yeah, if the housing bubble had popped a few months later the 'results' you hyped so much would have been the exact opposite of. Timing was everything. That is the reality.
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yeah, if the housing bubble had popped a few months later the 'results' you hyped so much would have been the exact opposite of. Timing was everything. That is the reality. 
beavers
Footballguy
I thought Lou Dobbs was on CNN?
(I never watch news on tv). WTH happened with this guy?James Daulton
Footballguy
Regardless if Trump is charging reasonable rates or not, you don't see an issue with checks being written to Trump for all the costs to house the security covering his family? This conflict seems fairly straight forward to me. He and his family could make decisions based on this, stay in NYC and get paid, move to DC and not get paid, that kind of thing. Just looks bad.
shader
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At the end of Fiscal year 2016, the US took in 84,995 refugees for the year.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/30/key-facts-about-refugees-to-the-u-s/
Each refugee from the Middle East over the course of 5 years costs 64,000.
http://cis.org/High-Cost-of-Resettling-Middle-Eastern-Refugees
All that being said, I don't think it should be surprising that it costs so much.
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BustedKnuckles
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OMG ....Post - Election Stress Disorder 
Maybe Trump will sign an executive order and the left will finally push something thru that tight ### they have hahaha
Maybe Trump will sign an executive order and the left will finally push something thru that tight ### they have hahaha
I don't believe Trump has an issue with keeping his hotels rented out, so it is not an issue of getting paid or not getting paid kind of thing. The law requires the secret service to pay such fees, just like they paid to Biden. Granted it is on a much larger scale for Trump, but in principle if it is the market rate which the secret service would have to pay in that area, it should not be a big concern.
The Commish
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The context was the
that are defending a "side" in politics, not the politicians themselves. To your comment I disagree. He's unabashed, uncensored and not wrapped in any sort of political presentation. It's what makes him different from everyone else. He's blunt to a fault, the exact opposite of "political". His views aren't really all that unique but his unwillingness to apologize or push for those views in a subtle way make for a completely over the top presentation compared to politicians who are willing to play coy. At least that's my perception of him. Doesn't make him any more right/wrong and it's not a defense of him...just my
bigbottom
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The Commish
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You save your anger for petty partisan bickering even though trumps actions (which you supposedly disagree with) have far greater impact.
Nice job.
bigbottom
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apalmer
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Ned
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James Daulton
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Isn't the whole point of no conflict of interest to first not look bad and secondly not actually be bad?
James Daulton
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Unless you have stats, you're just speculating about the rented % of Trump's hotel and we don't know about the market rate and this is only a question because it's Trump's property. The whole thing feels kind of shady to me. If she moves to the WH after the kid's school year I won't have near as much an issue with it. If she chooses to stay there then everyone should have an issue with it. For multiple reasons.
CowboysFromHell
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Zow
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lacy underall
fatguyinalittlecoat
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sho nuff
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If only he had provided information that would show how/where he generates income.
Henry Ford
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http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/trump-hotels-getting-beat-trump-campaign-n670266
I don't know what they're like now, but a few months ago they were certainly having some difficulty.
Regardless, I think we're talking about Trump Tower, rather than his hotels, right?
http://ny.curbed.com/2016/11/22/13718626/trump-tower-tenants-moving-out
almost 15 percent of the units within the 58-story high-rise are listed either for sale or rent and prices have been on a steady decline, though it’s virtually impossible to know if that is a result of his recent election without speaking to the vacating tenants.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I'll give you a few guesses to figure out who doesn't have an issue with it..Anyone see a problem here?
I responded in kind to a personal attack. Not sure why I bear the brunt of this when I in no way was the one who initiated the attack.
He has successfully been in business for a long time and it is in a high rent area where rooms are usually occupied.
fatguyinalittlecoat
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Circumstances have changed A LOT in the past 18 months. Do you have any information on how the hotels are doing right now?
And just so I'm not hiding the ball here, my suspicion is that they probably aren't doing as well as they once were. That suspicion is based on: 1) news reports before the election indicating that the new Trump Hotel in D.C. was offering rooms substantially below their list price; 2) the news reports that other Trump-branded items have been suffering from poor sales (e.g., Trump Home Goods, Ivanka's clothes/shoes).
The Commish
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I do....you seem to have begun crafting a narrative with comments from two completely different conversations that have nothing to do with each other. Not sure why, but it's definitely a problem. Stuff like this is how we end up with Hillary vs Donald.
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bigbottom
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Sounds like fake news.
We don't know the exact details. But they are following the law and applicable guidelines in renting rooms. The secret service budget is enormous no matter who is POTUS.
mr roboto
Footballguy
You did, but by only quoting me, the comment which followed was directed only at me. Again, I in now way started the non-sense.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
It feels like your argument has shifted.Sounds like fake news.
We don't know the exact details. But they are following the law and applicable guidelines in renting rooms. The secret service budget is enormous no matter who is POTUS.
I am open to finding something unethical. With the given information it seems more like a potential perk to being POTUS and not unethical. Now if they are paying premium rates and it seems to be excessively used, then we can revisit. We are only one month into this thing and it seems like a nit when there are bigger issues to be focused on.
bigbottom
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My mobile only quotes the most recent post in a string. That is why I intentionally said "you guys" so it would be clear I was referring to both posts.
In any event, you appear to be arguing that you're not better than this. I guess I was mistaken.
bigbottom
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Yeah, this is pretty much where I'm at on this issue. I would be interested in hearing more details though.
Moderation on this forum is a pet peeve of mine. I should respond differently, but this type of personal attacks directed at my seems to be growing lately.
timschochet
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So these remain the major short term items in Trump's agenda, in no particular order:
1. Travel ban for Muslims
2. The Wall
3. Repeal and Replace Obamacare
4. Big tax cut
5. Major infrastructure spending
6. Tariffs
7. Realign America's international commitments
8. Defeat ISIS
He promised to do all of this on "Day One". A year from now, how much of this will have been accomplished?
1. Travel ban for Muslims
2. The Wall
3. Repeal and Replace Obamacare
4. Big tax cut
5. Major infrastructure spending
6. Tariffs
7. Realign America's international commitments
8. Defeat ISIS
He promised to do all of this on "Day One". A year from now, how much of this will have been accomplished?
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He'll have the tax cut and a partial Muslim ban, and he'll tell his supporters that the rest is really complicated stuff that needs more time to achieve (because he inherited such a mess), and they'll eat it up.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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No idea, but it's going to be good
watching the Trump folks explain that the President isn't all-powerful, and, hey, Trump tried to do all those things.("Keep your insurance plan", Guantanamo, etc)
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The Z Machine
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He'll have had a major impact on the viewership of cable news networks and clicks on political blogs.
BobbyLayne
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Not only my iPhone but also on iPad & MB.
I must be missing something basic about how to nest multiple quotes, right?
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HellToupee
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TobiasFunke
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It's fascinating that the people who so vehemently insisted that we just HAD to call out "radical Islam" by its name in order to defeat it seem so hesitant to use the words "Jewish" or "anti-Semitism" in reference to the hundreds of recent incidents of vandalism, threats and harassment, and in fact seem reluctant to refer to them at all.
I guess referring to religious minorities by name is only important when you want to discriminate against them.
I guess referring to religious minorities by name is only important when you want to discriminate against them.
timschochet
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CowboysFromHell
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Simply calling out an observation that this administration doesn't appear to be too hot on data/science-based education. You said the answer to the immigration issue was education. I agree. A lot of Trump's lies and poor policy ideas can be defeated with education, which could be why he's so against it.
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