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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

Reporting from today is that he blames Kushner for bringing in Kim Kardashian and talking him into criminal justice reform. He regrets doing it because he doesn’t believe in it and it hasn’t helped him at all with the black vote. 

Practically the one and only thing I’ve approved of and he regrets it lol

Also, he didn’t really do anything. 

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1 hour ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

He’s a menace.

Cut that off!

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25 minutes ago, Zow said:

Also, he didn’t really do anything. 

Trump didn’t, or the statute didn’t?  Because I thought the reforms to sentencing guidelines and stacking were steps in the right direction (though would defer to your superior knowledge in this particular area).

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What exactly would happen if Trump just up and took his ball home?

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Great press conference.  Everything's great, jobs and stock market are up "the likes of which nobody has ever seen."  "No other president could have done this."  "The numbers are not made up by me.  These are numbers."  

So proud of my president.  I must now disseminate this information on Facebook without critique or fact checking.    

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39 minutes ago, The Commish said:

What exactly would happen if Trump just up and took his ball home?

He'll be indicted?

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6 minutes ago, Herb said:

He'll be indicted?

I'm not holding my breath.  Does raise another question though.  Will the next President allow the documentation from the last 4 years be shared with the country?

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1 hour ago, The Commish said:

What exactly would happen if Trump just up and took his ball home?

You mean drop out of the race before November? I've seen the speculation but I think it's wishful thinking. By staying in, he retains a chance to turn things around and pull off another upset and, even if he loses, he can spend four years complaining about election fraud and pumping donors for money by promising another run in 2024.

The bigger question that you might be intending is, what happens to the GOP after 2020 if he loses/drops out? The moderates are already leaving (some new super-PAC of Bush II supporters just announced that it would oppose Don) and demographics are working badly against the party as long as its reactionary base remains prevalent. That base isn't gonna suddenly wake up and decide that they're wrong, no matter how badly their candidate might lose in November.

Maybe we shouldn't even be talking about this stuff, interesting as it is. I don't want to jinx us.

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4 minutes ago, roadkill1292 said:

You mean drop out of the race before November? I've seen the speculation but I think it's wishful thinking. By staying in, he retains a chance to turn things around and pull off another upset and, even if he loses, he can spend four years complaining about election fraud and pumping donors for money by promising another run in 2024.

The bigger question that you might be intending is, what happens to the GOP after 2020 if he loses/drops out? The moderates are already leaving (some new super-PAC of Bush II supporters just announced that it would oppose Don) and demographics are working badly against the party as long as its reactionary base remains prevalent. That base isn't gonna suddenly wake up and decide that they're wrong, no matter how badly their candidate might lose in November.

Maybe we shouldn't even be talking about this stuff, interesting as it is. I don't want to jinx us.

Yeah, I was kinda just wondering what the process would be should he just bail.  I don't think it would happen, but I was wondering what the process of replacing him would look like.

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1 hour ago, The Commish said:

What exactly would happen if Trump just up and took his ball home?

We end up with 8 years of Mike Pence

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6 minutes ago, Dan Lambskin said:

We end up with 8 years of Mike Pence

What do you think would make him the favorite over Biden or the '24 Dem candidate? Mike's got more than a whiff of Dan Quayle about him.

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Just now, roadkill1292 said:

What do you think would make him the favorite over Biden or the '24 Dem candidate? Mike's got more than a whiff of Dan Quayle about him.

Biden is a terrible candidate.  I think a lot of people will vote him just because he’s not trump.  You offer them a “normal” republican I think they go with that option. I mean I’m pretty much a liberal Democrat but you give me just about any other R vs Biden I’m going with the republican (not Pence though, don’t like him either, but I believe a lot of people on the fence would take him over Biden)

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2 minutes ago, Dan Lambskin said:

Biden is a terrible candidate.  I think a lot of people will vote him just because he’s not trump.  You offer them a “normal” republican I think they go with that option. I mean I’m pretty much a liberal Democrat but you give me just about any other R vs Biden I’m going with the republican (not Pence though, don’t like him either, but I believe a lot of people on the fence would take him over Biden)

That's hard for me to envision because I don't think Pence impresses anyone. And I don't think all that many voters are on the fence. 

