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Mariota, Marcus TEN QB

Gurley, Todd RAM RB

Hyde, Carlos SFO RB

Beckham, Odell NYG WR

Walker, Delanie TEN TE

wasn't planning on taking gurley but he fell too far for his talent.  Really hoping shanny improves hyde's performance, I think both RBs will have better teams next year.  

Walker is the only player I don't expect to improve in 2017, but if he can just stay where he's at, he's a good anchor. 

Mariota was simply a "I'll take my favorite player" selection.  Obviously I'm a Titans fan and am hoping for the best. 

 

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Winston

McCoy, Cook

Hilton, Fitz, Decker

 

Decent enough start :banned:

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Liked the Dion Lewis pick by BNB. Made my decision easier. Was having a hard time picking two between Dion, Dixon, and Crowell. I'm pretty high on all three. Was tempted by a lot of nice WR talent left on the board - Moncrief, Decker, and Maclin in particular*, but with high volume RBs dwindling, I had to grab the last two of my three targets.

*If those guys maintain that price tag, I'll probably have them all on my auction teams. Great zero-WR candidates :P

 

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4 hours ago, FF Ninja said:

Liked the Dion Lewis pick by BNB. Made my decision easier. Was having a hard time picking two between Dion, Dixon, and Crowell. I'm pretty high on all three. Was tempted by a lot of nice WR talent left on the board - Moncrief, Decker, and Maclin in particular*, but with high volume RBs dwindling, I had to grab the last two of my three targets.

*If those guys maintain that price tag, I'll probably have them all on my auction teams. Great zero-WR candidates :P

 

Yeah, I think Maclin makes a great buy low right now. 

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35 minutes ago, FUBAR said:

Yeah, I think Maclin makes a great buy low right now. 

I like all the round 6 Wr picks.  Had a hope one would drop to 7th but entire list gobbled up. But hard not to tak RB and go more WRBC the rest of way. RB seems a little less deep. Hope Bernard comes back healthy. 

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22 minutes ago, Crippler said:

I like all the round 6 Wr picks.  Had a hope one would drop to 7th but entire list gobbled up. But hard not to tak RB and go more WRBC the rest of way. RB seems a little less deep. Hope Bernard comes back healthy. 

All except Tyrell. No way he's worth that with Keenan and Benjamin healthy. There are about 15 WRs left that I'd rank above him.

What was up with Booker going in the 6th (RB27)? That was the biggest shocker to me. I figured maybe the CJA owner would grab Booker in the mid to late teens.

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1 hour ago, FF Ninja said:

All except Tyrell. No way he's worth that with Keenan and Benjamin healthy. There are about 15 WRs left that I'd rank above him.

What was up with Booker going in the 6th (RB27)? That was the biggest shocker to me. I figured maybe the CJA owner would grab Booker in the mid to late teens.

your mistake on Tyrell, kids an animal and will get better...Travis Benjamin is  a JAG, I love Kennan but he cant seem to stay on the field.....

 

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1 hour ago, FF Ninja said:

All except Tyrell. No way he's worth that with Keenan and Benjamin healthy. There are about 15 WRs left that I'd rank above him.

What was up with Booker going in the 6th (RB27)? That was the biggest shocker to me. I figured maybe the CJA owner would grab Booker in the mid to late teens.

Booker wouldn't have lasted nearly that long.  6th was earlier than I'd take him, but he'd be on my short list in the next couple rounds.

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All aboard the QB2 train! 

Like most of my team, I think Bortles bounces back, although his season was better in ff than real nfl anyway.  Mariota and Bortles - gotta love the AFC south :)

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11 hours ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

your mistake on Tyrell, kids an animal and will get better...Travis Benjamin is  a JAG, I love Kennan but he cant seem to stay on the field.....

 

I agree with this. Reason, Travis is not drafted yet. 

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12 hours ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

your mistake on Tyrell, kids an animal and will get better...Travis Benjamin is  a JAG, I love Kennan but he cant seem to stay on the field.....

