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6 hours ago, Kal El said:

Let's be real, they're worshiping Trump, not Jesus.

Did you watch the video?  They actually said Amen at the end!  Although there was that one interview on the white house lawn where he said he was the second coming, so maybe that's why??

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1 minute ago, yak651 said:

Did you watch the video?  They actually said Amen at the end!  Although there was that one interview on the white house lawn where he said he was the second coming, so maybe that's why??

I didn't watch it, but for them to be reacting like that to hatred, they're clearly not following Jesus. Never mind the warning He gave about people saying that they were Christ, and to not follow them.

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1 hour ago, Sinn Fein said:

Trump says and does a lot of really dumb stuff - so I am sort of ok piling on whenever he opens his mouth.

 

But, I do think this one is being blown a little out of proportion.  I think calling something a "lynching" is akin to saying someone is being railroaded.  I get the historic connotation with lynching - but its also a term that has been used quite a bit to describe how Trump feels about this process.  It just feels like this is more about kicking Trump when he is down, than any substantive outrage.

I mean, in the history of the world, I imagine more "witches" have been burned/drowned/executed than African-American lynches - yet nobody was outraged when this was all a witch-hunt - which obviously disrespects all the (mostly) women who have been falsely accused of being a witch, and then executed.

It doesn’t mean railroaded. It means the police are handing you over to a mob to be hung by the neck until someone starts carving you up to be party favors for white kids to gawk at while they rot.  As someone probably rapes your wife or sister. Primarily because you’re black. 

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58 minutes ago, Kal El said:

I didn't watch it, but for them to be reacting like that to hatred, they're clearly not following Jesus. Never mind the warning He gave about people saying that they were Christ, and to not follow them.

I have no doubt you’re a good man who practices what he believes (and believes what he says he does.) In my limited experience that would make you an anomaly among the very religious Christians I know. 

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3 hours ago, Mystery Achiever said:

I guess this is the place for this.
The anonymous author of this https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html

is releasing a tell-all book next month, anonymously, of course. I still think it is The Conways   

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/22/anonymous-trump-op-ed-author-will-publish-book-about-president.html

That’s always been my guess. Someone close enough to Trump with seemingly blind loyalty publicly so that he would never suspect her.

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7 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I have no doubt you’re a good man who practices what he believes (and believes what he says he does.) In my limited experience that would make you an anomaly among the very religious Christians I know. 

I obviously can't speak for them, but for me, my walk with Christ is based on the knowledge that this is a relationship, not a religion. A religion to me is based on ritual, generally doesn't change things, and usually is ceremonial. My faith doesn't fall under that, since it's about relationship, it changes over time. No two things are exactly the same, I could even read the same Bible verse at two different times, and I might get different practical advice both times(Proverbs 18:6 has helped me out a few times). A modern example for me to describe it is the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The former hasn't changed since Jefferson wrote it, whereas the latter is still being amended from time to time. It's a living document, as it were.

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3 minutes ago, Kal El said:

I obviously can't speak for them, but for me, my walk with Christ is based on the knowledge that this is a relationship, not a religion. A religion to me is based on ritual, generally doesn't change things, and usually is ceremonial. My faith doesn't fall under that, since it's about relationship, it changes over time. No two things are exactly the same, I could even read the same Bible verse at two different times, and I might get different practical advice both times(Proverbs 18:6 has helped me out a few times). A modern example for me to describe it is the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The former hasn't changed since Jefferson wrote it, whereas the latter is still being amended from time to time. It's a living document, as it were.

That certainly explains it. 
My issue is always with religion, it is never with a person’s faith. I applaud you for yours. 

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20 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

That certainly explains it. 
My issue is always with religion, it is never with a person’s faith. I applaud you for yours. 

Thank you, I try to give people hope whenever I can.

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5 minutes ago, Kal El said:

Thank you, I try to give people hope whenever I can.

I really appreciate reading your posts.  The way you explain faith and Christianity is exactly how I feel too.  Thank you.

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15 minutes ago, beef said:

I really appreciate reading your posts.  The way you explain faith and Christianity is exactly how I feel too.  Thank you.

You're welcome! I probably come across as crazy to some, but par for the course. 

At any rate, Trump's lies keep getting worse. Photoshopping out guys you don't like doesn't work in the modern age, with copies of the photo available everywhere.

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2 minutes ago, Dickies said:

Looks to have been deleted. Did they scribble out Bolton with a Sharpie?

Looks like it was just an alternative fact.

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24 minutes ago, Dickies said:

Looks to have been deleted. Did they scribble out Bolton with a Sharpie?

Why did it get pulled?  Fake news on fake news?

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5 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

Trump says and does a lot of really dumb stuff - so I am sort of ok piling on whenever he opens his mouth.