Lastly, I think demographics are going to severely hinder the prospects of any conservative religious candidates at least through '28. But, hey, maybe I'm completely misreading the direction the electorate is heading and just haven't read enough about it. (It seems hard to find any meaningful research/data that leans the other way but I confess that I might not be searching in the right places)

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15 minutes ago, Dan Lambskin said:

Biden is a terrible candidate.  I think a lot of people will vote him just because he’s not trump.  You offer them a “normal” republican I think they go with that option. I mean I’m pretty much a liberal Democrat but you give me just about any other R vs Biden I’m going with the republican (not Pence though, don’t like him either, but I believe a lot of people on the fence would take him over Biden)

Why? He has an opposable thumb. He can sign all the bills sent to him. If you're a liberal dem and willing to put two more conservatives on the supreme court you might want to rethink your category.  

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14 minutes ago, Dan Lambskin said:

Biden is a terrible candidate.  I think a lot of people will vote him just because he’s not trump.  You offer them a “normal” republican I think they go with that option. I mean I’m pretty much a liberal Democrat but you give me just about any other R vs Biden I’m going with the republican (not Pence though, don’t like him either, but I believe a lot of people on the fence would take him over Biden)

I think its too late for the GOP with respect to the presidency - they will win or lose that race based solely on Trump - even if Trump is not the candidate.

If it is someone else - they will either bear the taint of Trump, or will be completely removed from Trump (say, a Romney), and thus lose Trump's enthusiastic support amongst his base.

 

But, the bigger, and potentially more important, question for the GOP is control of the Senate.  If Trump tanks in the presidential race, that will cost the GOP the senate.  But, a more moderate GOP candidate might lose the presidency, but still provide enough support in key states for the GOP to hold the senate.  Its no sure thing either way.

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2 hours ago, The Commish said:

What exactly would happen if Trump just up and took his ball home?

The biggest party since.....?

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24 minutes ago, Jackstraw said:

Why? He has an opposable thumb. He can sign all the bills sent to him. If you're a liberal dem and willing to put two more conservatives on the supreme court you might want to rethink your category.  

Biden makes late stage Reagan look lucid, but Supreme Court is a good point.

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Not gonna happen. Let's just keep working to bury his odds.

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13 minutes ago, Dan Lambskin said:

Biden makes late stage Reagan look lucid, but Supreme Court is a good point.

I don't agree with that but I think Biden is more likely to put better people around him. Get the band back together so to speak. 

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42 minutes ago, The Z Machine said:

Not gonna happen. Let's just keep working to bury his odds.

But if you're the betting type you can put $100 on Pence to win and get $6600 back.   That's good value.  I just bet $25 to win $1650

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8 hours ago, Green Balloons said:

But if you're the betting type you can put $100 on Pence to win and get $6600 back.   That's good value.  I just bet $25 to win $1650

That's actually a good bet. 

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On 7/2/2020 at 10:17 AM, Dan Lambskin said:

Biden is a terrible candidate.  I think a lot of people will vote him just because he’s not trump.  You offer them a “normal” republican I think they go with that option. I mean I’m pretty much a liberal Democrat but you give me just about any other R vs Biden I’m going with the republican (not Pence though, don’t like him either, but I believe a lot of people on the fence would take him over Biden)

As a former Republican I will not be voting for any Republican who enabled Donald J Trump. Period. Not in 2024, 2028 and so on.

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If Biden wins, then Republicans will just pull out the playbook that they used in 1994 and 2009. They'll exclaim "Socialism!" and pretend to be interested in fiscal responsibility and family values again, and they'll start winning elections again.

Sure, some people (like lazyike) won't be fooled. But most Republicans will return to the flock. People have short memories.

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1 hour ago, Joe Summer said:

If Biden wins, then Republicans will just pull out the playbook that they used in 1994 and 2009. They'll exclaim "Socialism!" and pretend to be interested in fiscal responsibility and family values again, and they'll start winning elections again.

Sure, some people (like lazyike) won't be fooled. But most Republicans will return to the flock. People have short memories.

