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3 minutes ago, Yankee23Fan said:

I think that was koolaide, but good shot.

Though now that I think about it, yeah if for some reason when doing communion if my pastor said we were using koolaide this week instead of juice to signify wine, I would probably not drink that.  

Bottle it and send my way.

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6 minutes ago, Yankee23Fan said:

I think that was koolaide, but good shot.

Though now that I think about it, yeah if for some reason when doing communion if my pastor said we were using koolaide this week instead of juice to signify wine, I would probably not drink that.  

Especially if the alter boys are holding guns.

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1 hour ago, roadkill1292 said:

I'm sorry but to an unchurched leftist like me this is inexplicable to observe. That's why I pointed to it as a societal disconnect. It's normal and comfortable for you to see but I see pod people and I don't know what they're doing.

I can understand that. 

It's pretty common. Often it's more a thing where each person prays in a group on their own But this kind of group around one person or a couple is common. Here's one with Obama. Sometimes / oftentimes it's more a thing everyone just bows their head. But even then, it's common that people will hold hands like this.

I do see how this might look odd to someone that doesn't pray though. I get that. 

But for people that do pray, it's pretty common. And for what it's worth, I don't really think putting a hand on the shoulder of the person you're praying for really adds anything to the prayer. In my opinion, that's usually more a show of support for the person. 

And I do think it's odd to promote it on social media. 

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29 minutes ago, Yankee23Fan said:

I think that was koolaide, but good shot.

Trying to decide if this is a clever Jonestown joke. Everyone drank the Kool-Aide, but Jones, who shot himself.

Regardless, must be discouraging to pray that hard and open your eyes and he’s still there.

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1 hour ago, Yankee23Fan said:

I get it.

I'm guessing from the outside looking in watching 500 people do a shot of grape juice in unison with their eyes closed looks really freaky as well.

Especially if you're told that is somebody's actual blood. And it's done to wash down the portion of his body that you ate. 

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53 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said:

I can understand that. 

It's pretty common. Often it's more a thing where each person prays in a group on their own But this kind of group around one person or a couple is common. Here's one with Obama. Sometimes / oftentimes it's more a thing everyone just bows their head. But even then, it's common that people will hold hands like this.

I do see how this might look odd to someone that doesn't pray though. I get that. 

But for people that do pray, it's pretty common. And for what it's worth, I don't really think putting a hand on the shoulder of the person you're praying for really adds anything to the prayer. In my opinion, that's usually more a show of support for the person. 

And I do think it's odd to promote it on social media. 

On its, yes, it's definitely odd. However, it's not odd for Trump to want to continue to be the champion of the religious right. I think this picture was posted on social media as a means to achieve this end. 

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Trump is moving to Florida in an attempt to prevent his taxes from being released.  Of course he is.  How does anyone not see this guy is a total fraud?

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6 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_laying_on_of_hands

Joe kind of touched on it but there's lots of people that believe in this or do it.  The creepy part to me is doing it for someone who acts like that guy.

Maybe...though people that act like that guy perhaps need the prayer more than anyone.  (However, I doubt the group he allows to get close think of it that way)

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1 hour ago, Joe Bryant said:

I can understand that. 

It's pretty common. Often it's more a thing where each person prays in a group on their own But this kind of group around one person or a couple is common. Here's one with Obama. Sometimes / oftentimes it's more a thing everyone just bows their head. But even then, it's common that people will hold hands like this.

I do see how this might look odd to someone that doesn't pray though. I get that. 

But for people that do pray, it's pretty common. And for what it's worth, I don't really think putting a hand on the shoulder of the person you're praying for really adds anything to the prayer. In my opinion, that's usually more a show of support for the person. 

And I do think it's odd to promote it on social media. 

Matthew 6:5-6, "“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father,who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

 

I was wondering what Jesus would say if He saw this. Now I know.

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The younger Trump defends his father throughout the book, including pushing back a number of times on charges that the president is racist. He said when he was a kid, Michael Jackson lived in Trump Tower and came over to play video games with him and Eric.

