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2017 New York football Giants thread

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5 hours ago, Bracie Smathers said:

The possibility of the Giants taking a QB high next month is stronger than many believe. Telling quotes from the owners here.https://twitter.com/rvacchianosny/status/846858504216330241 

I sure hope they don't take a QB with any of their 1st 3 picks. They seem like a team that is close to making a Superbowl run, they need to add pieces that can help them win now. 

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On 3/29/2017 at 4:23 PM, Yenrub said:

I sure hope they don't take a QB with any of their 1st 3 picks. They seem like a team that is close to making a Superbowl run, they need to add pieces that can help them win now. 

Why do we need a QB we just signed Eli's successor ... Gino!!!!!!

 

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On 3/29/2017 at 4:23 PM, Yenrub said:

I sure hope they don't take a QB with any of their 1st 3 picks. They seem like a team that is close to making a Superbowl run, they need to add pieces that can help them win now. 

 

I'd argue QB is one of your weakest links. Other then LB of course. 

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On 4/1/2017 at 9:46 PM, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:

 

I'd argue QB is one of your weakest links. Other then LB of course. 

I can see that but I'm sure that none of the QB in this draft are going to be better than Eli in 2017.

Assuming that Marshall stays healthy Eli should do just fine this season. Eli seems to do well with the bigger targets

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I agree Eli isn't losing the starting job this year and maybe not for a couple/few years (depending on their other options), but QB is so important, Eli is old and on the downside of his career, and they have no current long term plans (Gene is not the answer).  A succession plan at QB would be a smart move if the right player falls to their pick.  Even if they don't use a day 1 or day 2 pick on a QB, I do think they take a developmental QB in the draft.

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Trade Eli for a 2017 2nd and 2018 1st  ...sign Cutler for this season and draft a QB either this year or next   

 

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not signing Hankins sux ... now the Giants are likely going to have to use a 2nd or 3rd rounder to back fill

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Like to get an OT , RB and TE in the 1st 3 rounds ...no particular order

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22 hours ago, monk said:

Like to get an OT , RB and TE in the 1st 3 rounds ...no particular order

You know that one of those 1st 3 picks is going to be a defensive player right? Heck I wouldn't be surprised if 2 of the 1st 3 were defensive players.

 

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Great read here: Ranking New York Giants' Biggest Needs in 2017 NFL Draft http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2703784

 

This is the draft to get another DT. I'd be excited to get two players at boring positions like DT and OT in the first two rounds, then draft unheralded upside guys at deep positions like TE and RB in the next two rounds. 

 

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16 hours ago, stuckinthemuck said:

Great read here: Ranking New York Giants' Biggest Needs in 2017 NFL Draft http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2703784

 

This is the draft to get another DT. I'd be excited to get two players at boring positions like DT and OT in the first two rounds, then draft unheralded upside guys at deep positions like TE and RB in the next two rounds. 

 

Remember early in the draft process (before the combine) there was a rumor that the Giants like the TE from South Alabama Gerald Everett 

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On 4/19/2017 at 2:48 PM, Yenrub said:

You know that one of those 1st 3 picks is going to be a defensive player right? Heck I wouldn't be surprised if 2 of the 1st 3 were defensive players.

 

Yes , I pointed that out in my previous post. Just saying what I'd like to see happen. 

I think their biggest needs are OT, TE, RB, LB (which they never have anyway) and now because the lost Hankins,  DT 

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59 minutes ago, Yenrub said:

Giants pick up 5th year option on OBJ - I think we all knew this was going to happen

 

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/04/giants_exercise_wr_odell_beckhams_5th-year_option.html#incart_river_index

"We are going to discuss that when the time gets closer," Reese said. "We will keep all of our options open with respect to that."

Uh-huh.

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Giants take TE Evan Engram Ole Miss with pick 1.23

Eli sure does have some weapons

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Typical Giant 1st round disappointment ... Foster, Cook , Ramcyzk,  all studs ... all available and the Giants decide to be gluttons for Eli and select a 4th WR option that happens to play TE.  Odell, Marshall, Shepherd and now Engram 

Giants need a TE who could block first not a 230 lb receiver who will probably not even get on the field because he cant block

Look at this list of nobody RBs ... Who are these guys???? And their LBs are even worse. They had an opportunity to get the top LB in the draft at 23 and f...ed it up as usual. Why does every Giant draft have to be such a let down???

