Dr. Octopus

2017 New York Jets: McCown, Petty And Hack, oh my!

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Unfortunately I've been rooting for this team since I was about 3 years old 47 years ago. If I haven't switched teams by now, it's not happening.  All I can do is control how I react to our ineptitude. I've slowly become more numb to it.

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I really hate this trade down 15 spots for a 6th round pick stuff

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The jets and pats could pick identical twins and the media would say one made a great pick and the other a terrible one. And they'd be right

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Well they added two potentially playmakers at WR so that should only help Petty and Hack once they get their chance.

They finally addressed TE but they took a guy nicknamed "Lazy Leggett" due to his poor work ethic. At least they have Sefarin-Jenkins who can take this kid under his wing and teach him how to get the most out of his talents.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Well they added two potentially playmakers at WR so that should only help Petty and Hack once they get their chance.

They finally addressed TE but they took a guy nicknamed "Lazy Leggett" due to his poor work ethic. At least they have Sefarin-Jenkins who can take this kid under his wing and teach him how to get the most out of his talents.

Maybe they thought he was related to Dave Megett

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More room for the new receivers. Devin Smith is out for the season with a torn ACL.
One injury after another for this guy, it seems.

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yeah Smith is done

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Smith is done before he basically ever started.

I don't hate our draft. I understand the reasoning for wanting clean good guys in the locker room after last year's debacle, but Cook with our second pick would have been exciting (for better or worse). Not sure how Cook would have responded in NYC, but it would have been nice to add a true offensive weapon.

The WRs helped a bit.  It was nice to finally get a decent TE. Hopefully he isn't lazy in the Pros.  I wonder if they were hoping to get Butt in the 5th. Did they get cute?

Not sure about Donahue. Hopefully the RB helps out as the #3 that we desperately need.

The CBs are developmental. Interesting that we passed on them early. For a draft loaded with CBs and allegedly edge rushers, I'm surprised we passed on them for the most part. I wonder if they were trying to trade up for King or Cam Robinson in the second round because they traded right after they were picked.

Glad we passed on QB.Let Hack play and draft one in the first next season.

 

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Gabe Marks was signed. One of my friends raved about him last season.

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I'm fine with the 2 Safeties - Bottom line - No matter what position and hole they are trying to fill, they need to Nail the pick..... Team has holes everywhere - fill them and let Bowles either thrive or go down with 2 leaders at the 1 position he should excel at

Glad they're not trying to groom another young QB in this mix... See what you got - No room to sit another guy right now.

I'm also not a fan of drafting a RB high when you're 2-3 years away from competing anyway with RB Shelf life and so many that can hold the fort... 

 

Concern is with Macc running a Draft - Someone gotta get that guy a Trade Value Chart - If I'm a GM on another team I certainly call Macc often.

With Sheldon, I'm surprised no team takes a flyer - especially 1 ready to make a run and can use him for 1 year to see,

I yelled about getting rid of the guy the night of his Car race with Drugs and Kid but, still, I'd give him  fresh start on a new team - I think some team is going to eventually get a stud with a huge chip once he's moved... I'd take him If I'm an AFC East team and watch him take out his frustrations on the jets

Another situation GM Macc probably screwed - supposedly there were higher offers last year

 

I'm OK with this draft b/c I don't see a Project QB they over paid for and I don't see any OMG WTF WHO IS THAT GUY picks....with a very low bar, I'm OK

But, lotta red flags adding up for Macc the GM on running a draft, Roster mgt, Sheldon, Caving in to Mo.. Caving in to Fitz and announcing him the starter when he was a FA in January..... Spending as if he had a Win Now team and WASTING TWO YEARS!!!!!!!

These Safeties Better be Ed Reed and Rod Woodson.....lol. They better be the Foundation of a real good Defense..

Macc is one more Draft Bust / Bad deal away from Billboards or at least deserving of it More than Idzik was..

 

GOOD TIMES - TANK AWAY!!!!!

 

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Crazy draft weekend - as Ive been posting I wanted offense in the 1st rd bad but even I was cheering for them to grab Adams as he fell so can't knock them there....some thoughts:

1st rd  - Adams - Love the pick - new defensive anchor and face of the team...Leo Williams the sequel....hope we've seen the end of those 30 yd wide open plays on 3rd and 25....also give some hits like Pryor was supposed to do....

2d rd - Mayes - On its face Im not a fan of grabbing safeties back to back...but if this was a clear BPA I dont think at this point the JEts have the luxury of drafting for need...they need players and Id rather double up on a position then spread the wealth I suppose.....next year wont be intentional tank but between 1st yr QB taking over at some point and 2 rookie safeties its going ot be a learning year with lots of losses

3rd - Stewart - Big time program and produced - film Ive seen shows a tough YAC runner and has a knack for big plays which is needed....I can see him teaming with Enuwa for a nice 1-2 punch.  

trade downs begin - rather than hit each trade let me just say im n agreement with the above - I like trading down but Mac received awful value each time he did....I believe he came up short on the value chart almost on every deal....at some point a crap shoot draft as it is becomes long shots as 5th -6th rders are longshots vs 3rd 4th.....so I did not like piling on the later picks....hopefully the extra lotto tix pan out but just have visions of Idzik's pile of picks out of the league....