“Oh, and by the way, given all the things my father has been called, particularly a ‘racist,’ it sure sounds odd that he’d let his son vacation with a black man or hang out with Michael Jackson, doesn’t it? If he’s a racist, he’s sure not very good at it.”

Don Junior has a book coming out and he says some things.

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So Trump is apparently wanting to cut off aid to California for wildfires, despite the federal government owning half of the forested land in the state. 

That seems like a bit of a #### move to me, or at the very least, poor timing, especially since Trump wants to continue to cut back on the Forestry budget, which handles fire mitigation on the federal land.

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15 minutes ago, Kal El said:

So Trump is apparently wanting to cut off aid to California for wildfires, despite the federal government owning half of the forested land in the state. 

That seems like a bit of a #### move to me, or at the very least, poor timing, especially since Trump wants to continue to cut back on the Forestry budget, which handles fire mitigation on the federal land.

The state controls just 3% of forest land in California, while the federal government owns 57%, according to numbers provided by the Newsom's office. About 40% of the state's forest are privately owned. Neither of the two major fires currently burning are on forest land.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trump-threatens-cut-us-funding-california-wildfires-66724797

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2 minutes ago, Mile High said:

The state controls just 3% of forest land in California, while the federal government owns 57%, according to numbers provided by the Newsom's office. About 40% of the state's forest are privately owned. Neither of the two major fires currently burning are on forest land.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trump-threatens-cut-us-funding-california-wildfires-66724797

It still reads poorly. I get Trump and Newsom don't like each other, but lives are at stake here, Donald, at least attempt to find a heart in there somewhere. Even the Grinch had one before his face turn.

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Trump threatens funding for California forest fires that didn’t happen.

The big fires that hit Southern California last week burned expensive Los Angeles homes, swept through lush agricultural land, closed the 405 Freeway and threatened a presidential library.

But they did not burn through large swaths of forests.

Nonetheless, President Trump weighed in Sunday on Twitter with a new critique of Caifornia’s forest management practices.

Gov. Gavin Newsom “has done a terrible job of forest management. I told him from the first day we met that he must ‘clean’ his forest floors regardless of what his bosses, the environmentalists, DEMAND of him. Must also do burns and cut fire stoppers...

”...Every year, as the fire’s rage & California burns, it is the same thing-and then he comes to the Federal Government for $$$ help. No more. Get your act together Governor.”

Newsom shot back with his own tweet Sunday morning: “You don’t believe in climate change. You are excused from this conversation.”

Trump’s comments contrast with the types of blazes firefighters battled last week:

--The most destructive fire broke out in the heart of Los Angeles’ Westside, starting just off the 405 Freeway near the Getty Center and burning 12 homes in Brentwood.

--The Easy fire, which threatened the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, occurred in a suburban area dotted by subdivisions and open spaces in Ventura County.

--The Maria fire burned on a mountain amid citrus and avocado groves between Santa Paula and Somis.

--The 46 fire occurred in a riverbed in Riverside County, the result of a car crash at the end of a high-speed police pursuit. The fire leaped from the riverbed to a nearby shipping container manufacturer.

--The Hillside fire did begin at the edge of the San Bernardino National Forest. But it quickly burned downhill into a San Bernardino neighborhood, which is where the fire fight occurred. It ended up burning just 200 acres but destroyed several homes.

In his Sunday tweets, Trump also seemed to threaten to cut federal funding for fires, something he’s said before.

After last year’s devastating fires in Paradise and the Malibu and Ventura County areas, Trump erroneously claimed those fires were the result of poor forest management. That sparked widespread anger in California, including among firefighters.

“We’ve got to take care of the floors, you know, the floors of the forest. It’s very important,” the president said last year, adding Finland focuses “on raking and cleaning and doing things, and they don’t have any problem, and when it is … I know everyone is looking at that... We’ve got to take care of the floors, you know, the floors of the forest. It’s very important.”

Experts quickly noted that neither the Camp nor Woolsey fires were forest fires.