26     Darkwa, Orleans RB      6-0 215      
25 Draughn, Shaun  RB 5-11 205      
48 Huesman, Jacob    RB 6-1 216      
28 Perkins, Paul RB 5-10     208               
34 Vereen, Shane RB 5-10 205      
35 Virgies, Daryl RB 5-11 217      
44 Winn, George RB 5-11 215      

 

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It's literally torture watching the Giant Draft ... 

With their 2nd pick of the 2017 Draft the New York Giants select generic Defensive Tackle Dalvin Tomlinson. Though he immediately becomes one of the ugliest dudes in the NFL.

Meanwhile exciting and very highly rated prospects Obi Melifonwu (S) and Zack Cunningham (LB) go with the next 2 picks ... would have loved either one of them 

 

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The Giants should offer a late round pick for Ingram.  Seems clear the Saints want to move on from him and he can use a change of scenery.

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11 hours ago, RC94 said:

The Giants should offer a late round pick for Ingram.  Seems clear the Saints want to move on from him and he can use a change of scenery.

That would be great ... I was thinking they should offer a 6th rounder to Cinci for Hill. There's teams with 2 and 3 solid RBs and we don't have any.

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There goes Perine ... the Giants last chance to salvage another terrible draft. And what makes it even more painful is that he is going to the Redskins. Good luck trying to stop that tank with our LBers

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3 hours ago, monk said:

There goes Perine ... the Giants last chance to salvage another terrible draft. And what makes it even more painful is that he is going to the Redskins. Good luck trying to stop that tank with our LBers

No worries Snacks and the new ugly dude won't let him get to the LBers 

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Giants sign 3 more UDFA WRs and another TE?  But only 1 LB with very very little upside? What does this team have against LBs ... they used to be our TradeMark 

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3 hours ago, monk said:

Giants sign 3 more UDFA WRs and another TE?  But only 1 LB with very very little upside? What does this team have against LBs ... they used to be our TradeMark 

It was their trademark when they ran a 3-4 defense. They are a 4-3 team now  

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They have had good linebackers as a 4-3 team, but it's usually been a MLB.  I can understand why they don't focus on linebackers, though.  Especially in this pass-heavy era of the NFL, they are listed as a 4-3 base defense but the NYG line up only 2 linebackers (or sometimes 1) most of the time.  Most teams have at least 3 WRs on the field more than 50% of the plays so most defenses wind up having an extra DB on the field most of the time.  The NYG seem to think that Goodson can be that 3 down MLB who helped define the defense when Pierce was on the team.  We will see.  I think the bigger mistake was neglecting the offensive line.  They should have gone with Ramczyk or Robinson instead of Engram IMO.

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I'm starting to feel like I'm the only one that liked the draft - with the caveat that I think it's silly to really try to 'grade' a draft for a few years but it is what we do here.

Anyway, I like the idea of taking a strength, the receiving corps, and making it stronger. I like the value the Giants got in the draft with most every pick from where they were mocked to go.  Sure, I would have loved the Giants to grab a bunch of stud OL but that wasn't the strength of the draft so they let the value come to them.

I can see every pick contributing this year except for Webb - but we don't want him to contribute this year.  That sounds like a solid draft to me.

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Got a feeling that with Marshall and Engram ... Shepherd is going to see a lot less come his way. Someone has to lose looks and they are talking about using Engram like a large slot WR. not to mention Vereen will be back after missing most of last season that's a whole lot of mouths to feed.

 

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6 hours ago, Avery said:

I'm starting to feel like I'm the only one that liked the draft - with the caveat that I think it's silly to really try to 'grade' a draft for a few years but it is what we do here.

Anyway, I like the idea of taking a strength, the receiving corps, and making it stronger. I like the value the Giants got in the draft with most every pick from where they were mocked to go.  Sure, I would have loved the Giants to grab a bunch of stud OL but that wasn't the strength of the draft so they let the value come to them.

I can see every pick contributing this year except for Webb - but we don't want him to contribute this year.  That sounds like a solid draft to me.

The only pick that I hate is Webb. Not that I hate the player I haven’t seen enough of him to have an opinion on him. The reason I don’t like the pick is because I think they are a contender but need their top 3 picks in the draft to contribute now AND in the future.

 I think it’s going to be fun to see how Engram is used. He looks like he is going to be a nightmare for teams that try to run the cover 2 against us.

