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24 minutes ago, Koya said:
1 hour ago, Henry Ford said:

I keep hoping my neighborhood country is actually some kind of elaborate performance art piece.

 

Its one big Spirit Cooking BBQ...

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4 hours ago, TobiasFunke said:

Or as the journalist put it:
 

There is value in pointing out that many of the people who are most instrumental in turning this pile of garbage into law also stand to benefit significantly from it. She could have phrased it slightly differently, but cancer doesn't give you a free pass from being called out for voting for legislation that is clearly bad for most of the country but that provides huge personal/family benefits. In fact one could argue that its a relevant factor to the discussion.

Update: look at the two quotes she trapped Fox News into running in order to write a story about her tweet.  Genius.

 

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3 hours ago, sho nuff said:

He loses in court often.

He lost the attempt at the ACA health care repeal. Also a loser in the polls for a year when it comes to his approval rating. Of late it appears he hardly ever wins.

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2 hours ago, Bucky86 said:

It's why they want to send us back to the USSR.

 

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On 11/29/2017 at 2:17 PM, jonessed said:

He’s not getting banned from the UK.

Not yet, but his trip was just cancelled because of this. 

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8 hours ago, killface said:

He's an awful person.  Just awful as a human being.  I thought it would be bad but it's been much worse by any stretch of the imagination

:yes:

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45 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Not yet, but his trip was just cancelled because of this. 

Just because they won't let him in the country doesn't mean he's banned.

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3 minutes ago, Josie Maran said:

Just because they won't let him in the country doesn't mean he's banned.

Can't blame them for vetting for bad hombres. 

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Just now, Henry Ford said:

Wow.  Is that for real?

Has to be. Not only did I find it on the internet, but it was Twitter.

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1 minute ago, cosjobs said:

Has to be. Not only did I find it on the internet, but it was Twitter.

That’s unbelievable.  The lighting has always been packed. 

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Get your popcorn ready. Apparently a number of well placed sources are speculating that Trump is going to tweet something kind of racist again, and it could happen as early as tomorrow morning. This could be huge. More details to come.

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5 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

What a gift for Trump.

He'll screw it up

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7 hours ago, Mile High said:

You seem to have all the qualifications needed to be hired by Trump for a job.

I sure as hell am more qualified than Betsy Devos.

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3 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Prosecutors were idiots to call this murder. 

First degree no less. 

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28 minutes ago, badmojo1006 said:

Mexican man found not guilty in SF pier shooting

Trump Twitter blowup in 3,2,1...

I follow two local news outlets on FB.  Their comments sections are a clearinghouse for the most ignorant, hardline, backwards-###, rednecks this side of a Klan meeting in Bug Tussle.  If you think some of the unflinching Trump supporters here are stubborn, you should check out these folks.

As soon as I saw that story and that 40 people had commented I hid the post.  Not even going to try.

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3 hours ago, TobiasFunke said:

Update: look at the two quotes she trapped Fox News into running in order to write a story about her tweet.  Genius.

 

I would never, ever get into a social media kerfuffle with Feinberg.  She'd find that time I created an alias account just to see what all the fuss about the furry community was all about in like, 10 minutes.

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53 minutes ago, badmojo1006 said:

Mexican man found not guilty in SF pier shooting

Trump Twitter blowup in 3,2,1...

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

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A disgraceful verdict in the Kate Steinle case! No wonder the people of our Country are so angry with Illegal Immigration.

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8 minutes ago, Mile High said:

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A disgraceful verdict in the Kate Steinle case! No wonder the people of our Country are so angry with Illegal Immigration.

The rule of of law president...

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39 minutes ago, Eephus said:
43 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Prosecutors were idiots to call this murder. 

First degree no less. 

It's almost like they did it on purpose because they knew he'd be found Not Guilty.

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2 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

It's almost like they did it on purpose because they knew he'd be found Not Guilty.

They could have found him guilty of involuntary manslaughter, correct?

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3 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

It's almost like they did it on purpose because they knew he'd be found Not Guilty.

They did it because the felon/gun charge carries up to three years and was a slam dunk, and the judge would likely have made that concurrent with any conviction for the death.  That range falls within the range for any lower level manslaughter conviction they could have gotten anyway.  

Still stupid.  

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1 minute ago, Daywalker said:

They could have found him guilty of involuntary manslaughter, correct?

Possibly, but his whole defense was that it was accidental discharge of a weapon, which isn’t a clean fit for IM in california.  But certainly after hearing the push for murder it feels wrong; they probably would have had a shot if they’d focused heavily on IM.

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3 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

If I play with a gun in public and it goes off accidentally i'm off the hook?

No. Its likely criminally negligent homicide/involuntary manslaughter - whatever that jurisdiction has. Its reckless behavior that results in the death of someone else.

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19 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

If I play with a gun in public and it goes off accidentally i'm off the hook?

Define play, I suppose. 

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9 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Define play, I suppose. 

Pick it up and pull the trigger in close proximity to other people.