 

But, I do think this one is being blown a little out of proportion.  I think calling something a "lynching" is akin to saying someone is being railroaded.  I get the historic connotation with lynching - but its also a term that has been used quite a bit to describe how Trump feels about this process.  It just feels like this is more about kicking Trump when he is down, than any substantive outrage.

I mean, in the history of the world, I imagine more "witches" have been burned/drowned/executed than African-American lynches - yet nobody was outraged when this was all a witch-hunt - which obviously disrespects all the (mostly) women who have been falsely accused of being a witch, and then executed.

This take surprises me. I think it was a carefully selected word for specific intent/impact.

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7 hours ago, BigJim® said:

This take surprises me. I think it was a carefully selected word for specific intent/impact.

Maybe it feels different up north.  Down South that word means something very specific.  You don’t “lynch” someone who gets the death penalty, “lynching” is never used in any other context.  
 

Yeah, “crucified” has a meaning outside of Jesus, but not really anymore, you know?

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11 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Maybe it feels different up north.  Down South that word means something very specific.  You don’t “lynch” someone who gets the death penalty, “lynching” is never used in any other context.  
 

Yeah, “crucified” has a meaning outside of Jesus, but not really anymore, you know?

It's different down South, I really think. I've heard lynch tossed around up North for metaphorical things since I was a kid. I dunno...that's just my experience. 

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1 minute ago, rockaction said:

It's different down South, I really think. I've heard lynch tossed around up North for metaphorical things since I was a kid. I dunno...that's just my experience. 

Good thing the South seceded then, so Teump no longer has to worry about Southerners among his voters.....

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Just now, msommer said:

Good thing the South seceded then, so Teump no longer has to worry about Southerners among his voters.....

I'm not trying to be snide; I'm just missing your humor on this one. Over my head or something.

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5 minutes ago, rockaction said:

I'm not trying to be snide; I'm just missing your humor on this one. Over my head or something.

Dude, the orange one has to speak for all so not an excuse he may be from the north where meaning of and use of the term lynching may be less severe, than in say, South Carolina (from where Lindsay Graham hails)

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Just now, msommer said:

Dude, the orange one has to speak for all so not an excuse he may be from the north where meaning of and use of the term lynching may be less severe, than in say, South Carolina (from where Lindsay Graham hails)

Oh, I see. Well that doesn't leave much room for colloquial language, then. Rather formal, maybe even presidential tones and a narrow vocabulary are required is I guess what you're saying. I'm willing to give differing regions and differing cultures their native tongue, but other's mileage may vary on that.

Secession seems like an odd leap to make that point somehow, though. But regardless. I'll let it rest. 

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18 minutes ago, rockaction said:

It's different down South, I really think. I've heard lynch tossed around up North for metaphorical things since I was a kid. I dunno...that's just my experience. 

Same here.  When I hear the term "lynching" or "lynch mob," the first mental image that pops into my head is something like this.  Obviously I understand intellectually that lynching was a major part of racial terrorism throughout the south (and not exactly alien to the north), but it's always going to be an old west thing first for me.

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3 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Same here.  When I hear the term "lynching" or "lynch mob," the first mental image that pops into my head is something like this.  Obviously I understand intellectually that lynching was a major part of racial terrorism throughout the south (and not exactly alien to the north), but it's always going to be an old west thing first for me.

Yeah, when I think of "lynch mobs," it's usually of the academic shouting down variety. It's a total metaphor. Of course, if one asks where that metaphor comes from, then it's likely not prudent to use the words at all. I'm just saying it's like water off a duck's ### to me. 

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10 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Didn’t Jerry Falwell come from Lynchburg, VA? I always found that to be an unfortunate name for a town. 

There's a pre-made alcohol beverage called Lynchburg Lemonade. It comes in bottles. Falwell, well, I have no idea what he comes in. 

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2 minutes ago, rockaction said:

There's a pre-made alcohol beverage called Lynchburg Lemonade. It comes in bottles. Falwell, well, I have no idea what he comes in. 

Well...that and Lynchburg TN being the home of Jack Daniels...

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Just now, sho nuff said:

Well...that and Lynchburg TN being the home of Jack Daniels...

At least it's not Jack Ketch's

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Just now, sho nuff said:

Well...that and Lynchburg TN being the home of Jack Daniels...

That's what I actually sort of thought. That a distillery was there somehow. Probably too busy drinking it back then to be reading where it came from, I guess. 

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2 minutes ago, rockaction said:

That's what I actually sort of thought. That a distillery was there somehow. Probably too busy drinking it back then to be reading where it came from, I guess. 

Been to the distillery a few times and go trout fishing in the area sometimes.