 Tomlinson looks like a big Hank clone and should help make sure it’s tough to run against us

 Gallman was a bit of a surprise with Mack still on the board but he was a productive RB at Clemson so no real complaints

 Moss needs to get stronger but he has potential, hope he can come in and get enough snaps so that JPP and OV don’t have to play all game

 Bisnowaty seems like a tough kid, obviously he isn’t going to start this year but he will be given a chance to develop

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I found the part about Engram saying he primarily will play the Y and the U roles in the offense to be interesting.

Here is an old article describing what a U TE role is for offenses and some examples of teams that were utilizing them back in 2013. One of those teams is the Packers who McAdoo was the QB coach for at the time.

It makes sense to use Engram as a counter for cover two that is rolling a safety to OBJ. Force the mismatch coverage against the LB or get more one on one looks for OBJ.

The reason I didn't like the fit of a TE with the Giants is because I think their offensive tackles need help with a chipping TE, A TE who can help in pass protection. Rhett Ellison can do that pretty well, but if the Giants line up OBJ Ellison Engram then either Marshall or Shephard will be off the field.

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12 hours ago, Biabreakable said:

I found the part about Engram saying he primarily will play the Y and the U roles in the offense to be interesting.

Here is an old article describing what a U TE role is for offenses and some examples of teams that were utilizing them back in 2013. One of those teams is the Packers who McAdoo was the QB coach for at the time.

It makes sense to use Engram as a counter for cover two that is rolling a safety to OBJ. Force the mismatch coverage against the LB or get more one on one looks for OBJ.

The reason I didn't like the fit of a TE with the Giants is because I think their offensive tackles need help with a chipping TE, A TE who can help in pass protection. Rhett Ellison can do that pretty well, but if the Giants line up OBJ Ellison Engram then either Marshall or Shephard will be off the field.

The Giants were in 3 WR sets over 90% of the time last season. There is plenty of room for them to decrease that in favor of say a 2 TE set while still giving the 3 WR set efficient snaps.

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Hello Giants Fans. - Any objective opinions on Nassib as a QB who could be a useful starter one day? I just remember there being occasional good reports in the preseason and offseason. - Obviously just wondering as the Saints just brought him on board. Thanks.

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42 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Hello Giants Fans. - Any objective opinions on Nassib as a QB who could be a useful starter one day? I just remember there being occasional good reports in the preseason and offseason. - Obviously just wondering as the Saints just brought him on board. Thanks.

IMO he's not a starter caliber QB.  He had very little opportunity in NY since Eli has been indestructible, but when he has played he hasn't been that great.  I don't see him becoming a starter.

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59 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Hello Giants Fans. - Any objective opinions on Nassib as a QB who could be a useful starter one day? I just remember there being occasional good reports in the preseason and offseason. - Obviously just wondering as the Saints just brought him on board. Thanks.

Granted the Giants offensive line hasn’t been very good the last few years but I don’t recall him play particularly well in any preseason games. He does have good mobility and throws decent on the move but I never got the impression that he was going to be future in NY

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Wish the Giants would sign Deangelo Williams for this season.

Giants RBs suck and Deangelo has always been waayyy underrated ... even at 34 he'd be easily the best RB on the team.

 

 

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On 7/12/2017 at 2:40 PM, monk said:

Wish the Giants would sign Deangelo Williams for this season.

Giants RBs suck and Deangelo has always been waayyy underrated ... even at 34 he'd be easily the best RB on the team.

 

 

No faith in Perkins? 

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24 minutes ago, flysack said:

No faith in Perkins? 

No, I actually have more faith in Gallman than Perkins

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I thought Perkins look decent during the end of the '16 season....and with all the new offensive weapons outside the hashes, teams just can't stack the box with 7-8 defenders all the time to stop the run- I agree the offensive line is not by any stretch great, but if Eli and the boys can get on track To begin the season it will open up the floodgates for Perkins. I for one, am interested in what he can do. 

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This site has the Giants RBs ranked 29 of 32 ... I think that is being very very generous considering the teams behind them have better RBs than the ones listed Baltimore (Danny Woodhead) Washington (Samaje Parine) Green Bay (Ty Montgomery) 

Even the teams just ahead of them have much better backs plus other good RBs Jets (Forte and Bilal Powell) Colts (Gore and Turbin)

After looking at this I'm even more convinced that the Giants are easily the worst RB group ... so I cant understand why they wouldn't go after Deangelo Williams

http://newarena.com/nfl/ranking-all-32-starting-nfl-running-backs-from-worst-to-best/

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