:shrug:Doesn't matter. In fact, I agree he'll get better, but he's still going to lose targets to Keenan and Benjamin. As I've mentioned in other threads, unless you think Keenan has soft kidneys, he's not really injury prone. He had two normal football injuries in 4 years. He missed 2 games due to a twisted ankle on an awkward tackle in 2014 and he tore his ACL in the 1st game of 2016. The lacerated kidney is a fluke injury. The timing of the ACL was unfortunate. If it had happened in week 15 people wouldn't be freaking out about him missing games, but his recovery timeframe would be concerning for 2017. If he hadn't had the fluke kidney injury people's perception would be quite different.

I didn't know what to make of Benjamin going into 2015. Truthfully, he was pretty much off my radar, but it would be foolish to ignore what he did in Cleveland. He's not a complete WR, but he's obviously not a JAG, either. They brought him in to play a role and he'll play it. He looked really good before playing through injury (PCL). He had 28/394/2 in his first 5 games. I'm not saying Benjamin will get more targets than Tyrell, but he won't get benched. He's still going to get some targets. I know it's easy to write off guys who played poorly through injuries, but it's lazy and usually wrong to assume that's how they'll play when healthy.

53 minutes ago, Crippler said:

I agree with this. Reason, Travis is not drafted yet. 

That's not a real reason.

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12 hours ago, FUBAR said:

Booker wouldn't have lasted nearly that long.  6th was earlier than I'd take him, but he'd be on my short list in the next couple rounds.

Mind if I ask why? I've got him on a dynasty team, but I'm not optimistic. I'll be patient with him, but what I saw last year was enough for me to write him off in redrafts this year. "Fool me once" as they say...

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1 minute ago, FF Ninja said:

Mind if I ask why? I've got him on a dynasty team, but I'm not optimistic. I'll be patient with him, but what I saw last year was enough for me to write him off in redrafts this year. "Fool me once" as they say...

I'm not especially optimistic about him but I'm really not optimistic about most of the backs left.  He would probably be on my list of next 12 RBs, which seems about in the next few rounds.  I think he'll have the opportunity to perform and is as likely as the others on my list to do so. 

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4 minutes ago, FUBAR said:

I'm not especially optimistic about him but I'm really not optimistic about most of the backs left.  He would probably be on my list of next 12 RBs, which seems about in the next few rounds.  I think he'll have the opportunity to perform and is as likely as the others on my list to do so. 

But he's not even in a RBBC. He's going to take a clear back seat to CJA. I'd think you'd rather have the passing back in a RBBC or someone with hope of goal line carries rather than a pure handcuff. I mean, the guy was about to lose his job to Kapri Bibbs! And when Bibbs got hurt, they brought in a washed up Forsett to split snaps with him. That doesn't bode well for him. He realistically could be 3rd on the depth chart to start the season.

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8 minutes ago, FF Ninja said:

But he's not even in a RBBC. He's going to take a clear back seat to CJA. I'd think you'd rather have the passing back in a RBBC or someone with hope of goal line carries rather than a pure handcuff. I mean, the guy was about to lose his job to Kapri Bibbs! And when Bibbs got hurt, they brought in a washed up Forsett to split snaps with him. That doesn't bode well for him. He realistically could be 3rd on the depth chart to start the season.

Admittedly, he's a higher risk pick. 

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Just now, FUBAR said:

Admittedly, he's a higher risk pick. 

To say the least! Basically hoping for a CJA injury AND that he can hold off the competition this year unlike last year. To me, he's like RB60.

I forgot to add, Booker owners have to hope he was an Elway pick and not a Kubiak pick, because Kubiak is gone. Kubiak seemed to always have good things to say about him before he got his chance and flopped.

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@FF Ninja the real point i think is that the sd offense... If all parts are healthy could be down right nasty.... Imagine. Keenan. Tyrell. Benji in the slot. Gates & hunter....gordon n woodhead.  Danny is a ufa...but rumor is they want to resign him.....

