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Giants signed CB Tony Lippett.

A fifth-round pick in 2015, Lippett had a promising start to his career and started 13 games in 2016, but he missed all of last season with an Achilles' tear. He struggled to recover from the injury this offseason and was waived by the Dolphins at final cuts. He is apparently healthy now, however, and the Giants need help at corner after trading Eli Apple.

6'3 and 192, but mediocre athletically. Seems to have talent thought, Giants trying to work on their depth issue.

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On 10/23/2018 at 5:06 PM, Jed said:

I thought everyone knew about Apple and his mom deal, but maybe that's just in the Giants bubble I'm in. ?‍♂️

As far as the trade, I'll take a 4th. Rumors he was going to get cut outright in the offseason. Just another Reese dud for the list.

Same here I can't believe everyone is so caught off guard by this comment ... Google Annie Apple or Eli Apple's mom and there are pages of incidents and quotes unrelated to her illness.

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On 10/24/2018 at 11:16 AM, Rubi said:

Draft picks and cap space. Keep 'em coming,I'll brush off this season. Sometimes it's interesting to watch a rebuild.:popcorn:

With all of the rebuilding going on and still more dumping possibly to come (Vernon and Jenkins maybe?) Giants are going to suck next year as well. 

So ... In my opinion they should not Draft a QB this coming Draft unless there is clearly a Franchise QB available ... I am not so sure that there is.

I would rather see them draft the best 2 offensive lineman they can land in the 2019 draft and land Tua Tagovailoa in the 2020 draft  

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9 hours ago, The Frankman said:

6'3 and 192, but mediocre athletically. Seems to have talent thought, Giants trying to work on their depth issue.

Seems like a good pickup if he can make it all the way back 

From his draft profile

"DRAFT ANALYSIS:

Lippett is an intriguing football player who started at both corner and wide receiver for Michigan State last season. He projects better at receiver where he uses his length and ball skills to make plays downfield. Don't count him out as a depth defensive back, either. --Mark Dulgerian"

"Lippett's production skyrocketed thanks to hard work, confidence and competitive fire. His willingness to accept the challenge at cornerback and play both ways is an example of why Lippett should succeed as a starter in the league."

 

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3 hours ago, monk said:

With all of the rebuilding going on and still more dumping possibly to come (Vernon and Jenkins maybe?) Giants are going to suck next year as well. 

So ... In my opinion they should not Draft a QB this coming Draft unless there is clearly a Franchise QB available ... I am not so sure that there is.

I would rather see them draft the best 2 offensive lineman they can land in the 2019 draft and land Tua Tagovailoa in the 2020 draft  

I agree with this line of thinking. The Houston Texans biggest mistake in their franchise history was drafting David Carr with no offensive line in front of him. He may not have been a great Qb, but he would have been better if he hadn't gotten shell shocked his first 4 seasons. Give your franchise QB a chance to succeed by putting good protection in front of him while he is learning. The Texans wasted the first 4 years of their existence, and basically started over when they hired Gary Kubiak.

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1 hour ago, Jello_Biafra said:

Any FA QBs next year? I'd rather them sign a vet to play QB and fix the OL through the draft.

Bridgewater. 

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23 hours ago, Boone22 said:

Bridgewater. 

This. If the Giants want a quick turnaround, the best options out there are Teddy Bridgewater and Colin Kaepernick. Obviously the latter is a longshot, but Teddy is a FA this offseason.

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1 hour ago, The Frankman said:

This. If the Giants want a quick turnaround, the best options out there are Teddy Bridgewater and Colin Kaepernick. Obviously the latter is a longshot, but Teddy is a FA this offseason.

If you would like to further disgrace the organization then Colin Krapernick is the answer and on the bright side surely rock bottom!

I could easily name 20 better options staring with the  3 that are already on the Giants 

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1 hour ago, dhockster said:

So does Shurmur keep his job for next season? He seems like he is in over his head.

Unsure. He's made some puzzling play calls recently. But this roster is mostly a dumpster fire at this point. Some of that is on Gettleman, but the stink of Reese is hard to get past. It is tough to do anything on offense with that OLine. The breakdowns are way too frequent. Its tough to see what the offense is capable of when Eli gets hit before he can complete his drop back. Those thinking Kyle will be able to do anything but get sacked are fooling themselves. There is plenty of blame to go around, and Shurmur should get his share.

 

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18 minutes ago, IrishTwinkie said:

Unsure. He's made some puzzling play calls recently. But this roster is mostly a dumpster fire at this point. Some of that is on Gettleman, but the stink of Reese is hard to get past. It is tough to do anything on offense with that OLine. The breakdowns are way too frequent. Its tough to see what the offense is capable of when Eli gets hit before he can complete his drop back. Those thinking Kyle will be able to do anything but get sacked are fooling themselves. There is plenty of blame to go around, and Shurmur should get his share.

