) alone or in a package for a WR in season.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
The specific play you are talking about, I don't think this is poor vision on Guices part at all.
They are pulling a lineman across to the right and the wing back is blocking back to the left. You have two good seal blocks on the right side that the lineman is pulling through, there is a lot more space there than the hole to the left that you think he should be hitting.
At quarter speed I can see Guice look to the left side hole, but he sees the LB is not blocked by the left tackle and is going to fill that hole, at this point he decides to follow the flow of the blocks to the right. 66 does not get a good block on the other LB forcing Guice to get skinny as he is hitting the hole. The tackle who is getting blocked backwards kind of gets in 66 way as why he couldn't get the LB blocked. The lineman being blocked backwards is able to shed and gets in the hole which forces Guice to not take it outside of the 2 blockers here.
He actually does a good job of splitting these two defenders with not much space to do it and gets past them. 66 ends up picking up the LB on the left side hole sealing him away. Number 30 is able to tackle Guice after he gets skinny and clears the two other defenders, otherwise this would have been a more successful run.
If Guice tried the hole to the left he would be met in the hole by the unblocked LB. If he tries to go outside to the right he would be met by the defensive lineman shedding his block who has outside leverage.
I think he runs this play as well as he could honestly and I don't think it is an example of poor vision on his part.