Yep. Expect that the deficit becomes an existential threat to the country starting in 2021

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2 hours ago, lazyike said:

As a former Republican I will not be voting for any Republican who enabled Donald J Trump. Period. Not in 2024, 2028 and so on.

I'm voting for the first time this year and I feel the same way. I don't think I could ever vote for anyone who supported Trump through all of this. The guy is just so clearly unfit and has zero interest in uniting the country, I wouldn't want someone who views his behavior and actions as acceptable leading the country again.

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Oh, wow. Someone said the quiet part out loud.

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How Trump Could Lose the Election - And Still Remain President | Opinion

Happy 4th you filthy animals!

There’s not much dispute IMO about the systemic voter suppression; that is merely corruption in plain view, albeit at amped up levels the past few years.

But the invoking of emergency powers to dispute the election is way out there. That’s flat crazy, it’s not like we live in 1933 Germany.

recap of the opinion piece below:

Trump has a plan to stay in the White House if he loses election, former senator says

Tim Wirth shares theory on how Trump can stay in White House after election loss

Graig Graziosi 4 hours ago

President Donald Trump is scheming to retain power in the event of an electoral loss in November, according to a former Senator from Colorado. 

Tim Wirth published an op-ed in Newsweek where he lays out his theory, apparently inspired in-part by HBO's adaptation of the Philip Roth novel The Plot Against America.

The former Democratic senator begins with an allegation that Mr Trump will attempt to retain power through voter suppression. Mr Wirth alleges there is a strategy to suppress voter turnout by purging voters - especially inner-city voters - from registration rolls and to suppress mail-in voting. He also believes physical polling locations will be limited, especially in urban areas, in an effort to create long lines on Election Day and discourage voting.

Mr Wirth's allegations that there has been an effort in Republican-led states to remove people from the voter-roll is accurate. 

According to data compiled by Mother Jones, between 2016 and 2018, more than 17 million names have been removed from the voter rolls. While names are removed from voter rolls every year due to deaths or citizens leaving the state, the number of voters removed from the rolls since 2016 has significantly increased.

Between 2016 and 2018, states on average removed 7.6 per cent of their voters from the rolls. However, the purge in some states went much further.

Indiana purged the greatest number of voters, removing 22.3 per cent of the state's voters from its rolls. Both Virginia and Wisconsin removed 14 per cent, and Maine, Oklahoma and Massachusetts removed between 11 and 12.1 per cent. 

Mr Wirth's theory about Mr Trump trying to retain power following the 2020 US election doesn't end at the ballot box, however. He believes that - should the president lose - he will claim the vote was rigged and rely on a complicated gambit involving emergency powers and the compliance of Republican legislators to stay in the White House.

According to Mr Wirth, should Mr Trump lose in a scenario where challenger Joe Biden beats him by "decent but not overwhelming" margins in the swing states of Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, Mr Trump will declare that the vote was rigged. 

He will supposedly blame mail-in ballots and Chinese election interference for the loss and invoke emergency powers to launch a Justice Department investigation into alleged "election hacking" in the swing states.

From there, Mr Wirth claims Mr Trump will stall until 14 December, which is the date when states must appoint their US Electoral Collegeelectors. Because the swing states are each controlled by Republicans, Mr Wirth believes the state legislatures will refuse to certify their electors until the election hacking investigation is finished.

He then claims the Democrats will challenge the investigation and the challenge to the election, which will eventually be taken to the US Supreme Court. Mr Wirth believes the Supreme Court will rule against the Republicans, but will concede that Mr Trump's emergency powers authorise him to continue his investigation. The Supreme Court will also maintain that should the swing states not be able to certify their selectors by 14 December - for any reason - then the Electoral College will have to meet and vote for the president without the swing states included. 

Under Mr Wirth's theory, the Electoral College will then meet without the swing states under investigation, and neither candidate will receive enough votes to secure the presidency. According to Mr Wirth, the contested election would then move to the House of Representatives, where each delegation gets to cast one vote towards the presidency. 

Since there are more Republican controlled House delegations than Democratic controlled delegations - 26 Republican to 23 Democrats - the Republicans will be the victors of the vote and Mr Trump will remain in office. 

