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Las Vegas Raiders - Relocation approved by a vote of 31-1 (1 Viewer)

The Athletics are big winners here.  With the Raiders leaving town and the Warriors moving to San Francisco, it looks like the plan is to demolish Oracle Arena (which sits next to Oakland-Alameda County Stadium where the As play) and build a new baseball-only venue there.  Once its done, they demolish OACS.  The Athletics have suffered for years in that dump.  I can't imagine them having a modern park.

 
Seems the right team to play in Vegas.  They'll sell tickets and box seats, but how well will the locals support "their team "?  Does that even matter here?  

 
Imagine the home field advantage Vegas Raiders will have, it's gold! The opposing players will be juiced to go to sin city for the weekend and I can't imagine those guys bringing their "A game" when they are hungover after a night at the craps table and an early morning visit to the bunny ranch.  :suds:

 
Imagine the home field advantage Vegas Raiders will have, it's gold! The opposing players will be juiced to go to sin city for the weekend and I can't imagine those guys bringing their "A game" when they are hungover after a night at the craps table and an early morning visit to the bunny ranch.  :suds:
Yep, party central just like NYC and Miami.

 
As someone considering Vegas as a possible retirement location, I am in favor of this.

 
The Las Vegas Outlaws of the XFL averaged 22,619 fans per game, 5th in the league.

Las Vegas has had 3 Arena Football teams since 1994, but all 3 have folded due to poor attendance.

 
what do we think the timeline is for them to move?
Mark Davis has said that he would like to play the next two years in Oakland, then they would probably play 2019 at Sam Boyd stadiium, then get into their new stadium in 2020. Of course all of that can change depending on how the citizens of Oakland respond to the news that the Raiders will be moving. 

The biggest problem with Sam Boyd stadium is the locker rooms I guess, they are really small. They would have to expand the locker rooms to make them NFL ready. Plus I heard that they can add 7,000 seats to Sam Boyd stadium to get around 42,000 capacity.

It also sounds like the Raiders will play 1 preseason game at Sam Boyd Stadium this season and next season.

 
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GB doesn't count on party central. they count on heart burn and constipation following a night of ingesting good beer, fresh sausage and cheese curds
Hell..Appleton is one of the drinkers cities in America (was it the top one in that poll a while back?)

But yeah...beer, curds, brats and butter burgers.

 
Steve Sisolak
‏@SteveSisolak
It is official! The @RAIDERS have filed their paperwork to relocate to #LasVegas.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet  1h1 hour ago
Ian Rapoport Retweeted Steve Sisolak
The @NFL has just received the #Raiders paperwork. Should be a March vote.

 
It's a little sad and a lot exciting.  I wish it didn't have to happen but it clearly has to happen.  I hated when they left Oakland the first time and I'll hate it again, but if it gets us in a better financial situation which improves our competitiveness I'll accept it.

 
I'm goin' inTo Sin CityI'm gonna winIn Sin City

Enough of a sentimentalist/purist to be sad they can't make it work in Oakland, but am enough of a realist to know that Oakland's taxpayers funding other concerns/needs first is also the right decision for the city.

Wherever the Raiders hang their hat, that will be home. I do hope that the fan base (and the Black Hole effect of home games) isn't diluted by not having enough local die-hards, compounded by Vegas being a really easy (and often cheap) place for opposing team's fans to fly in for the games.

 
I think it is a shame from a historical standpoint and for the devoted fans of the team.   I will say that this move makes a hell of a lot more sense than the Chargers move to LA.

 
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If SD did the smart thing and moved to Vegas do you think the Raiders would have moved to LA? 
yes

The NFL really put the gun to Spanos head....denied his Carson project... told them you have 1 year to move to LA or we let the Raiders move there....

So no deal in SD or have two teams at your door step?

This situation sucks.......freaking owners

 
Theres a bus that goes from los angeles to vegas for just $25. Wouldnt be surprised if lots of LA Raiders fans buy a ticket. 