They said the fire that burned thousands of homes in Paradise, killing dozens, was a vegetation fire that became a building-to-building fire when it got into the city. The Woolsey fire was not near any forests and burned through hillside communities, open space and suburban subdivisions.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-03/trump-twitter-california-forest-fires-that-didnt-happen%3f_amp=true

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52 minutes ago, Mile High said:

Trump threatens funding for California forest fires that didn’t happen.

The big fires that hit Southern California last week burned expensive Los Angeles homes, swept through lush agricultural land, closed the 405 Freeway and threatened a presidential library.

But they did not burn through large swaths of forests.

Nonetheless, President Trump weighed in Sunday on Twitter with a new critique of Caifornia’s forest management practices.

Gov. Gavin Newsom “has done a terrible job of forest management. I told him from the first day we met that he must ‘clean’ his forest floors regardless of what his bosses, the environmentalists, DEMAND of him. Must also do burns and cut fire stoppers...

”...Every year, as the fire’s rage & California burns, it is the same thing-and then he comes to the Federal Government for $$$ help. No more. Get your act together Governor.”

Newsom shot back with his own tweet Sunday morning: “You don’t believe in climate change. You are excused from this conversation.”

Trump’s comments contrast with the types of blazes firefighters battled last week:

--The most destructive fire broke out in the heart of Los Angeles’ Westside, starting just off the 405 Freeway near the Getty Center and burning 12 homes in Brentwood.

--The Easy fire, which threatened the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, occurred in a suburban area dotted by subdivisions and open spaces in Ventura County.

--The Maria fire burned on a mountain amid citrus and avocado groves between Santa Paula and Somis.

--The 46 fire occurred in a riverbed in Riverside County, the result of a car crash at the end of a high-speed police pursuit. The fire leaped from the riverbed to a nearby shipping container manufacturer.

--The Hillside fire did begin at the edge of the San Bernardino National Forest. But it quickly burned downhill into a San Bernardino neighborhood, which is where the fire fight occurred. It ended up burning just 200 acres but destroyed several homes.

In his Sunday tweets, Trump also seemed to threaten to cut federal funding for fires, something he’s said before.

After last year’s devastating fires in Paradise and the Malibu and Ventura County areas, Trump erroneously claimed those fires were the result of poor forest management. That sparked widespread anger in California, including among firefighters.

“We’ve got to take care of the floors, you know, the floors of the forest. It’s very important,” the president said last year, adding Finland focuses “on raking and cleaning and doing things, and they don’t have any problem, and when it is … I know everyone is looking at that... We’ve got to take care of the floors, you know, the floors of the forest. It’s very important.”

Experts quickly noted that neither the Camp nor Woolsey fires were forest fires.

They said the fire that burned thousands of homes in Paradise, killing dozens, was a vegetation fire that became a building-to-building fire when it got into the city. The Woolsey fire was not near any forests and burned through hillside communities, open space and suburban subdivisions.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-03/trump-twitter-california-forest-fires-that-didnt-happen%3f_amp=true

I have nothing but contempt for Trump.  Yes, contempt.

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8 minutes ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

I have nothing but contempt for Trump.  Yes, contempt.

Such a petty person

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1 hour ago, Mile High said:

Trump threatens funding for California forest fires that didn’t happen.

The big fires that hit Southern California last week burned expensive Los Angeles homes, swept through lush agricultural land, closed the 405 Freeway and threatened a presidential library.

But they did not burn through large swaths of forests.

Nonetheless, President Trump weighed in Sunday on Twitter with a new critique of Caifornia’s forest management practices.

Gov. Gavin Newsom “has done a terrible job of forest management. I told him from the first day we met that he must ‘clean’ his forest floors regardless of what his bosses, the environmentalists, DEMAND of him. Must also do burns and cut fire stoppers...

”...Every year, as the fire’s rage & California burns, it is the same thing-and then he comes to the Federal Government for $$$ help. No more. Get your act together Governor.”

Newsom shot back with his own tweet Sunday morning: “You don’t believe in climate change. You are excused from this conversation.”

Trump’s comments contrast with the types of blazes firefighters battled last week:

--The most destructive fire broke out in the heart of Los Angeles’ Westside, starting just off the 405 Freeway near the Getty Center and burning 12 homes in Brentwood.

