Don't see Drake in the light you do and get a feeling they don't either but don't want to go around and around on this. I think their interest in Guice is legit, you don't, I'm moving on.
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RB Derrius Guice, Free Agent (4 Viewers)
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
224 is a bit bigger than I expected. Hopefully he performs well with the extra weight.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Jeff-LJ-Lloyd @Jeff_LJ_Lloyd 5h5 hours ago
Per @Jimetrics only 2 RBs with arm length less then 31” have had over 2000 yards in their careers. IE Guice sub 31 inch arms
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
ZWK
Footballguy
Seem false.
NFL Combine Results lists Gio Bernard (2900 career regular season rushing yards) with 28" arms, Maurice Jones-Drew (8167 rushing yards) with 28 1/8 " arms, and Darren Sproles (3366 rushing yards) with 28 1/4 " arms. Already more than 2 RBs and I'm still in the low 28s.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Not sure where he came up with that one but he's getting called out on it and the list is lengthy to dispute his numbers.
I only caught a retweet without the discussion.
LINK to the tweet replies:
https://twitter.com/Jeff_LJ_Lloyd/status/968872045214883840
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
See guys, if your arms are too short, you can’t stiff arm effectively, nor can you properly protect the football, nor can you balance yourself well which makes your cuts off balance. And don’t even get me started on how shorter arms alters speed, agility and vision. THINK, guys. Jeez.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Pretty much since the 1980s I have heard that 5' 10" and 220 lbs are the ideal metrics for a NFL RB. Its fine if they are a bit more or less than this, but that would be the median of the ideal size for the position.
@ZWK according to your research would you agree with 5' 10" 220 lbs being the ideal median range size for a RB? Or would that be something else?
@ZWK according to your research would you agree with 5' 10" 220 lbs being the ideal median range size for a RB? Or would that be something else?
ZWK
Footballguy
I don't think that there is one ideal size. The way that I've set things up, heavier is always better (as long as you do just as well in the drills - the bad thing about adding weight is that it slows you down, and that will show up in the workouts on Friday). But adding more weight helps less and less; going from 200 to 210 matters a lot, and going from 215 to 225 doesn't matter nearly as much. So Barkley, Freeman, Chubb, Guice, and Penny all have really good size. My guess is that arm length is basically irrelevant for RBs, although I haven't looked into that.
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Jets and Giants have met with LSU RB Derrius Guice
https://twitter.com/calvinwatkins/status/969291111582896128
https://twitter.com/calvinwatkins/status/969291111582896128
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
15 reps on the bench press. Thought he'd be a lot stronger than that.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Especially with those short arms
Soulfly3
Footballguy
chubb and barkley pumped out 29...
Guice should be embarassed.... Reps w shorter arms, should be easier.
Andrew74
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Not really a big deal for a RB, he squats a ton but yeah kinda embarrassing nonetheless. Makes me wonder what hes doing in the gym all day...nothing but squats?
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
You know what they say about men with short arms
[JessietheBody] That they are sexual Ty-rannosaurs [/JessietheBody]
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Is this a fact? Genuinely curious.
Definitely strength concerns for me. I kno he can run, but upper body strength still important
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Bench press isn't purely about strength. There is technique involved as well. RB "strength" has much more to do with leg drive, balance and leverage. There have been other "disappointing" bench press performances at the combine that showed to be meaningless.Soulfly3 said:
bostonfred
Footballguy
I guess because everyone has to do it. I would assume it IS a useful metric for OL/DL.menobrown said:
It's kind of a fun one since it's so easy to compare yourself to NFL players. I can do more reps than CMC! CMC only did 10. Kind of shocking Abdullah did 24. Perine did 30. Jordan Howard did 16. Tomlinson did 18.
All in all, 15 does not phase me. I would draft Guice 1.02 (if I had it) even if he didn't go to the combine at all.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
please don't panic today
LeSean McCoy didn't break 10 on the press IIRC and he had one of the worst combines ever.
LeSean McCoy didn't break 10 on the press IIRC and he had one of the worst combines ever.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Over-reacting to the combine is a right of passage around here. Over-reacting to the bench press for a RB is perhaps the nadir though,
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Well the center from Ohio State tore a pectoral muscle doing it and will now probably lose some serious money if his draft stock falls since he'll miss the entire offseason and perhaps maybe some regular season. Maybe the RBs should think twice about skipping it.
Wow. That's got to be a fluke, though. I mean, 225 is almost warm up weight for offensive linemen. If this was a serious risk then I'm sure more people would be skipping it, but this is the first time I've heard of that happening (doesn't mean it really is the first time, though).
But yeah, a fair amount of RBs do skip it. I was just going through names on playerprofiler and several big names didn't have a bench press number. Going off memory, I think Fournette and Zeke were two of them.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Ronald Jones is waiting to do the bench press at his pro day. If I were an NFL scout I'd weigh the bar and make sure the plates actually weighed 45.
From the stuff I've read and heard over the years they keep the bench for two reasons.
Historical reference is one and this is so for several combine events. Easier to know what you are comparing.
Second one is many say the bench is most exciting part of the combine for players and those in attendance.
He is one of the reasons I started paying more attention to the 3 cone and 10 yard sprint for RB's a few years ago, he was strong in those areas and its reflective in his play.
Last year looking at top 4 producing rookie RB's and you had Kamara with 15 reps, Hunt with 18, Fournette I don't think did it and CMC did 10. I'd have pointed this out yesterday but just figured people would say that Guice is bigger with shorter arms so it's more of a concern. For me it literally means close to nothing he put up a 15 or Barkley put up 29.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
To quote Kenny Powers:
I play real sports, I'm not trying to be the best at exercising
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
Jerick McKinnon put up 32 reps at his combine.
This says 17: https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/lesean-mccoy/
f***ing A... I forgot about that. And he only weighs 209 lbs. https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jerick-mckinnon/
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
:hijack: McKinnon is one of the best athletes in the NFL. He’s done something that very few have done, successfully covert from college QB to NFL RB. You may look at his overall production as subpar but his talent level is truly off the charts even if he never shoulders a full compliment in his career. :/hijack:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I think his 3 year transition that had its share of rough patches wouldn’t have happened. If he produced like he did in year one as he did last year it would be near impossible for you to trade for him in dynasty going into next year, given his athletic measurables. If a team like the 49ers gets ahold of him, I think he has the potential to be a top 5 redraft back in ‘18... anyway, back to Guice.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
According to this research which I find to be pretty compelling the bench press is the least predictive of the combine metrics for the RB position.Soulfly3 said:
The only metrics that had some correlation were weigh, 40 time and 3 cone. Thats it.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Or arm length.
eta - as far as why the NFL has players do the bench press at the combine is because it does have predictive value for players at the TE, Guard, Defensive Tackle and perhaps surprisingly Cornerback positions.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Guice looks like Darren McFadden to me in his running style. Upright, running for contact. I expect some injuries during his career. Hard to ignore the production. I think he probably rates below Chubb, Penny and Michel for me right now though.