 

While the OL is terrible they must try and see what Lauletta has sometime this season. They are going to have another high pick and Eli will be 38 when next season starts. At the very least Lauletta needs to start getting 2nd team reps in practice.

 

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2 hours ago, kodycutter said:

Yeah that was very ugly but take a look at the last play, freeze the clip at 1:48. If Eli could run just a little bit, there is NO ONE there. The LB has chased after Barkley. Any half way mobile QB would have gotten at least 7 yards 

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14 hours ago, Yenrub said:

While the OL is terrible they must try and see what Lauletta has sometime this season. They are going to have another high pick and Eli will be 38 when next season starts. At the very least Lauletta needs to start getting 2nd team reps in practice.

 

I agree that Lauletta needs practice reps. Webb needed them too. That was the biggest failure last year.

I am trying to temper any idea that QB is the root of this problem however. Teams can rush 4, keep 7 back and just wait. The 4 get home way too often. Even with a running QB, they won't be able to move the ball. Move in the pocket? Pffft, there is no pocket. The giants have arguably the best RB in the league (I am not making that argument)... and even he struggles cause the blocks simply aren't there. A QB is somehow going to be shiftier than Barkley? And it isn't like defenses are working really hard here, the sad thing is the giants haven't seen any pressure packages cause they just aren't needed. Defenses have many more cards to play. 

I'd be glad to criticize Eli, once he had some semblance of an Oline. Last I heard he was on pace for 55 sacks. That's untenable. Its also laughable that folks think that somehow 55 sacks is on him "holding the ball too long".   

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Oh my God you are KIDDING me with this crap!
 

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NJ Advance Media's Ron Zeitlinger reports Giants backup QB Kyle Lauletta was arrested after almost striking an officer with his vehicle Tuesday morning.

 

There are not many details, but Zeitlinger reports Lauletta failed to obey a police officer's direction while driving to the practice facility on Tuesday morning and in the process almost struck an officer with his car. This sounds minor, but it is another disappointing development for the cratering Giants. There was some hope Lauletta would take over as the starting quarterback following the bye, but that seems unlikely at this point.

Picture of the cop Lauletta almost hit.

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Giants claimed RG Jamon Brown off waivers from the Rams.

 

Brown started all 16 games at right guard for the Rams last season and was Pro Football Focus' No. 52 guard out of 80 qualifiers. He was then slapped with a two-game substance-abuse ban to start 2018 and lost his job to Austin Blythe. Brown was cut Tuesday to make room for DE Dante Fowler. Brown is a 25-year-old former third-rounder in the final year of his rookie deal. He's a decent flier for a Giants team that is obviously one of the most OL-needy in the league.

 

Like... this should've been the general plan once they saw the line not working out well in Game 1. Take a flier on every OL and try to rebuild as much as possible. If you hit on 1 or 2 it makes the revamp in 2019 that much easier.

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2 hours ago, The Frankman said:

 

Like... this should've been the general plan once they saw the line not working out well in Game 1. Take a flier on every OL and try to rebuild as much as possible. If you hit on 1 or 2 it makes the revamp in 2019 that much easier.

Yep ... never understood why why don't bring every oline in possible.  The stiffs that we have would be cut from almost every NFL roster. Only problem is this guy sounds like an Ereck Flowers clone 

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Coach Pat Shurmur said the Giants are preparing new RG Jamon Brown as a starter.

 

Brown started all 16 games for the Rams last season but lost his job this year to Austin Blythe and was cut last week only to be claimed by the Giants. (Multiple teams put in a claim.) Brown is a mauler at 6'4/340 who prefers to run block. If he starts, Brown will replace veteran RG John Greco.

It's stunning how bad Greco was (supposed to be a rotational backup). Giants last few weeks have been trying to get every cut OL aboce 6'3 or known as a mauler. Looking back they probably should've kept DJ Fluker.

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2 hours ago, The Frankman said:

It's stunning how bad Greco was (supposed to be a rotational backup). Giants last few weeks have been trying to get every cut OL aboce 6'3 or known as a mauler. Looking back they probably should've kept DJ Fluker.