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44 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Same here.  When I hear the term "lynching" or "lynch mob," the first mental image that pops into my head is something like this.  Obviously I understand intellectually that lynching was a major part of racial terrorism throughout the south (and not exactly alien to the north), but it's always going to be an old west thing first for me.

Down here everyone has seen someone’s family pictures from going to a lynching.  You don’t tie a noose in Louisiana without meaning it that way these days. 

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25 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Didn’t Jerry Falwell come from Lynchburg, VA? I always found that to be an unfortunate name for a town. 

It’s an unfortunate town

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28 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Didn’t Jerry Falwell come from Lynchburg, VA? I always found that to be an unfortunate name for a town. 

Yes, where he is from and the home of Liberty University that he founded.  Also the place of pollardsvision's restaurant, so not all bad.

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@therickwilson

Republican pollster tells me the drop in Trump's approval is finally noticeably cutting into his GOP numbers.

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13 hours ago, Kal El said:

I obviously can't speak for them, but for me, my walk with Christ is based on the knowledge that this is a relationship, not a religion. A religion to me is based on ritual, generally doesn't change things, and usually is ceremonial. My faith doesn't fall under that, since it's about relationship, it changes over time. No two things are exactly the same, I could even read the same Bible verse at two different times, and I might get different practical advice both times(Proverbs 18:6 has helped me out a few times). A modern example for me to describe it is the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The former hasn't changed since Jefferson wrote it, whereas the latter is still being amended from time to time. It's a living document, as it were.

:goodposting:  This is me as well...in my experience, the more "religious" one professes to be, the less Christ-like they are.  Religion surplants relationship...spot on Kal El :thumbup: 

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20 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

@therickwilson

Republican pollster tells me the drop in Trump's approval is finally noticeably cutting into his GOP numbers.

We can’t count on this. Republicans notoriously come home on Election Day. 

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1 hour ago, Bucky86 said:

@therickwilson

Republican pollster tells me the drop in Trump's approval is finally noticeably cutting into his GOP numbers.

Rasmussen is showing an approval rating of 44%, which ties his lowest rating since February. FiveThirtyEight is showing a drop to 40.9%, which is a 2 point drop from his recent semi-high, but it's not lower than it was during the shutdown.

It remains to be seen if the drop will be permanent. Trump's approval rating tends to ebb and flow but it never stays in one place.

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Looks like Trump was on to something - this is his lawyer in court today:

Judge: If Trump shot someone on 5th Ave., "local authorities couldn’t investigate? They couldn’t do anything about it? ...” 

Trump lawyer: "No."

Judge: "Nothing could be done?...” 

Trump lawyer: “That is correct. That is correct.”

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3 hours ago, timschochet said:

Didn’t Jerry Falwell come from Lynchburg, VA? I always found that to be an unfortunate name for a town. 

They do make a hell of a lemonade. 

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2 hours ago, The Commish said:

:goodposting:  This is me as well...in my experience, the more "religious" one professes to be, the less Christ-like they are.  Religion surplants relationship...spot on Kal El :thumbup: 

Jesus challenged the religious traditions of the day on the regular. They absolutely hated His guts. I can't help but wonder what He would do if He was teaching today.

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3 hours ago, timschochet said:

Didn’t Jerry Falwell come from Lynchburg, VA? I always found that to be an unfortunate name for a town. 

It was named after John Lynch, who started a ferry service in the area to cross the river.

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16 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

I have no doubt you’re a good man who practices what he believes (and believes what he says he does.) In my limited experience that would make you an anomaly among the very religious Christians I know. 

I think that anyone with eyes can see that most people who claim to be Christians don’t practice the teachings they claim to believe.  

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3 minutes ago, shader said:

I think that anyone with eyes can see that most people who claim to be Christians don’t practice the teachings they claim to believe.  

That's been my experience with a lot of people.  I see it constantly in a small, Catholic, Iowa town.

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14 minutes ago, shader said:

I think that anyone with eyes can see that most people who claim to be Christians don’t practice the teachings they claim to believe.  

I've posted this before but seems relevant here.
Our then pre-teen daughter wanted to start attending church with some family members of mine. We practically live across the street from from the church and my wife and I supported it. She became active with the youth group and even wanted to be confirmed. She attended confirmation classes and attended Sunday service most weeks. After her confirmation, the church got a new minister and a lot of the regulars didn't like him. Our daughter stopped going and when we asked why, she said she heard people saying a lot of mean things about the new minister and, in her mind, many people didn't act very "christian". By this time she was 14 and had determined on her own that a lot of Christians just pretend and don't live it.

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Quid pro quo is Latin for "you do me, I do you." Trump's versions a little different. "You do me, go #### yourself."

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