 
I'd love to catch a game when I visit. I hope they do it. 
And this is why the Raiders may find they don't have much of a home field advantage after this. Teams who play the Raiders away are going to have fans who turn it into an opportunity for a long weekend in Vegas. Opposing fans are going to travel to that stadium on a regular basis like nowhere else. 

 
Let's see...

I am a Raider fan who doesn't live in the Bay Area.

I want to spend money to go to a Raider game.

Where would I rather go? Oakland, or Las Vegas for the trip?

Where they play in Oakland is a ____hole.

Even if I lived in the Bay Area, I still would rather go to Las Vegas.

 
Riversco said:
Theres a bus that goes from los angeles to vegas for just $25. Wouldnt be surprised if lots of LA Raiders fans buy a ticket. 
Soon to be called the Raider express

 
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Mark Davis has said that he would like to play the next two years in Oakland, then they would probably play 2019 at Sam Boyd stadiium, then get into their new stadium in 2020. Of course all of that can change depending on how the citizens of Oakland respond to the news that the Raiders will be moving. 

The biggest problem with Sam Boyd stadium is the locker rooms I guess, they are really small. They would have to expand the locker rooms to make them NFL ready. Plus I heard that they can add 7,000 seats to Sam Boyd stadium to get around 42,000 capacity.

It also sounds like the Raiders will play 1 preseason game at Sam Boyd Stadium this season and next season.
That is a really long timeline...

 
And this is why the Raiders may find they don't have much of a home field advantage after this. Teams who play the Raiders away are going to have fans who turn it into an opportunity for a long weekend in Vegas. Opposing fans are going to travel to that stadium on a regular basis like nowhere else. 
I worry about that, but also wonder how much will be mitigated by Raiders fan in Cali and all over the US being able to get to these games a little more easily as well -- always cheap flights and lodging to be found in Vegas, and a great excuse for a getaway. 

 
I worry about that, but also wonder how much will be mitigated by Raiders fan in Cali and all over the US being able to get to these games a little more easily as well -- always cheap flights and lodging to be found in Vegas, and a great excuse for a getaway. 
That is an excellent point. Raider Nation always traveled to SD in huge numbers. Is going to Vegas that much different?

 
We'll displace PIT fans as the team that travels the best. Except that instead of drawing huge fanbases in road games like the Steelers, we'll just need to do it at home. ;)
Think it was Andrew Brandt who said the proposal MD and Vegas put together was very impressive 

I hope Davis puts together and keeps together a supremely dominant team purely for the fact he is an entertaining owner. I haven't read much about him but for some reason he and gene wilder as willie wonka seem like long lost brothers who no one knows what they are capable of until they present us with it.

with most the original "football type" owners gone he may be our Obi Wan

 
The Athletics are big winners here.  With the Raiders leaving town and the Warriors moving to San Francisco, it looks like the plan is to demolish Oracle Arena (which sits next to Oakland-Alameda County Stadium where the As play) and build a new baseball-only venue there.  Once its done, they demolish OACS.  The Athletics have suffered for years in that dump.  I can't imagine them having a modern park.
The Mausoleum site is a terrible place for a "modern" baseball park. It's like the Meadowlands, flat, unpopulated swampland, not a real urban park. The Jack London site is much better but the A's have totally rejected it so far.

 
Won't all these team moves start to cost teams their die hard fan base? Almost seems like it is becoming "Rent-a-team" for NFL cities. Get them for awhile until they get a better offer to move somewhere else.

 
I'm not worried much about the locals supporting the Raiders in Vegas.  The Raiders have an identity, that will help, and there are a lot of Cali people in Vegas already.  Shoot, Derek Carr grew up down the road.

I go to Vegas  2-4 times a year now, with my boys there, I might get season tickets for cripes sake.

I know LA peeps that go to Vegas twice a month.  There will be a solid number of LA fans that make the drive.  It's 8 lousy home games, this isn't baseball.

 
I'm not worried much about the locals supporting the Raiders in Vegas.  The Raiders have an identity, that will help, and there are a lot of Cali people in Vegas already.  Shoot, Derek Carr grew up down the road.