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1 minute ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

@FF Ninja the real point i think is that the sd offense... If all parts are healthy could be down right nasty.... Imagine. Keenan. Tyrell. Benji in the slot. Gates & hunter....gordon n woodhead.  Danny is a ufa...but rumor is they want to resign him.....

Oh, I'm a believer. Personally, I think they'd be better off with Ellington (also a FA) than Woodhead since, IMO, Woodhead is total crap as a runner, but the point remains, this offense could be really good. I just don't see how Tyrell's targets don't go way down. I think Kennan gets >144 (9/gm) and I expect a healthy Benjamin to at least maintain his 75 from last year. I have a hard time projecting anything more than 90 for Tyrell and can see scenarios where he gets less than that.

I also think they need to hand that job to Henry. Gates looks so slow now.

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QB - Dalton 7.8

RB - Mark Ingram 2.9

WR - Mike Evans 1.8, Golden Tate 5.8 & Brandon Marshall 6.9

TE - Kyle Rudolph 3.8 & Jimmy Graham 4.9

Nice tight end depth and solid WR start.

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1 hour ago, Stephen Holloway said:

QB - Dalton 7.8

RB - Mark Ingram 2.9

WR - Mike Evans 1.8, Golden Tate 5.8 & Brandon Marshall 6.9

TE - Kyle Rudolph 3.8 & Jimmy Graham 4.9

Nice tight end depth and solid WR start.

Those WRs are great, but the TE depth cost you at RB2 or QB1. Given that there's no flex in this league, I don't see the motivation for the early TE2.

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3 hours ago, FF Ninja said:

Those WRs are great, but the TE depth cost you at RB2 or QB1. Given that there's no flex in this league, I don't see the motivation for the early TE2.

marshall is toast....

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 Sorry for the delay. That's the traveling late night yesterday. National signing day. My Son signed yesterday to play soccer in the ACC

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Key starting lineup now complete with the unsexy pick. 

Q: Mariota/Bortles - go AFC south! Bortles should continue to be a better ff qb than nfl, makes for a good backup. 

R: Gurley,  Hyde - two good buy low candidates. 

W: OBJ, Maclin, Meredith - OBJ provides the highlights, Maclin should rebound from a bad 2016, while I hope Meredith gets better qb play and continues to perform. 

T: walker - as solid as they come

So far I'm digging this team, but too many players are on bad teams. 

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1 hour ago, BassNBrew said:

 Sorry for the delay. That's the traveling late night yesterday. National signing day. My Son signed yesterday to play soccer in the ACC

Congrats to him! Unless that ACC school wasn't UVA, in which case, my condolences. :P

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15 hours ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

marshall is toast....

He'll be 33 so definitely in decline, but I wouldn't say toast. In addition to the decline, he might get cut, but he also lost his OC and the QB situation is up in the air... so obviously he's high risk. But you need some luck to win these leagues and he's that guy's WR3. 

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3 hours ago, BassNBrew said:

 Sorry for the delay. That's the traveling late night yesterday. National signing day. My Son signed yesterday to play soccer in the ACC

Awesome news! Congrats to y'all!
 

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51 minutes ago, FF Ninja said:

He'll be 33 so definitely in decline, but I wouldn't say toast. In addition to the decline, he might get cut, but he also lost his OC and the QB situation is up in the air... so obviously he's high risk. But you need some luck to win these leagues and he's that guy's WR3. 

Leaving the Jets (even by getting cut) could be awesome for Marshall. He is 33 and his body should be declining, but speed goes first and Marshall does not need speed to be successful.

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8.16 128. Mr. Irrelevant Montgomery, Ty GBP WR Thu Feb 2 12:02:24 p.m. ET 2017

Bad news: MFL doesn't do multi-positional eligibility. Good news: from what I could find, they set player positions based on the Rotoworld depth charts, which currently list this guy as the Pack's #1 RB and not at all on their WR depth chart.