Mr Wirth claims the plot is not far-fetched, and points to Mr Trump's threat to invoke the Insurrection Actof 1807 to use the US military against demonstrators at the George Floyd protests, but notes later on that the "recent resistance of our military establishment is an encouraging sign and necessary component of the 'people's firewall'".

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26 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

Oh, wow. Someone said the quiet part out loud.

:tinfoilhat:

How Trump Could Lose the Election - And Still Remain President | Opinion

Happy 4th you filthy animals!

 

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There’s not much dispute IMO about the systemic voter suppression; that is merely corruption in plain view, albeit at amped up levels the past few years.

But the invoking of emergency powers to dispute the election is way out there. That’s flat crazy, it’s not like we live in 1933 Germany.

recap of the opinion piece below:

Trump has a plan to stay in the White House if he loses election, former senator says

Tim Wirth shares theory on how Trump can stay in White House after election loss

Graig Graziosi 4 hours ago

President Donald Trump is scheming to retain power in the event of an electoral loss in November, according to a former Senator from Colorado. 

Tim Wirth published an op-ed in Newsweek where he lays out his theory, apparently inspired in-part by HBO's adaptation of the Philip Roth novel The Plot Against America.

The former Democratic senator begins with an allegation that Mr Trump will attempt to retain power through voter suppression. Mr Wirth alleges there is a strategy to suppress voter turnout by purging voters - especially inner-city voters - from registration rolls and to suppress mail-in voting. He also believes physical polling locations will be limited, especially in urban areas, in an effort to create long lines on Election Day and discourage voting.

Mr Wirth's allegations that there has been an effort in Republican-led states to remove people from the voter-roll is accurate. 

According to data compiled by Mother Jones, between 2016 and 2018, more than 17 million names have been removed from the voter rolls. While names are removed from voter rolls every year due to deaths or citizens leaving the state, the number of voters removed from the rolls since 2016 has significantly increased.

Between 2016 and 2018, states on average removed 7.6 per cent of their voters from the rolls. However, the purge in some states went much further.

Indiana purged the greatest number of voters, removing 22.3 per cent of the state's voters from its rolls. Both Virginia and Wisconsin removed 14 per cent, and Maine, Oklahoma and Massachusetts removed between 11 and 12.1 per cent. 

Mr Wirth's theory about Mr Trump trying to retain power following the 2020 US election doesn't end at the ballot box, however. He believes that - should the president lose - he will claim the vote was rigged and rely on a complicated gambit involving emergency powers and the compliance of Republican legislators to stay in the White House.

According to Mr Wirth, should Mr Trump lose in a scenario where challenger Joe Biden beats him by "decent but not overwhelming" margins in the swing states of Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, Mr Trump will declare that the vote was rigged. 

He will supposedly blame mail-in ballots and Chinese election interference for the loss and invoke emergency powers to launch a Justice Department investigation into alleged "election hacking" in the swing states.

From there, Mr Wirth claims Mr Trump will stall until 14 December, which is the date when states must appoint their US Electoral Collegeelectors. Because the swing states are each controlled by Republicans, Mr Wirth believes the state legislatures will refuse to certify their electors until the election hacking investigation is finished.

He then claims the Democrats will challenge the investigation and the challenge to the election, which will eventually be taken to the US Supreme Court. Mr Wirth believes the Supreme Court will rule against the Republicans, but will concede that Mr Trump's emergency powers authorise him to continue his investigation. The Supreme Court will also maintain that should the swing states not be able to certify their selectors by 14 December - for any reason - then the Electoral College will have to meet and vote for the president without the swing states included. 

Under Mr Wirth's theory, the Electoral College will then meet without the swing states under investigation, and neither candidate will receive enough votes to secure the presidency. According to Mr Wirth, the contested election would then move to the House of Representatives, where each delegation gets to cast one vote towards the presidency. 

Since there are more Republican controlled House delegations than Democratic controlled delegations - 26 Republican to 23 Democrats - the Republicans will be the victors of the vote and Mr Trump will remain in office. 