--The Easy fire, which threatened the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, occurred in a suburban area dotted by subdivisions and open spaces in Ventura County.

--The Maria fire burned on a mountain amid citrus and avocado groves between Santa Paula and Somis.

--The 46 fire occurred in a riverbed in Riverside County, the result of a car crash at the end of a high-speed police pursuit. The fire leaped from the riverbed to a nearby shipping container manufacturer.

--The Hillside fire did begin at the edge of the San Bernardino National Forest. But it quickly burned downhill into a San Bernardino neighborhood, which is where the fire fight occurred. It ended up burning just 200 acres but destroyed several homes.

In his Sunday tweets, Trump also seemed to threaten to cut federal funding for fires, something he’s said before.

After last year’s devastating fires in Paradise and the Malibu and Ventura County areas, Trump erroneously claimed those fires were the result of poor forest management. That sparked widespread anger in California, including among firefighters.

“We’ve got to take care of the floors, you know, the floors of the forest. It’s very important,” the president said last year, adding Finland focuses “on raking and cleaning and doing things, and they don’t have any problem, and when it is … I know everyone is looking at that... We’ve got to take care of the floors, you know, the floors of the forest. It’s very important.”

Experts quickly noted that neither the Camp nor Woolsey fires were forest fires.

They said the fire that burned thousands of homes in Paradise, killing dozens, was a vegetation fire that became a building-to-building fire when it got into the city. The Woolsey fire was not near any forests and burned through hillside communities, open space and suburban subdivisions.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-03/trump-twitter-california-forest-fires-that-didnt-happen%3f_amp=true

Since when have facts mattered to Trump or influenced his comments/decisions?

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Which thread does the audio of Richard Spencer spouting horrible racist crap belong in? (not linking) 

I thought about the punching Nazis thread, but since Spencer is super tightsies with Stephen "Also a Real Nazi" Miller and Steve "So Toxic I Had to Leave the Trump White House" Bannon I figured it might as well go in the Trump thread.

They are who we thought they are.

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People surprised by Richard Spencer are probably also surprised that the pizza place that all those democrats were molesting children in actually didn't have a basement.  And believe that Trump has never lied before or that he was sent down by God like that mouth breather in the pillow commercial 

The only great thing about the Spencer stuff is that the person who ratted him was that Milo goof.   Nothing like some good old nazi on nazi violence

 

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1 hour ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Which thread does the audio of Richard Spencer spouting horrible racist crap belong in? (not linking) 

I thought about the punching Nazis thread, but since Spencer is super tightsies with Stephen "Also a Real Nazi" Miller and Steve "So Toxic I Had to Leave the Trump White House" Bannon I figured it might as well go in the Trump thread.

They are who we thought they are.

i listened to his rant and i return to my idea that we should be allowed to launch certain people in to the sun while they are eaten by bees take that to the bank brohans 

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9 minutes ago, SWC said:

i listened to his rant and i return to my idea that we should be allowed to launch certain people in to the sun while they are eaten by bees take that to the bank brohans 

How about we just don't let them anywhere near the White House?

Also, careful with that sort of talk.  Wishing ill on one of Spencer's fellow Nazis was cause for a six week ban of late.  Or so I heard.

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The Daily Mail is reporting on an allegation that kushner gave MBS the green light to arrest Khashoggi, Turkey knew, and Erdogan used that as blackmail to get trump to pull troops out. 

 

If this is true, impeachment and removal can't wait.  Our commander in chief being compromised and making military decisions for his personal gain is the nightmare scenario. 

But even if it's not true, the president actually withheld military aid from a country for personal gain. 

"It's just Ukraine" is a horrifying argument to begin with.  But if this is true then who knows how many other mysteries will be solved when we find out what trump got in return for selling out our country. This is a guy who just privations to withhold aid from a state while it's on fire. Is that because he disagrees with their politics?  

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25 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

The Daily Mail is reporting that kushner gave MBS the green light to arrest Khashoggi, Turkey knew, and Erdogan used that as blackmail to get trump to pull troops out. 