So apparently, at this point in the draft, I own either 0, 1, or 2 Packers RBs, and I have no idea which. :lol:

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8 minutes ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:
8.16 128. Mr. Irrelevant Montgomery, Ty GBP WR Thu Feb 2 12:02:24 p.m. ET 2017

Bad news: MFL doesn't do multi-positional eligibility. Good news: from what I could find, they set player positions based on the Rotoworld depth charts, which currently list this guy as the Pack's #1 RB and not at all on their WR depth chart.

So apparently, at this point in the draft, I own either 0, 1, or 2 Packers RBs, and I have no idea which. :lol:

Just be aware that his position for next year will be based on where MFL puts him then, not the position you drafted him at.

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3 hours ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:
5 hours ago, BassNBrew said:

 Sorry for the delay. That's the traveling late night yesterday. National signing day. My Son signed yesterday to play soccer in the ACC

Congrats to him! Unless that ACC school wasn't UVA, in which case, my condolences. 

Congrats if it's any school other than UNC .   :clap:

Charlottesville is awesome. 

 

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45 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

Just be aware that his position for next year will be based on where MFL puts him then, not the position you drafted him at.

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1 hour ago, BassNBrew said:

Just be aware that his position for next year will be based on where MFL puts him then, not the position you drafted him at.

Figured as much, which is why I used some Google-fu before I drafted him to try to read the tea leaves. It sounds like he should be listed at RB in 2017 - although now that I type that, I realize I'm counting on a site that hasn't made a UI update in 15 years to be proactive about this. :mellow:

QB - D. Carr (5.01), Wentz (6.16)

RB - D. Johnson (1.01), Lacy (7.01), Montgomery? (8.16)

WR - B. Cooks (2.16), T. Pryor (4.16), D-Jax (9.01)

TE - J. Reed (3.01)

Normally I'd be hesitant spending a 7th and an 8th locking down an RB slot, even on an offense as productive as GB's. But I'm pretty confident Lacy will test the FA waters and I'll take the potential upside of two lead backs for the price of one if that happens.

D-Jax seems like he's been undervalued ever since I joined these leagues. Yeah, he only finished WR39 last season but, in true Jackson fashion, it was via 7 games with 15+ points and 7 in single digits. Give me that distribution every time in best-ball, especially if the rumors are accurate and I get to stack him those weeks with my half-upside play, half-homer pick Wentz.

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K Williams is Mike Williams, Clemson

Wasn't sure when to take him but 9th round seems decent. I may have reached a little but he should make a nice wr4 in the right spot.  Kinda hoping he's a Titan, but could see him as a raven. 

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4.14 Cam Newton QB8 CAR
9.03 Tony Romo QB26 DAL

1.03 Ezekiel Elliot RB3 DAL
5.03 Thomas Rawls RB19 SEA
7.03 Adrian Peterson RB29 MIN

2.14 Doug Baldwin WR14 SEA
3.03 Tyreek Hill WR17 KC
6.14 Martavis Bryant WR39 PIT

8.14 Martellus Bennett TE15 NE
 

Hmmmm...guess I'm already on tilt and its only the WSL's.

Cam seemed like value and a solid pick nearing round 5 if you believe this was a down year and he and the rest of the team should improve.  I guess if you split the difference between this year and the year before he maybe is right where he should be, but I won't be surprised if he finishes top 4. Romo was a late target all along knowing he would fall but also knowing he will be starting for somebody next year.  He should piss all over QB26. 

Zeke was basically an auto pick as we know who the top 3 will be.  I have my own opinions on how they should be ranked, but you really can't go wrong with any of them (maybe). I'm assuming Rawls is the main man so I'll gobble him up all day at RB19.  Speaking of all day....I guess the Mock Draft Forum thinks ADP is dead with his initial ADP of RB29. Maybe I'm completely misreading it.  But whether he stays at a reduced rate or goes elsewhere, I still feel he has enough left to be a difference maker in the 7th round.  Dude has comeback before at a high level and I'm not gonna say it can't happen again. I'd actually prefer he go elsewhere, but I'll roll the dice at RB29 in the 7th.