Felon with an illegal firearm shoots and kills a woman in public.  It’s an SF jury so I suppose anything could have happened, but I’m having a hard time seeing how this gets off with a slap on the wrist.  I guess immigration trumps gun laws for the time being.

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Just now, jonessed said:

Pick it up and pull the trigger in close proximity to other people.

I’m having a hard time seeing how that’s cool in SF.  I guess it is though.

Dude, have you ever been to SF? Gun play is totally cool.  I can’t tell you how many times I’ve practiced my quick draw at Vesuvio.  

Or how many hours I’ve spent at Coit Tower twirling my Peacemaker like Johnny Ringo.

 Juggling my loaded Sig Sauer P320 in the middle of GG Park like a Hacky Sack?   Whatareyoutalkingabout.

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6 minutes ago, jonessed said:

Pick it up and pull the trigger in close proximity to other people.

I’m having a hard time seeing how that’s cool in SF.  I guess it is though.

Who said it's cool?

We have a legal system - sounds like the guy should not have been tried for murder. He was not found "innocent" he was found "not guilty" - doesn't mean people are cool with it.

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Just now, McJose said:

Dude, have you ever been to SF? Gun play is totally cool.  I can’t tell you how many times I’ve practiced my quick draw at Vesuvio.  

Or how many hours I’ve spent at Coit Tower twirling my Peacemaker like Johnny Ringo.

 Juggling my loaded Sig Sauer P320 in the middle of GG Park like a Hacky Sack?   Whatareyoutalkingabout.

A few thousand times.  Was totally not aware of this.  Crazy how you miss the simple things.

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1 minute ago, Koya said:

Who said it's cool?

We have a legal system - sounds like the guy should not have been tried for murder. He was not found "innocent" he was found "not guilty" - doesn't mean people are cool with it.

He was acquited of murder, involuntary manslaughter, and assault with a deadly weapon.

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Just now, jonessed said:

He was acquited of murder, involuntary manslaughter, and assault with a deadly weapon.

Then I misunderstood part of what I read - apologies. 

Not sure how it wasn't IM, but I retract my comment on that as I had the facts wrong. 

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6 minutes ago, jonessed said:

Crazy how you miss the simple things.

You?  Not really crazy.

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17 minutes ago, jonessed said:

Pick it up and pull the trigger in close proximity to other people.

Felon with an illegal firearm shoots and kills a woman in public.  It’s an SF jury so I suppose anything could have happened, but I’m having a hard time seeing how this gets off with a slap on the wrist.  I guess immigration trumps gun laws for the time being.

He claims not to have pulled the trigger intentionally.  Which is how he beat that charge

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Just now, Henry Ford said:

He claims not to have pulled the trigger intentionally.  Which is how he beat that charge

Involuntary manslaughter?

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19 minutes ago, jonessed said:

Pick it up and pull the trigger in close proximity to other people.

Felon with an illegal firearm shoots and kills a woman in public.  It’s an SF jury so I suppose anything could have happened, but I’m having a hard time seeing how this gets off with a slap on the wrist.  I guess immigration trumps gun laws for the time being.

Three years in prison isn’t really a slap on the wrist, but it does seem too light for even an accidental discharge death, yes. 

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He didn't steal the gun he found it.

He didn't shoot the gun it accidentally went off.

It does go off and and hits someone so he throws it off the pier and leaves.

 

If he's not full of #### he's a scumbag.  Have some balls and ring him up on involuntary.  Geez.

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1 minute ago, jonessed said:

Involuntary manslaughter?

Not if the act he intended to take (which was not juggling or pulling the trigger) didn’t have a reasonably anticipated consequence of death. 

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1 minute ago, Daywalker said:

He didn't steal the gun he found it.

He didn't shoot the gun it accidentally went off.

It does go off and and hits someone so he throws it off the pier and leaves.

 

If he's not full of #### he's a scumbag.  Have some balls and ring him up on involuntary.  Geez.

I think the statute needs amending.

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2 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Not if the act he intended to take (which was not juggling or pulling the trigger) didn’t have a reasonably anticipated consequence of death. 

I’ve handled enough pistols in my life to know that it’s not easy to pull a trigger accidentally.

It’s not like the movies.

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1 minute ago, jonessed said:

I’ve handled enough pistols in my life to know that it’s not easy to pull a trigger accidentally.

It’s not like the movies.

I agree.  I also think any accidental discharge of a firearm should be statutorily set as a criminally negligent act with an ultra hazardous item and lead to strict liability civilly and criminal charges. 

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7 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

He didn't steal the gun he found it.

He didn't shoot the gun it accidentally went off.

It does go off and and hits someone so he throws it off the pier and leaves.

 

If he's not full of #### he's a scumbag.  Have some balls and ring him up on involuntary.  Geez.

He found it and carried it around with him... accidentally.  Then he accidentally pulled the trigger.  Then the bullet accidentally killed someone.  Then he accidentally threw the gun into the ocean and accidentally walked away.

A whole lot of accidents.

SF is a very politically active city, but I’m surprised they let a felon with an illegal firearm kill someone in broad daylight and walk.

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