4th - Hansen - was perplexed on this double up but with Smith's continuation of 2d rd busts it makes sense....kid looks like a playmaker on film and heard lots of good things from posters that watched him a lot at Cal....

5th rder -7th rders - crapshoot - not a big fan of taking a Div II kid in the 5th rd but I trust Kevin Greene had something to do with it.....the 2 CBs are interchangeable - tall with skills...maybe one hits....no idea on the RB

So all in all I expect Adams to start day 1 with Mayes worked in and a starter by mid year.....Stewart to be worked in as well eventually starting....I can see Hansen as the heir to Decker....probably worked in as a 3rd down specialist....best case on the late picks - maybe the OLB becomes a pass rush specialist and 1 of the 2 CBs work their way to being a #3 this year and start next year.....RB special teams.  

A bit surprised Mac ignored the OL completely....Once he passed on QB in the 1st 2 rds I knew this is make or break yr for Hack/Petty and Im ok with that....If this draft upgraded the DBs and WRs....they have a ton of dough next year to hit OL and LB....then draft offense next season with QB (assuming Hack/Petty are not the answer) and playmaking RB.  If it breaks this way Jets could make a nice 2018 turn around....as for 2017 though get ready for a stinker.....just hope if they do stink they suck bad enough for top pick and no more of this just enough meaningless wins to grab #5-8 picks.  

 

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As I was mulling the apathy that is the Jets 2017 season - I took a look at over the cap page on the Jets and received a nice dose of optimism....

2018 cap space is $61.5M (thats without the rooks just drafted so figure closer to $54M) - thats a lot of dough right there.....but looking at the additional cap savings with potential cuts:

Decker $6M

Skrine $3.5

Gilchrist $4.5

McCluaden $2.5

Forte $2

Thats another $18M added - figure another $8M to the draft next year and its about $64M to spend.....that's a ton of $ to upgrade the talent level.  I hate to root for tanking a season but it really would be the best thing for the long term success of the Jets....get another high draft pick - Brady in 2018 would be getting close to the end as the Jets begin their ascent.  

I understand coaches/GMs are not going to tank per se...but they dont have to....2017 should be about letting all the kids play and develop....no more loyalty to older/vet players....every gameplaye in/ won by McCown is a complete waste.  let the guy mentor Petty/Hack but the kids have to play....if the kids look good and run off some wins I personally would be ok with that rather than trying to eek out meaningless wins with McCown....I see Bowles has not named a starter yet so thats good...

heres hoping for a developing 2017 with an eye on 2018....its gonna be a rough season but hope is alive!  

 

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Yeah, that's not gonna happen. They'll screw it up somehow

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Not sure what will happen in the first 15 games but I am certain the Patriots will tank in Week 17 and cost the Jets one or two slots in the draft.

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interesting interview with Woody yesterday - he admitted total rebuild and said it was the first time they are not taking shortcuts in his entire tenure....also admitted QB is key....this gave me some hope...maybe the days of Favre, Tebow, Fitz and other "get good quick" big splashes are a thing of the past....Also seems like he is giving the mgt/team and coach a lot of rope as long as the kids progress....Im not a Bowles fan but I do think its unfair to have a playoff mandate this year....with that out there hopefully Bowles is comfortable playing the kids this yr instead of wasting time with McCown and the older vets.  

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31 minutes ago, Kiddnets said:

interesting interview with Woody yesterday - he admitted total rebuild and said it was the first time they are not taking shortcuts in his entire tenure....also admitted QB is key....this gave me some hope...maybe the days of Favre, Tebow, Fitz and other "get good quick" big splashes are a thing of the past....Also seems like he is giving the mgt/team and coach a lot of rope as long as the kids progress....Im not a Bowles fan but I do think its unfair to have a playoff mandate this year....with that out there hopefully Bowles is comfortable playing the kids this yr instead of wasting time with McCown and the older vets.  

I'm ok with McCown starting the season just to get the offense going and evaluate the WRs a little, but if he's not injured by Week 5 then whoever won the backup QB between Petty and Hack should be out there and I'd like to see the other get some starts as well.

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9 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I'm ok with McCown starting the season just to get the offense going and evaluate the WRs a little, but if he's not injured by Week 5 then whoever won the backup QB between Petty and Hack should be out there and I'd like to see the other get some starts as well.

Good call.  I started to vehemently disagree with McCown at all if you're full rebuild, but getting the line and protections right before putting the young guy in there is sensible, and good point about getting looks at the WR.  If Decker is ever healthy they should trade him to a contender and just let all the young WR/TE soak up reps.  They have some nice base talent so the faster they can get them experience the better.

