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Giants signed RB Javorius "Buck" Allen.

The Giants waived Jon Hilliman in a corresponding roster move. Allen figures to work as Saquon Barkley's backup for the team's Week 7 matchup against the Cardinals if Wayne Gallman (concussion) remains sidelined.

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Dallas 3-3

Eagles 3-3

NYGiants 2-4

1 game back, both teams ahead of them having trouble, Giants will get guys back over the next few weeks. 

9-7 should win this division. 

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11 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Dallas 3-3

Eagles 3-3

NYGiants 2-4

1 game back, both teams ahead of them having trouble, Giants will get guys back over the next few weeks. 

9-7 should win this division. 

Yup, these next few weeks leading into the bye are huge. Cardinals, Lions, Cowboys, Jets. If Giants are going to make the playoffs, goal here has to be 3-1 in that stretch. Put the team at 5-5 going into the second half of the season. Dolphins and Skins are wins, that's 7-5, from there you would have to steal 2 games from the Bears/Packers/Eagles/Eagles slate. Easier said than done, but that would be your path to playoffs for the Giants. 

The Eagles and Cowboys aren't that good. Giants defense has been getting progressively better week by week and they should only keep getting better as all these young kids have the game slow down a bit for them. What will be a defining factor going forward is if Saquon/Engram can get back and if they can actually participate in all the practices this week. Long week, extra time to prep, should allow for the offense to gel a bit going into Metlife Sunday against the Cards. 

My hope is with Saquon back, Shurmur starts to get a little more creative again, some more RPO and triple option type stuff. Jones doesn't have to be Lamar Jackson, but lets at least see if you establish some run with Saquon what he can do with some triple option plays where defenses have to be equally afraid of Saquon's legs, Jones legs and Jones throwing. Haven't really had a chance to see that much outside of the first half of the Tampa game, once Saquon went out the offense seemed to turn into more of a pocket offense with Jones making most of the runs on his own reads rather than being designed and schemed up. 

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Roster update: The Giants have signed WR Bennie Fowler and terminated the contract of LB Nate Stupar.

 

Wonder if this means an IR for Sterling Sheppard is incoming.

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2 hours ago, Khy said:

Yup, these next few weeks leading into the bye are huge. Cardinals, Lions, Cowboys, Jets. If Giants are going to make the playoffs, goal here has to be 3-1 in that stretch. Put the team at 5-5 going into the second half of the season. Dolphins and Skins are wins, that's 7-5, from there you would have to steal 2 games from the Bears/Packers/Eagles/Eagles slate. Easier said than done, but that would be your path to playoffs for the Giants. 

The Eagles and Cowboys aren't that good. Giants defense has been getting progressively better week by week and they should only keep getting better as all these young kids have the game slow down a bit for them. What will be a defining factor going forward is if Saquon/Engram can get back and if they can actually participate in all the practices this week. Long week, extra time to prep, should allow for the offense to gel a bit going into Metlife Sunday against the Cards. 

My hope is with Saquon back, Shurmur starts to get a little more creative again, some more RPO and triple option type stuff. Jones doesn't have to be Lamar Jackson, but lets at least see if you establish some run with Saquon what he can do with some triple option plays where defenses have to be equally afraid of Saquon's legs, Jones legs and Jones throwing. Haven't really had a chance to see that much outside of the first half of the Tampa game, once Saquon went out the offense seemed to turn into more of a pocket offense with Jones making most of the runs on his own reads rather than being designed and schemed up. 

Dallas would have to be 1 of the 3 wins ... so assuming they beat the Cards and Jets they would have to pull out a win vs Dallas ... or better yet win all 4

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4 minutes ago, monk said:

Dallas would have to be 1 of the 3 wins ... so assuming they beat the Cards and Jets they would have to pull out a win vs Dallas ... or better yet win all 4

Dallas really isn't that good. Week 1 they caught us with a team of basically either all rookies or guys in the first year of a system playing D. I think the defense has shown the past few weeks that they're progressing week to week and getting better. DeAndre Baker looked like a complete hack the first two games and you never even hear his name mentioned anymore (a good thing mind you). Carter/Golden/Ximines actually has the makings of a decent pass rush, especially with the push Dexter has been getting up the middle. 

I still think Jones is a huge upgrade for this offense going forward and I think we'll see that once Saquon is back behind the QB. Teams won't be able to sell out for the pass like they have been, should really open the entire offense up having Barry Sanders in the backfield rather than the second coming of Andre Williams. 