 

If this is true, impeachment and removal can't wait.  Our commander in chief being compromised and making military decisions for his personal gain is the nightmare scenario. 

But even if it's not true, the president actually withheld military aid from a country for personal gain. 

"It's just Ukraine" is a horrifying argument to begin with.  But if this is true then who knows how many other mysteries will be solved when we find out what trump got in return for selling out our country. This is a guy who just privations to withhold aid from a state while it's on fire. Is that because he disagrees with their politics?  

The whole family should be in prison given what we know already not to mention what is speculated here. The only Trump’s worth a darn are Tiffany and Barron. The “Trump” name will go down in history infamy as the dirtiest name ever in modern American history. Shameful. 

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3 minutes ago, Mario Kart said:

The whole family should be in prison given what we know already not to mention what is speculated here. The only Trump’s worth a darn are Tiffany and Barron. The “Trump” name will go down in history infamy as the dirtiest name ever in modern American history. Shameful. 

That may be true but there's a large contingent of people who still don't believe facts in evidence for a variety of reasons. 

This is beyond the worst things alleged so far.  This may be the single most shocking piece of news about a president in American history. 

I cannot imagine any defense of this.  

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7 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

Ryan Lizza @RyanLizza

There’s a lot of sobering news for Democrats in this new NYT poll of general election battleground states.

Thanks Ren for your concern in these trying times.  

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45 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

That may be true but there's a large contingent of people who still don't believe facts in evidence for a variety of reasons. 

This is beyond the worst things alleged so far.  This may be the single most shocking piece of news about a president in American history. 

I cannot imagine any defense of this.  

just wait. talking points don’t write themselves 

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Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1

Breaking via CNBC: A federal appeals court has ruled that Trump's tax returns must be turned over to a state grand jury. The panel rejected Trump's argument that he's immune as president from criminal investigation while in the White House.

 

 

I am not even sure where this goes - so I'll probably cross-post in a couple of threads...

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2 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1

Breaking via CNBC: A federal appeals court has ruled that Trump's tax returns must be turned over to a state grand jury. The panel rejected Trump's argument that he's immune as president from criminal investigation while in the White House.

 

 

I am not even sure where this goes - so I'll probably cross-post in a couple of threads...

BREAKING: Jay Sekulow statement on 2nd Circuit opinion against POTUS allowing for a NY state criminal subpoena to the Trump Org: "We will be taking this case to the Supreme Court."

 

Color me shocked.

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This is the 2nd Circuit opinion: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6538526/11-4-19-Trump-v-Vance-Opinion.pdf

 

ETA: 

The President relies on what he described at oral argument as “temporary absolute presidential immunity”—he argues that he is absolutely immune from all stages of state criminal process while in office, including pre‐indictment investigation, and that the Mazars subpoena cannot be enforced in furtherance of any investigation into his activities. We have no occasion to decide today the precise contours and limitations of presidential immunity from prosecution, and we express no opinion on the applicability of any such immunity under circumstances not presented here. Instead, after reviewing historical and legal precedent, we conclude only that presidential immunity does not bar the enforcement of a state grand jury subpoena directing a third party to produce non‐privileged material, even when the subject matter under investigation pertains to the President.

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6 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

BREAKING: Jay Sekulow statement on 2nd Circuit opinion against POTUS allowing for a NY state criminal subpoena to the Trump Org: "We will be taking this case to the Supreme Court."

 

Color me shocked.

Good thing the republicans stole that SC seat. 

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12 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

BREAKING: Jay Sekulow statement on 2nd Circuit opinion against POTUS allowing for a NY state criminal subpoena to the Trump Org: "We will be taking this case to the Supreme Court."

 

Color me shocked.

Can't wait to find out what Trump and his entire team are fighting so desperately to hide. 

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2 minutes ago, The Commish said:

Would the SC even agree to hear the case?

I am reading the 2nd Circuit Opinion now - and I think there is a decent chance they (Supreme Court) declines to even take the case.

The president's posture is that he is absolutely immune - to such an extent that it also applies to 3rd parties - in this case Mazars, the accountants.  There is no such immunity - as seen in both the Nixon and Clinton cases recently.