I go to Vegas  2-4 times a year now, with my boys there, I might get season tickets for cripes sake.

I know LA peeps that go to Vegas twice a month.  There will be a solid number of LA fans that make the drive.  It's 8 lousy home games, this isn't baseball.
less than 600 miles from Oaktown...thats nothing

 
I'm not worried much about the locals supporting the Raiders in Vegas.  The Raiders have an identity, that will help, and there are a lot of Cali people in Vegas already.  Shoot, Derek Carr grew up down the road.

I go to Vegas  2-4 times a year now, with my boys there, I might get season tickets for cripes sake.

I know LA peeps that go to Vegas twice a month.  There will be a solid number of LA fans that make the drive.  It's 8 lousy home games, this isn't baseball.
OK, but think a little bigger my friend.  You don't think the Casinos will have massive blocks of tickets to hand out as comps?  At best 60 -70% of the tickets, and probably much less, will be available to purchase by the fans.  All the games will be "sell outs" but most will only have around 80% of the stands full (I think many of the comp tickets will not go to Raiders or opposing teams fans and won't be utilized by those that get the tix).  Then out of those people that are there, what % will be Raiders fans?  It'll be much closer to a Super Bowl type experience than a typical NFL game experience and feel.

The home field advantage will be lost.  I guarantee it.  I also guarantee at least 2 players per year f up their lives and ability to help the team by being young, rich single (or married) and living in Vegas and doing what we all do in Vegas.  Problem is, for elite athletes in the NFL, what happens in Vegas will not stay in Vegas.  Good luck with that.

All that said, as a season ticket holder for 22 years, I prefer Vegas to LA or San Antonio.  I do worry about not having a true home field advantage and the problems our players will get into though.  

 
OK, but think a little bigger my friend.  You don't think the Casinos will have massive blocks of tickets to hand out as comps?  At best 60 -70% of the tickets, and probably much less, will be available to purchase by the fans.  All the games will be "sell outs" but most will only have around 80% of the stands full (I think many of the comp tickets will not go to Raiders or opposing teams fans and won't be utilized by those that get the tix).  Then out of those people that are there, what % will be Raiders fans?  It'll be much closer to a Super Bowl type experience than a typical NFL game experience and feel.

The home field advantage will be lost.  I guarantee it.  I also guarantee at least 2 players per year f up their lives and ability to help the team by being young, rich single (or married) and living in Vegas and doing what we all do in Vegas.  Problem is, for elite athletes in the NFL, what happens in Vegas will not stay in Vegas.  Good luck with that.

All that said, as a season ticket holder for 22 years, I prefer Vegas to LA or San Antonio.  I do worry about not having a true home field advantage and the problems our players will get into though.  
I think the casinos will certainly have some luxury suites for their high rollers, and execs. I also think they will have some blocks of tix they will buy, sure.

30% plus? That's a lot of comps, a lot of people that the casino might like to have in their casino instead of at a football game.

Mark Davis is a pretty regular guy, and I don't see him fighting to make sure casinos (which have nothing to do with him or his team) have massive blocks of tix they may or may not use.

Will it happen? Will some rix get bought by casinos and be unused or by fans that aren't hardcore?

Yes. And that will be like any other stadium. Companies own tix, club seats, and suites, and some aren't used, or are casual fans. 

4 hours is a nothing drive, I fully expect LA fans to drive out every game and represent.

 
Won't all these team moves start to cost teams their die hard fan base? Almost seems like it is becoming "Rent-a-team" for NFL cities. Get them for awhile until they get a better offer to move somewhere else.
Not that many teams really.  Raiders and Rams were already essentially vagabonds.  Browns went to Baltimore and then got the same team name back and the fans seem to come out in droves.  Chargers I guess could hurt.  It's not like every team is moving all the team.  Almost all are not.  

 
Won't all these team moves start to cost teams their die hard fan base? Almost seems like it is becoming "Rent-a-team" for NFL cities. Get them for awhile until they get a better offer to move somewhere else.
I"m guessing about 99.4% of Raider fans live in cities other than Oakland.

 

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