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14 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Dallas 3-3

Eagles 3-3

NYGiants 2-4

1 game back, both teams ahead of them having trouble, Giants will get guys back over the next few weeks. 

9-7 should win this division. 

Yep, it's the NFC Least again.   

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CB Sam Beal, on injured reserve, has been designated for return by the Giants and will begin practicing today. The earliest he can play is the Week 9 game vs. the Cowboys.

 

Interested to see him later this year.   IIRC he cost a 3rd rounder in 2018.

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3 hours ago, kodycutter said:

CB Sam Beal, on injured reserve, has been designated for return by the Giants and will begin practicing today. The earliest he can play is the Week 9 game vs. the Cowboys.

 

Interested to see him later this year.   IIRC he cost a 3rd rounder in 2018.

Thank GOD. Not only would he start and push Baker into nickel/dime coverages, but he'd take over as the "cover the tall WR" (he's 6'1) and push Jenkins into a rotation. He's legit good, he just has had little experience. I don't think he get activated Week 9, but Week 10 is guaranteed.

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17 hours ago, The Frankman said:

Thank GOD. Not only would he start and push Baker into nickel/dime coverages, but he'd take over as the "cover the tall WR" (he's 6'1) and push Jenkins into a rotation. He's legit good, he just has had little experience. I don't think he get activated Week 9, but Week 10 is guaranteed.

I don't think he is pushing Baker into nickel/dime coverages ... Baker pushed Beal out during preseaon and has more game experience then Beal. Baker has been playing much better the last 2-3 games.  

I think the Giants will look to move Jenkins to a contender for a pick if Beal can stay on the field. Than Hopefully get Love and Ballentine involved in nickle dime coverages 

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3 hours ago, monk said:

I don't think he is pushing Baker into nickel/dime coverages ... Baker pushed Beal out during preseaon and has more game experience then Beal. Baker has been playing much better the last 2-3 games.  

I think the Giants will look to move Jenkins to a contender for a pick if Beal can stay on the field. Than Hopefully get Love and Ballentine involved in nickle dime coverages 

Don't kid yourself on that. Instead of getting flamed by top WRs he now is getting torched by the Cole Beasleys, Olabsi Johnsons, and Jakobi Meyers of the world. If the Giants were smart they'd pull the reins back on Baker until he starts doing well on the 3rd string guys and occasionally rotate Baker in. DeAndre Baker is giving up the most Yards Per Target in the NFL right now (13.1).

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6 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

Don't kid yourself on that. Instead of getting flamed by top WRs he now is getting torched by the Cole Beasleys, Olabsi Johnsons, and Jakobi Meyers of the world. If the Giants were smart they'd pull the reins back on Baker until he starts doing well on the 3rd string guys and occasionally rotate Baker in. DeAndre Baker is giving up the most Yards Per Target in the NFL right now (13.1).

I'm hoping they see enough in Baker and Beal to move Janoris for a 3rd.

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1 minute ago, kodycutter said:

I'm hoping they see enough in Baker and Beal to move Janoris for a 3rd.

I mean I think that has the be the end result. Giant would have like 4 corners not including Grant Haley (Baker/Beal/Ballentine/Love). Considering they are in rebuiid mode it's time to move Jackrabbit.

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5 hours ago, kodycutter said:

I'm hoping they see enough in Baker and Beal to move Janoris for a 3rd.

i don't think they are getting a 3rd for Jenkins ... I was just hoping for a 5th. If they could get a 3rd they should make the trade now  

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Giants looked like absolute Garbage.

Oline was the worst it's been all season.

Danny Dimes is looking way too much like Eli ... He really looks like crap making horrible throws, cant hold on to the damn ball, and is only looking at 1 side of the field.   

Play calling was horrific ... Pocket was getting collapsed on every damn play but the Giants continued to do the same thing over and over ... Why not roll out to buy some time? It worked the couple of times that they did.  Giants continue to unsuccessfully try to run up the middle 

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Against a team in "our tier" - we looked bad.     Shurmur/Bettcher combo will not get us where we need to go.   Gettleman drafting looks alright but questionable on the FA signings to say the least.

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10 minutes ago, monk said:

Giants looked like absolute Garbage.

Oline was the worst it's been all season.

Danny Dimes is looking way too much like Eli ... He really looks like crap making horrible throws, cant hold on to the damn ball, and is only looking at 1 side of the field.   