This case might have been a little different if NY had subpoenaed Trump directly - but since this subpoena does not require Trump to do anything - he is kind of SOL here. 

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6 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

I am reading the 2nd Circuit Opinion now - and I think there is a decent chance they (Supreme Court) declines to even take the case.

The president's posture is that he is absolutely immune - to such an extent that it also applies to 3rd parties - in this case Mazars, the accountants.  There is no such immunity - as seen in both the Nixon and Clinton cases recently.

This case might have been a little different if NY had subpoenaed Trump directly - but since this subpoena does not require Trump to do anything - he is kind of SOL here. 

Unfortunately when the law not only intersects with politics, but collides head on into it the outcome is rarely decided by stare decisis.

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Just now, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Unfortunately when the law not only intersects with politics, but collides head on into it the outcome is rarely decided by stare decisis.

Yes and No.

Close call - I agree.  But this particular issue is so strongly decided against Trump that I think the SC is just as likely to pass on even hearing the case, as it is to force itself to reverse some strong cases that say the President is not above the law.

 

For example - if the issue of forcing Executive branch employees to testify to congress came up - that is the sort of wiggle room where a polarized court could see fit to find the outcome it wanted politically.  (I think Roberts is cognizant of that impression - and is more likely to be the swing vote that would not enhance presidential privilege claims - but it would be a close call) 

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13 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

Can't wait to find out what Trump and his entire team are fighting so desperately to hide. 

As I've speculated for years now, Trump is broke.  Which is why he got in bed with the Russians and other hostile nations like SA. 

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A responsible Court of Jurists devoted to the law and the Constitution would never allow the President to be above the law.  The question is, would this Court, as constituted, carve out exceptions.  I use to not even consider such matters. Lately, I have begun to do so, and that is a sad commentary on our times.

 

I guess, in the end here I will allow myself to be guided by your judgment on this matter as I find you a well informed and level headed fellow.  Maybe the winds of these times have me drifting from my moorings.  Maybe I need a loadstone, a true north, a guide through the wilderness.  Henry Ford can't bear that responsibility alone. 

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https://twitter.com/elienyc/status/1191371439611547652?s=21

This tweet is astounding, showing the huge chasm between whites with no college education and everyone else. 

I want to make it clear that I’m simply interpreting these numbers, and any inference about the group itself is evident. We’ve seen through debate here that there’s a certain behavior pattern exhibited by those in this demographic, what they tend to care about, and how they tend to relate to information and form arguments. It’s hard to see this and conclude that this group is more concerned with the health of our system, and not acting out emotionally based on other factors related to their sense of entitlement as a product largely of their race.

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Ham said:

https://twitter.com/elienyc/status/1191371439611547652?s=21

This tweet is astounding, showing the huge chasm between whites with no college education and everyone else. 

I want to make it clear that I’m simply interpreting these numbers, and any inference about the group itself is evident. We’ve seen through debate here that there’s a certain behavior pattern exhibited by those in this demographic, what they tend to care about, and how they tend to relate to information and form arguments. It’s hard to see this and conclude that this group is more common concerned with the health of our system, and not acting out emotionally based on other factors related to their sense of entitlement as a product largely of their race.

Thanks for the reminder.  I just set aside more money for my kids college funds.  I'm more than willing to bankrupt my future and retirement account to make sure they're well educated, and also their kids.

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31 minutes ago, Mr. Ham said:

https://twitter.com/elienyc/status/1191371439611547652?s=21

This tweet is astounding, showing the huge chasm between whites with no college education and everyone else. 

I want to make it clear that I’m simply interpreting these numbers, and any inference about the group itself is evident. We’ve seen through debate here that there’s a certain behavior pattern exhibited by those in this demographic, what they tend to care about, and how they tend to relate to information and form arguments. It’s hard to see this and conclude that this group is more concerned with the health of our system, and not acting out emotionally based on other factors related to their sense of entitlement as a product largely of their race.

Common demographics vote commonly.  Not monolithically, but commonly.  So too Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, LGBTQ's, Military and LEO's, Educators, ....