Yeah, I'm actually pretty excited about this guy ... PFF had him rated above average last season https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/jamon-brown/9505

And I've read some good things about him ...like this https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2017/11/13/nfl-los-angeles-rams-jamon-brown-stats-offensive-line/

Looks like a huge upgrade over Greco and to the line in general ... It's a shame Halapio got injured, he was doing pretty good 

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50 minutes ago, monk said:

Looks like a huge upgrade over Greco and to the line in general ... It's a shame Halapio got injured, he was doing pretty good 

Yep, I know it's kinda a copout but I think the Halapio injury was the death knell of the offensive line. You never really had a lot of up-the-middle pressure in the Giants games before the; the only time that existed is the Dallas game where they ran stunts and Ereck Flowers didn't communicate who to block, which confused the whole line. The Houston game was a perfect example of this for the quarters Halapio played, Eli was hardly touched by Clowney/Watt and the offense was humming. Edge pressure is something Eli can kinda work away from if you know where it's coming (and Eli usually can); up the middle pressure on a QB who can't run? Eli's dead.

 

Greco has been unbelievably bad in his time. If Brown works out Giants may only need to get two O-Lineman instead of 3.

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https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/status/1061302864763674625

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Giants waived OL Patrick Omameh

 

Omameh signed a three-year, $15 million contract with the Giants back in March and began the year as the team's starting right guard. He was promptly benched at the end of October for poor play in favor of backup interior lineman Spencer Pulley. Omameh didn't perform like the upgrade he was all cracked up to be in training camp, either. New York could've saved $3 million by waiting until the offseason to waive Omameh, but the writing was on the wall once RG Jamon Brown got up to speed.

What a colossal bust... Solder has been shaky, Greco and Omameh turned out to be complete schwarbage.

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That game winning drive was a nice example of “what could be” with all the weapons – if the offensive line was providing protection.

Engram with a 31-yard reception

Odell drew a big PI (16 yards)

Barkley with a 23-yard reception

Shepard with the TD

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I made the post in the Eli thread and I'll wait for the PFF grades but Spencer Pulley and Jamon Brown looked very good tonight. Eli had time to move around and step up in the pocket; I can't stress how important it is for Eli not to get pressure up the middle. The edges at least Shurmur can gameplan rollouts around; Eli cannot escape up-the-middle pressure. Maybe the Giants have a find in Brown, who monk pointed out was not bad in the past. They're evaluating Pulley also and if they manage to fix their offensive line for next year it's a fix for Saquon and whomever their future QB is.

 

So.... when do we Giants fans complain about killing our draft position?

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12 hours ago, The Frankman said:

I made the post in the Eli thread and I'll wait for the PFF grades but Spencer Pulley and Jamon Brown looked very good tonight. Eli had time to move around and step up in the pocket; I can't stress how important it is for Eli not to get pressure up the middle. The edges at least Shurmur can gameplan rollouts around; Eli cannot escape up-the-middle pressure. Maybe the Giants have a find in Brown, who monk pointed out was not bad in the past. They're evaluating Pulley also and if they manage to fix their offensive line for next year it's a fix for Saquon and whomever their future QB is.

 

So.... when do we Giants fans complain about killing our draft position?

That's so funny, I came into this thread to see if Giant fans were happy that they won, or mad that they potentially worsened their draft position.

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Love these two vids... first shows even goober Eli can still act like a kid and the unbridled joy of Sheperd... man winning feels good, huhn?

Second is postgame locker room speech by Shurmur.

https://twitter.com/Giants/status/1062397180009504769

https://twitter.com/Giants/status/1062214085561921536

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So what are looking at to win the NFC Least....think 7 wins could do it?:P

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1 hour ago, Rubi said:

So what are looking at to win the NFC Least....think 7 wins could do it?:P

7 wins? OBVIOUSLY Giants gonna have a 10 game winning streak right to the Super Bowl! :excited:

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On 11/13/2018 at 11:57 AM, dhockster said:

That's so funny, I came into this thread to see if Giant fans were happy that they won, or mad that they potentially worsened their draft position.

I'm happy with the win if ....

They only win 1 or 2 more games this year or if they win the rest of them and make the playoffs ...nothing in between

 

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1 hour ago, The Frankman said:

Thanks for this ! 

I'm a little less optimistic after reading this though. Brown did not seem like the difference maker after all. Seems like It was really Solder and Wheeler stepping up their game vs a terrible Niners team.

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It's weird because Brown looked really solid, only getting blown up on the one play leading to Eli's sack. The way Booger was killing Solder I had thought he did poorly, especially since it appeared he was getting pushed back a lot. Pulley also graded poorly but again, I didn't see much up-the-middle pressure so I thought he did well.

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I think the Giants are the the closest version to the 2017 Rams - if they hire the right coach and draft the right QB.  Change like 2 OL and a couple of D players and they are competing for the division in 2019.