Play calling was horrific ... Pocket was getting collapsed on every damn play but the Giants continued to do the same thing over and over ... Why not roll out to buy some time? It worked the couple of times that they did.  Giants continue to unsuccessfully try to run up the middle 

Much worse than Eli; he never had ball security issues this bad. But Jones hasn't looked good in awhile, it's the same issues plaguing him. He can't diagnose pressure at all and he's not going through progressions or is not trusted to go through them.

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14 minutes ago, monk said:

Giants looked like absolute Garbage.

Oline was the worst it's been all season.

Danny Dimes is looking way too much like Eli ... He really looks like crap making horrible throws, cant hold on to the damn ball, and is only looking at 1 side of the field.   

Play calling was horrific ... Pocket was getting collapsed on every damn play but the Giants continued to do the same thing over and over ... Why not roll out to buy some time? It worked the couple of times that they did.  Giants continue to unsuccessfully try to run up the middle 

🤣 Shurmur called too many rollouts with the non mobile Eli and now he doesn't call enough with the mobile DJ. 

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Just now, Yenrub said:

🤣 Shurmur called too many rollouts with the non mobile Eli and now he doesn't call enough with the mobile DJ. 

Because the Eli rollouts were mainly to roll him away from pressure. He probably thinks he doesn't need to do it that much with Jones, so he's cutting back on them.

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3 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

Because the Eli rollouts were mainly to roll him away from pressure. He probably thinks he doesn't need to do it that much with Jones, so he's cutting back on them.

The offensive line hasn’t changed any so I’m not sure why he would have that impression

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10 days to prepare for the powerhouse Arizona Cardinals and they go down 17-0.      How does that happen Mr. Shurmur?

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1 hour ago, wgoldsph said:

Danny Dimes was who we thought he was.

 

A bad pick.

Lol, too early for this call.  Haskins your guy?

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2 hours ago, kodycutter said:

Lol, too early for this call.  Haskins your guy?

Nope, thought every qb this draft was a turd in a punch bowl.

*edit - Murray has the best chance at a good, maybe great, early career but he's not built to hold up

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I really got the sense that Shurmur is in over his head this game. His insistence on challenging the PI calls is baffling. Unless it is Saints/Rams bad, the refs will NOT be overturning these PI calls. It is obvious and has been obvious for weeks. IE: If the miss is so bad as to dominate the press for weeks, sure toss the challenge flags. Otherwise, suck it up already. How many more times does he need to fail on this judgement before he learns?! And I don't even want to think about the draw play on 3 and forever knowing he was going for it on 4th day no matter what. Just plain stupid there. 

Ugh. This team has so many problems. 

 

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1 hour ago, IrishTwinkie said:

I really got the sense that Shurmur is in over his head this game. His insistence on challenging the PI calls is baffling. Unless it is Saints/Rams bad, the refs will NOT be overturning these PI calls. It is obvious and has been obvious for weeks. IE: If the miss is so bad as to dominate the press for weeks, sure toss the challenge flags. Otherwise, suck it up already. How many more times does he need to fail on this judgement before he learns?! And I don't even want to think about the draw play on 3 and forever knowing he was going for it on 4th day no matter what. Just plain stupid there. 

Ugh. This team has so many problems. 

 

I agree he seems to be in over his head. He should give up the play calling duties and work on his clock management.

Down 3 with 4 and half minutes left, why call timeout prior to Arizona punting? Save that timeout so that if you don’t do anything on the next drive (which they didn’t) you have the option to punt the ball and play defense.

The draw play made no sense. If they were going to run a draw, the time to do it would have been the play right before the 2 minute warning (after the poor decision to return the kick)

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3 hours ago, Yenrub said:

I agree he seems to be in over his head. He should give up the play calling duties and work on his clock management.

Down 3 with 4 and half minutes left, why call timeout prior to Arizona punting? Save that timeout so that if you don’t do anything on the next drive (which they didn’t) you have the option to punt the ball and play defense.

The draw play made no sense. If they were going to run a draw, the time to do it would have been the play right before the 2 minute warning (after the poor decision to return the kick)

Heck, I am reading the post-game stuff now. “It played out exactly how I would have hoped". Really dude? Giving the Cards the ball and letting them screw it up was your master plan? He is just digging the hole deeper. I was shaking my head after the game, this quote is just  unacceptable. Pure lunacy.

 

 

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Not liking what is developing with this coaching staff. From Shurmur on down. Slowly getting some good young talent but the coaching seems a mess. Tate was correct,the Giants made the Cardinals defense look like the 85 bears. Something sucks. The scheme,no adjustments,all of it. I don't see any improvement until this staff is sent packing.