Baldwin and Wilson seem to have a consistency thing going on that works pretty well in this format.  He was WR8 last year so a decent start at WR from the 2-3 turn. Hill was a reach at WR17....by one spot.  He finished WR18.  Dripping with best ball juiciness.  Will reach for him a ton in this format.  He will only get more touches. Bryant is the captain of my go big or go home attitude.  Another dice roll like ADP that I hope pays off. 

In the 8th I was sitting on Jared Cook, as I almost took him at the 6-7 turn but couldn't pass on ADP, and couldn't believe he almost made it back to me until Bass ####ed that all up. Bennett will suffice whether he stays in NE or not.  We get two extra picks in WSL so can throw some darts here later. 

Kinda feel like I'm sitting at the end of the bench by myself going "WTF?".....feels like I'm drafting from a totally different cheat sheet....even though I don't even have one...:banned: 

 

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3 hours ago, Stephen Holloway said:

Leaving the Jets (even by getting cut) could be awesome for Marshall. He is 33 and his body should be declining, but speed goes first and Marshall does not need speed to be successful.

I agree that he could end up in a better situation. I wasn't saying all negative things. I was saying good or bad, these things make him risky. He could leave and end up somewhere nice or he could end up somewhere terrible. 

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On 2/1/2017 at 5:59 AM, FF Ninja said:

:shrug:Doesn't matter. In fact, I agree he'll get better, but he's still going to lose targets to Keenan and Benjamin. As I've mentioned in other threads, unless you think Keenan has soft kidneys, he's not really injury prone. He had two normal football injuries in 4 years. He missed 2 games due to a twisted ankle on an awkward tackle in 2014 and he tore his ACL in the 1st game of 2016. The lacerated kidney is a fluke injury. The timing of the ACL was unfortunate. If it had happened in week 15 people wouldn't be freaking out about him missing games, but his recovery timeframe would be concerning for 2017. If he hadn't had the fluke kidney injury people's perception would be quite different.

I didn't know what to make of Benjamin going into 2015. Truthfully, he was pretty much off my radar, but it would be foolish to ignore what he did in Cleveland. He's not a complete WR, but he's obviously not a JAG, either. They brought him in to play a role and he'll play it. He looked really good before playing through injury (PCL). He had 28/394/2 in his first 5 games. I'm not saying Benjamin will get more targets than Tyrell, but he won't get benched. He's still going to get some targets. I know it's easy to write off guys who played poorly through injuries, but it's lazy and usually wrong to assume that's how they'll play when healthy.

That's not a real reason.

Things kind of fell right for Williams last year, but I think the NFL talent is there....if you expect some regression WR36 still seems fair....and I can't argue with the pick considering the group he is in at about that price...

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On 2/1/2017 at 6:28 AM, FUBAR said:

Admittedly, he's a higher risk pick. 

I did a :eek: at that pick myself....he needs to improve a bunch to take away carries from CJA and to keep fending off the Bibb's and Forsett's of the world...

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3 hours ago, Stephen Holloway said:

Leaving the Jets (even by getting cut) could be awesome for Marshall. He is 33 and his body should be declining, but speed goes first and Marshall does not need speed to be successful.

Marshall seems to have one foot out the door and in the analyst booth....but he is still gonna play this year and things should improve, no matter the situation as they can't get much worse.... 

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2 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

Things kind of fell right for Williams last year, but I think the NFL talent is there....if you expect some regression WR36 still seems fair....and I can't argue with the pick considering the group he is in at about that price...

I dunno. I see a LOT of guys I'd rather have than Williams. For instance, I know he disappeared after the first 4-5 weeks, but I'd much rather have Marvin Jones than Tyrell Williams for 2017 and Marvin went WR45 - almost 2 rounds later. The difference I see between them is about 30 targets. They both serve a similar role on their offense, so I'm taking the guy with more targets and/or less competition.

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