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To expand, FIP looks at the three true outcomes and weights each of them (HR very very bad, BB bad, K good). It is meant to be measure of the things that a pitcher can control, because balls in play have a higher variability of outcomes that can have nothing to do with the pitcher.rodg12 said:
it's been extremely difficult to quantify defense, so it's not that they have not tried, but there seem to be problems with it. Now with the MLBAM video-tracking equipment, there is much more data to be processed in order to try to refine the defensive metrics.
exit velocity for hitters. Also look at some of the xHR stuff Mike Podhorzer has done.
Well, see Jason Heyward, as mentioned by Eephus.Dickie Dunn said:
Good example. And I have to think SS is a more valuable defensive position than RF (even though I played RF almost exclusively all the way through my 20s), but I have to wonder if a guy like Mark Belanger ever would have a chance in MLB these days with so much emphasis on offense.
Adeiny Hechavarria has started for 4 seasons now trotting out a career OPS+ of 74 and he's not an elite defender like Belanger was.
They Heyward thing makes me question WAR's ultimate viability every time. No effing way a RF could possibly be that valuable defensively.
I believe dWAR and oWAR are adjusted for runs per game so a given offensive output today would result in more wins than during the steroid era.
Do you think Dave Kingman would have a job in today's game?Eephus said:
I agree. I think defense is under valued. Not knowledgeable in these advance stats, but let's take an overly simplistic look at two outfielders. Now most fly balls are pretty routine and every ML quality OF is going to catch them. But once every other game or so, there will be that one fly ball that the elite defender, player A, is going to track down that the subpar OF, player B, is going to let fall for a base hit. Maybe that is a bit of an exaggeration, but I don't think the frequency is that far off.
Personally I think it's a bit of a nod to the fact that we know so much more about offensive outcomes and value. If we had similarly reliable defensive version, I'd be willing to count it more heavily relative to the overall value of a player. I think we're getting closer with some of the stuff Mlb did last year. As of like 2014, I think you had to cheat WAR more weighted towards offensive component or even xFIP because stats like UZR are just a guess in comparison.
Top 10 in K-BB last year. Which one of these things doesn't belong?
Yep. Was never a deep stat person except for the basics. I do enjoy more scouting stuff as holes in swings and stuff.
I input a dozen or so into a spread then look for outliers. They all have value, but they all have flaws too. Need the whole picture to figure out what doesn't look right given the rest of that players profile.