Mr Wirth claims the plot is not far-fetched, and points to Mr Trump's threat to invoke the Insurrection Actof 1807 to use the US military against demonstrators at the George Floyd protests, but notes later on that the "recent resistance of our military establishment is an encouraging sign and necessary component of the 'people's firewall'".

This is terrifying.  

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1 hour ago, PinkydaPimp said:

This is terrifying.  

And will definitely happen if he loses.  No doubt about it. 

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54 minutes ago, Neo said:

And will definitely happen if he loses.  No doubt about it. 

And lead to riots that will make what we just saw seem extremely calm.

 

And maybe I'm naive, but I don't it happening.  Nor do I see the GOP going completely along with it.  

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1 hour ago, beef said:

And lead to riots that will make what we just saw seem extremely calm.

My first thought as well ...and I’ll find a way to join in (might have to leave Democratic Illinois to do so).

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5 minutes ago, tri-man 47 said:

My first thought as well ...and I’ll find a way to join in (might have to leave Democratic Illinois to do so).

Yeah I would 100% be there as well

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1 hour ago, beef said:

And lead to riots that will make what we just saw seem extremely calm.

Which plays into his hands.

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Dear Members of the Harvard Community,

On Monday, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced that international students will not be allowed to stay in the country if they attend institutions, like Harvard, that are holding courses online this fall. Their choices are either to transfer to another institution that provides in-person or hybrid (both in-person and online) instruction—or to depart the country and risk not being able to return. Those students who fail to comply with this guidance may face deportation.

The order came down without notice—its cruelty surpassed only by its recklessness. It appears that it was designed purposefully to place pressure on colleges and universities to open their on-campus classrooms for in-person instruction this fall, without regard to concerns for the health and safety of students, instructors, and others. This comes at a time when the United States has been setting daily records for the number of new infections, with more than 300,000 new cases reported since July 1. Moreover, if an institution pursues in-person or hybrid instruction this fall and a serious outbreak of COVID-19 occurs, the institution would face strong pressure not to switch to online instruction, as Harvard and others necessarily did this past March, because to do so would immediately place its international students in jeopardy.

In making plans for the fall, Harvard, like many other institutions, has sought to balance addressing concerns for public health with preserving our academic mission of teaching and scholarship, and we have undertaken careful planning to address the unique circumstances of our community and to enable students to make educational progress safely. We have done so recognizing that the nation is in the grip of a pandemic that poses risks to the health of millions and that threatens to overwhelm our capacity to manage it. We believe that the ICE order is bad public policy, and we believe that it is illegal.

Within the last hour, we filed pleadings together with MIT in the US District Court in Boston seeking a temporary restraining order prohibiting enforcement of the order. We will pursue this case vigorously so that our international students—and international students at institutions across the country—can continue their studies without the threat of deportation.

For many of our international students, studying in the United States and studying at Harvard is the fulfillment of a lifelong dream. These students are our students, and they enrich the learning environment for all. We fervently hope that, before long, the circumstances that necessitate online learning will pass. As a university with a profound commitment to residential education, we hope and intend to resume full in-person instruction as soon as it is safe and responsible to do so. But, until that time comes, we will not stand by to see our international students’ dreams extinguished by a deeply misguided order. We owe it to them to stand up and to fight—and we will.

Sincerely,

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On 7/3/2020 at 8:20 PM, beef said:

Nor do I see the GOP going completely along with it.  

yeah, they haven't done anything like that so far.

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12 minutes ago, song said:

yeah, they haven't done anything like that so far.

yeah, like I said, maybe I'm naive.  something like would cross a line that I think more than just mitt Romney would be against though.

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1 hour ago, beef said:

yeah, like I said, maybe I'm naive.  something like would cross a line that I think more than just mitt Romney would be against though.

yeah, maybe.

but also, that we are even thinking "well yeah, maybe, i can see that happening i guess".

 

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Trump is claiming that he postponed his rally in New Hampshire because there was a potential hurricane. In New Hampshire. Made me wonder if he used his Sharpie to move the storm inland a few hundred miles.