Nothing particularly shocking in the poll given that we know Trump had some support somewhere.  Now whether having any support is shocking I leave to others as I do not wish to cause a ruckus.

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3 hours ago, bostonfred said:

The Daily Mail is reporting on an allegation that kushner gave MBS the green light to arrest Khashoggi, Turkey knew, and Erdogan used that as blackmail to get trump to pull troops out. 

It wouldn't surprise me at all if this happened, but I'm not going to get worked up about it until there's more corroborating evidence. Please keep us posted on this one.

I agree with you that there's probably a lot of other improprieties that have gone on, and are currently going on that we just don't know about yet.

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15 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Common demographics vote commonly. 

Yes. I'm questioning why this particular demographic supports Trump. What is the common denominator?

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4 minutes ago, Mr. Ham said:

Yes. I'm questioning why this particular demographic supports Trump. What is the common denominator?

Colleges only push Liberal agendas, or something like that.

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20 minutes ago, Mr. Ham said:

Yes. I'm questioning why this particular demographic supports Trump. What is the common denominator?

I imagine there is more than one.  The question probably could more accurately be put as what are the common denominators?  Were I called upon to pick just one I might go with perceived, if not actual, economic interest as from that can flow other matters such as xenophobia.  For others it may be intelligence, education, aculturalization, upbringing.  I merely suggest that if you are truly looking for answers you be willing to look deeper than that tweet.s. 

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1 hour ago, beef said:

Thanks for the reminder.  I just set aside more money for my kids college funds.  I'm more than willing to bankrupt my future and retirement account to make sure they're well educated, and also their kids.

Clark Howard says this is the opposite of what you should do.  I appreciate your passion and commitment to your children though GB.

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18 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

I imagine there is more than one.  The question probably could more accurately be put as what are the common denominators?  Were I called upon to pick just one I might go with perceived, if not actual, economic interest. as from that can flow other matters such as xenophobia.  For others it may be intelligence, education, aculturalization, upbringing.  I merely suggest that if you are truly looking for answers you be willing to look deeper than that tweet.s. 

I was more forgiving of Trump supporters shortly after the election. I voted for Trump, though always thought he is terrible and voted for him over Hillary for a few reasons, one of which was to cancel my wife’s vote in a state where Trump was already destined to win. I also figured Hillary would win, and didn’t want anything that appeared like a mandate, and also thought America might need a shot in the arm to start being responsible shepherds of our system. If given the choice again, I’d vote for Hillary, and if I’d been in a state that was being contested, I’d have reluctantly voted Hillary. 

I was sympathetic in 2016 to the fact that non-Urban America had been marginalized, or that this was at least perceived specifically in relation to a globalist like Clinton.

But as Trump’s lawlessness, cruelty, racism, and erraticism have manifested, and the Democratic field offers solid options, it’s hard to ignore the fact that one of, if not the, predominant factors in the Trump cult is a sense that Trump will take from “them,” and give to “us,” the denominator being strictly race. It’s why, I’d argue, his base is so hard to erode.  

 

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Ham said:

I was more forgiving of Trump supporters shortly after the election. I voted for Trump, though always thought he is terrible and voted for him over Hillary for a few reasons, one of which was to cancel my wife’s vote in a state where Trump was already destined to win. I also figured Hillary would win, and didn’t want anything that appeared like a mandate, and also thought America might need a shot in the arm to start being responsible shepherds of our system. If given the choice again, I’d vote for Hillary, and if I’d been in a state that was being contested, I’d have reluctantly voted Hillary. 

I was sympathetic in 2016 to the fact that non-Urban America had been marginalized, or that this was at least perceived specifically in relation to a globalist like Clinton.

But as Trump’s cruelty, racism, and erraticism have manifested, and the Democratic field offers solid options, it’s hard to ignore the fact that one of, if not the, predominant factors in the Trump cult is a sense that Trump will take from “them,” and give to “us,” the denominator being strictly race. It’s why, I’d argue, he base is so hard to erode.  

 

Me, I could never vote for Trump or for Hillary.  I would always vote for a third way given that choice. Given no alternative choice I would not validate the matter by participation. 

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