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On 5/3/2017 at 8:40 AM, Kiddnets said:

interesting interview with Woody yesterday - he admitted total rebuild and said it was the first time they are not taking shortcuts in his entire tenure....also admitted QB is key....this gave me some hope...maybe the days of Favre, Tebow, Fitz and other "get good quick" big splashes are a thing of the past....Also seems like he is giving the mgt/team and coach a lot of rope as long as the kids progress....Im not a Bowles fan but I do think its unfair to have a playoff mandate this year....with that out there hopefully Bowles is comfortable playing the kids this yr instead of wasting time with McCown and the older vets.  

I don't know. Woody once said that we should build through the draft and then the next season went out and spent like a drunk sailor.  What else could he say about this upcoming season? We didn't have the cap space to spend this season and we weren't going to win with last year's team.

I've lost all faith in this management. They had a chance to play some young guys last year, yet we saw Fitz get a million chances and several veterans mail it in with no loss in playing time.

These dopes will lose all year long unintentionally due to a lack of talent and bad coaching, but then win some game at the end of the season to hurt our draft spot and a chance to land a top QB. It's almost written in stone.

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6 hours ago, NYRAGE said:

These dopes will lose all year long unintentionally due to a lack of talent and bad coaching, but then win some game at the end of the season to hurt our draft spot and a chance to land a top QB. It's almost written in stone.

Yep.  

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7 hours ago, NYRAGE said:

I don't know. Woody once said that we should build through the draft and then the next season went out and spent like a drunk sailor.  What else could he say about this upcoming season? We didn't have the cap space to spend this season and we weren't going to win with last year's team.

I've lost all faith in this management. They had a chance to play some young guys last year, yet we saw Fitz get a million chances and several veterans mail it in with no loss in playing time.

These dopes will lose all year long unintentionally due to a lack of talent and bad coaching, but then win some game at the end of the season to hurt our draft spot and a chance to land a top QB. It's almost written in stone.

I cant argue with the Woody comment - he's been a big splash owner his entire tenure...let's see if the sting of Revis sticks and he stays with the rebuild plan when they have a ton of $ next offseason.

The only way they get a top 3 pick to grab a QB is to start Hack/Petty and they are awful.....the rest of the team has talent - not playoff talent but enough talent to win 3-6 games and end up with a 6-210 pick rather than top 3.....thats why its a no brainer to go with the kids....they either develop and you have your QB or they flop and you should be able to grab a top pick.  '

If McNown starts any games it would be a complete and utter stupid decision contrary to the long term success of the franchise....which is why I fully expect him starting under center week 1.  

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Even by starting mccown...3 wins tops

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Based on what we have seen these past couple of years, I don't think there should be much doubt that McCown will start. How long is the key. He always gets hurt, but if he doesn't get hurt, I see Bowles sticking with him for at least 6 games. There is potentially 3 winnable games in there plus he won't want Hack to start against NE. I don't think the coaching staff is too crazy about Petty either. He's probably a back-up at best in their eyes.

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It still feels like there's a little too much talent on defense for the Jets to be truly #1 pick bad. Williams is a stud, I think Wilkerson will bounce back and I expect Richardson to play hard with his next contract/situation on the line. The cornerback situation is up in the air and the safeties will obviously be very green but I just think they'll do JUST enough to win like 5 games with McCown under center (which will happen because the franchise is stupid)

 

 

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Pryor should have been at OTAs. The guy is a loser.

Sheldon had to open his mouth about Marshall.  The guy will never learn.  Toilet Bowles should talk to him.  Maybe Adams should be player and coach since we have no leadership in management.  At least Morton seemed vocal.

We need to continue to purge the bad apples and losers.

 

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Like I said, I'd be ok with McCown starting off the season since the whole offense will be learning a new system and they will need to get the line protections and routes down to the point where you can truly evaluate the young QBs. I also think we need to evaluate all the first and second year WRs/TEs on the team to see if they will be enough for a young QB to succeed down the road and if Petty/Hack are throwing the ball into the ground or over their heads what can we really learn?.

Obviously I am only talking 5 games max before we make the switch, but honestly McCown will probably get injured before that anyway. I think the defense will be solid, but overall this team is too young to win that many games even with a decent stopgap QB like McCown (and he's capable of losing games with dumb decisions as well). Their CBs and LBers are still big question marks - they guys up front are excellent but they will not be able to generate enough of a consistent pass rush on their own without an edge OLB stepping up.

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20 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

but overall this team is too young to win that many games even with a decent stopgap QB like McCown

 

I mean the guy has a Career 18-42 Record...  He's 2-20 in his last 3 years!!!!...

The perfect TANK QB...lol. Plus he's Old and White so by definition he's a smart mentor...

 

 

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8 hours ago, Reaper said:

 

I mean the guy has a Career 18-42 Record...  He's 2-20 in his last 3 years!!!!...

The perfect TANK QB...lol. Plus he's Old and White so by definition he's a smart mentor...

 

 

and brittle

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23 hours ago, Reaper said:

 

I mean the guy has a Career 18-42 Record...  He's 2-20 in his last 3 years!!!!...

The perfect TANK QB...lol. Plus he's Old and White so by definition he's a smart mentor...

 

 

Yep like I said "(and he's capable of losing games with dumb decisions as well)."

 

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