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9 minutes ago, Joe Summer said:

Trump is claiming that he postponed his rally in New Hampshire because there was a potential hurricane. In New Hampshire. Made me wonder if he used his Sharpie to move the storm inland a few hundred miles.

Should probably steer clear of Ohio then.  Too many volcanoes.

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As long as we're not involved in a nuclear war by the time we send him packing (hopefully at the end of 2020), I think we got off lucky.

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Quietly stockpiling a secret supply of execution drugs?

SPECIAL REPORT: How the Trump administration secured a secret supply of execution drugs

Justice Department finding loopholes around existing federal laws, again. Using compounding pharmacies, "which operate differently from large pharmaceutical companies — and with less oversight," to trick testing labs into testing lethal drugs that are earmarked for human executions. 

Again, the cruelty is the point.

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Aced it, lol.  I hope so.  it's similar to what kids do in 4k.  

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The rats are beginning to jump ship.

'Republicans are really fed up': GOP increasingly splits with Trump as his polls drag

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"There’s a real disagreement between the president and his party in this election,” said Alex Conant, a GOP strategist and former aide to Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla. "I think a lot of Republicans are really fed up with the president's divisive strategy. People are just throwing up their hands with some of the rhetoric that's coming out of the president. It's really unhelpful not just to his own re-election, but also to keeping the Senate." 

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Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, the oldest GOP senator at age 86, said Monday he would avoid the convention "because of the virus situation," while Sens. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.; Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska; Susan Collins, R-Maine; and Mitt Romney, R-Utah,  also cited coronavirus concerns as the reason they won't attend. 

A virus that is nothing to worry about and we should pack our children into schools.

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"For a lot of these elected officials, it's a chance to go there for fundraising and press attention," he said. "And if a lot of media folks are not planning to go and a lot of donors choose not to go because in-person fundraising is a bit less prevalent, then there's not much incentive to show up." 

Again, nothing to worry about and they need "the enemy of the people" to advance their campaigns.

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The administration's mounting controversies have pushed even Republicans who previously refused to break ranks with Trump to begin speaking out – most notably as it relates to the dramatic uptick in coronavirus cases in the U.S.

They have been vocal in their opposition to his refusal to wear a mask, pressuring the administration for increased testing and, most recently, some have criticized Trump for pulling out of the World Health Organization as the pandemic continues to ravage the country. 

"I disagree with the president’s decision," Alexander, a Tennessee Republican, said after the president pulled the U.S. from WHO, noting that while mistakes of the WHO should be examined, "the time to do that is after the crisis has been dealt with, not in the middle of it. Withdrawing U.S. membership could, among other things, interfere with clinical trials that are essential to the development of vaccines." 

I thought Trump has handled this perfectly.

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Most recently, after Trump criticized NASCAR for banning the Confederate flag and called for Bubba Wallace, one of the sport's only Black drivers, to apologize after the FBI said a noose found in his garage wasn't targeting the driver, Graham, a fierce defender of the president, pushed back. "I don't think Bubba Wallace has anything to apologize for," Graham told Fox News Radio. "I've lived in South Carolina all my life and if you're in business, the Confederate flag is not a good way to grow your business."

You helped create this monster Lindsey.

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Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wy., has made a habit of marking her differences with the president over his term, especially when it comes to foreign policy, and has continued to speak up throughout the latest controversies. After the president refused to wear a face mask in public, Cheney tweeted a photo of her father Dick Cheney in a mask with the hashtag #realmenwearmasks.

Everybody knows Dick Cheney is a far left liberal commie.

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4 hours ago, dkp993 said:

This was taken from twitter but is a fitting reply to your post....

Jack Goldsmith

@jacklgoldsmith

· 15h

Stone is Trump's 36th pardon/commutation, a record low number, by far, for the modern presidency. An unusually high number of these (31/36 by my count), like Stone's, were based on a personal or political connection. Both are forms of abuse of an undoubted presidential power.

Quoting from the MAGA thread.

My takeaway from this isn’t just that he’ll try and protect people who cover for him or commit crimes for him - we all figured that.  But it’s also just another example about how he doesn’t give a #### about anyone but himself and what benefits him.  He can’t even find some good causes or injustices to overturn because he just doesn’t give a damn. 

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