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18 minutes ago, The Dude said:

I think the Giants are the the closest version to the 2017 Rams - if they hire the right coach and draft the right QB.  Change like 2 OL and a couple of D players and they are competing for the division in 2019.

Is that all?

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12 hours ago, The Dude said:

I think the Giants are the the closest version to the 2017 Rams - if they hire the right coach and draft the right QB.  Change like 2 OL and a couple of D players and they are competing for the division in 2019.

 

11 hours ago, KingPrawn said:

Is that all?

Sheesh the overreactions... Giants have A lot of issues, depth being a secret issue and the lack of O-Line prominent. Let's not crown these dudes yet, they're still 3-7.

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I don't understand the fans worried about draft position. Finding the right QB is hard. There was a good graphic during the game. In the 240-mumble games Eli has started for the Giants, since 2004... The Bucs have had something like 15 different guys start. Their list was long and humbling. Folks act like getting the first pick is the sure fire way to get a franchise QB and everything is perfect. It doesn't work that way. I remember what life was like  prior to Eli. Not looking forward to it's return. Dave Brown anyone? I am happier trying to live in the moment, enjoys the wins I do get to watch now and let the future worry about itself. 

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All of these guys were drafted outside of the first round since 2010. Wilson and even Foles have won a SuperBowl ... No QB drafted in the 1st round since 2010 has done that 

  •  Russell Wilson, Wisconsin
  •  Derek Carr, Fresno State
  • Andy Dalton, TCU
  • Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
  • Kirk Cousins, Michigan State
  • Dak Prescott, Mississippi State
  • Nick Foles, Arizona
  • Tyrod Taylor, Virginia Tech
  • Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois

 

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3 hours ago, IrishTwinkie said:

I don't understand the fans worried about draft position. Finding the right QB is hard. There was a good graphic during the game. In the 240-mumble games Eli has started for the Giants, since 2004... The Bucs have had something like 15 different guys start. Their list was long and humbling. Folks act like getting the first pick is the sure fire way to get a franchise QB and everything is perfect. It doesn't work that way. I remember what life was like  prior to Eli. Not looking forward to it's return. Dave Brown anyone? I am happier trying to live in the moment, enjoys the wins I do get to watch now and let the future worry about itself. 

I remember Dave Brown and the six game winning streak to end the year he "engineered" to help the Giants finish 9-7.

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4 hours ago, The Frankman said:

I remember Dave Brown and the six game winning streak to end the year he "engineered" to help the Giants finish 9-7.

Brown was awesome at throwing the out for a pick six. He had a knack for it. It was uncanny and I just could never figure out why. On TV anyway. Back then, the Giants held training camp in Albany. My old stomping grounds. I tried to make a point to get back and attend a day of camp once a year, see some old friends etc. Camp here was great, you could get pretty darn close to where they were playing. I remember sitting behind the offense as they'd lineup and run the plays. When I saw Brown throw the out from that vantage point, it all became clear. I swore I could jump the fence, run over and catch the ball before it got to the receiver. He had no velocity on it. At all. It was eye opening.  The only thing that I wondered about then was how more weren't picked off.

I remember watching Eli in a similar situation vs the other QBs in camp. The in person eye test didn't fail there. From that vantage point, it was easy to see who was open, who wasn't, where the ball needed to be thrown, where it shouldn't, etc. I had a spot where I was maybe 50 feet away, it was great. Eli would more often hit the targets where the other QBs just couldn't do it at the same rate. The differences were stark.

It also became clear why Plaxico was so effective. I could never tell on TV, but he was a foot taller than anyone who tried to cover him. It was a no brainer to throw to the guy who towered above everyone else.

 

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3 hours ago, BigBlue_RI said:

Dave Brown is a dirty word. Don’t say it here. We all want to forget.

Saw that putz on the Pat Tillman "A Football Life". Why he was chosen to speak as rep of Cardinals is beyond me with all the other more likely choices.

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How about Kent Graham? Jessie Palmer? Danny Kanell?

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1 hour ago, The Frankman said:

How about Kent Graham? Jessie Palmer? Danny Kanell?

Like I said. I do not yearn for the end of the Eli era. I remember, all too well, what came before and fear what will come again. The shame of the front office will always be not putting a better oline in front of Eli in his waning years. 

 

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Worry about QB next year, or at least don't spend an early pick on one. Fix the team through the draft, sign Teddy B. for a couple of years.  We need an OL and some D. Those are the problem spots. Not Eli.

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It's weird seeing all the guys with Barkley and OBJr. on their teams wanting Eli gone. They think Barkley and Odell will be better with the Immortal Alex Tanney?

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