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Another Bechter reunion guy. Maybe they can cover a RB or TE in the backfield.

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https://www.sny.tv/giants/news/daniel-jones-has-shown-flashes-of-brilliance-but-needs-to-cut-back-on-turnovers-if-giants-are-to-win/311231256/

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Jones is a rookie, and rookie quarterback struggle. He shows flashes of brilliance, but those can't overcome the things he continues to do wrong.

"I think I'm making progress in some areas," Jones said after the Giants' third straight loss, this time 27-21 to the Cards. "And I still need to improve a lot in others."

Yes he does, because right now he's turning into a turnover machine.

Jones, quite simply, takes far too many chances, trying to throw balls into incredibly tight windows. He's either not seeing the defenders, or just assumes he's good enough to squeeze the ball in. He also seems reluctant to throw the ball away, which leads to him holding it too long. And his offensive line just isn't good enough for him to do that.

And all that has led to this: Six fumbles, five lost, in five games, plus seven interceptions giving him 12 turnovers in all. That too is not surprising for a rookie quarterback. Alarmingly, though, his penchant for turnovers was one of the constant criticisms even the scouts who liked him had before the NFL draft.

Regardless, 12 turnovers in five starts is a pretty significant deal. On Sunday, that was the difference between him and Kyler Murray, the Cardinals rookie quarterback and No. 1 overall pick. Jones looked like the better, more NFL-ready quarterback for most of the game, completing 22 of 35 passes for 223 yards while Murray went 14 of 21 for 104. But Murray didn't turn the ball over. Jones turned it over three times.

And as Tom Coughlin used to point out over and over and over again: Turnovers, more than anything else, make the biggest difference in NFL games.

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Over the last 4 weeks he's been the exact same guy he was in his NFL.com Combine Scouting Report.

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CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports the Browns are interested in Giants OT Nate Solder if Redskins OT Trent Williams is unavailable.

The Browns have made it public that they are thinking of replacing current LT Greg Robinson who needs to play more consistent football per GM John Dorsey. Among the 55 offensive tackles with at least 300 snaps this season, Robinson ranks 23rd in PFF's overall grade, while Solder ranks 32nd. With the Giants out of playoff contention, it wouldn't be a terrible idea for New York to deal Solder before the trade deadline. The 31-year-old is in Year 2 of a four-year, $62 million contract ($34.8 million guaranteed).

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I'm guessing you want them to trade Solder.  Just a guess, though.

I agree.  If they have an opportunity to get value for him and get out of that contract at the same time, they should definitely take it.

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On 10/22/2019 at 9:03 PM, The Frankman said:

That is amazingly accurate for both strengths and weaknesses. 

The only strengths mentioned that I am not seeing are 

  • Adjusts pre-snap plan to blitz and exploits hot-read opportunities ... I think this has been the biggest offensive problem over the past couple of weeks. Neither Jones or Shurmer are adjusting to pressure... vs. Arizona was like watching ground hog day. 
  • Displays feel for pressure off the edge ... Jones doesn't have a clue when pressured off the edge

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On 10/23/2019 at 12:41 AM, The Frankman said:

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Browns are such a bad organization that we could end up with Robinson (an improvement of Soldier),  a 3rd-4th round pick, and dump salary. This would be amazing ... So Yess!! What are they waiting for DO IT !!!!!  

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Shurmur is a mess !  How do they not challenge either of those PI plays?  What do you have to lose at that point?

And please stop trying to run the ball up the middle ...it hasn't worked all year which is amazing considering their 3 best lineman are in the middle.

I guess the Browns will change their mind about about Soldier after this week 

 

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Draft Order Top 10

1. CIN 0-8
2. MIA 0-6 [0-7 if they lose to PIT]
3. WAS 1-7
4. ATL 1-7
5. NYJ 1-6
6. NYG 2-6
7. DEN 2-6
8. CLE 2-5
9. TB 2-5
10. MIA (via PIT) 2-4 

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9 minutes ago, kodycutter said:

Leonard Williams traded to NYG.   3rd this year and 5th in 2021.

Why? Are they converting him to LT or ILB ??

He was considered possibly the best player in the draft and then a bust for the Jets  ...  I'm glad to have him but do we really need a DT???????

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1 hour ago, kodycutter said:

Leonard Williams traded to NYG.   3rd this year and 5th in 2021.

Are the Giants planning on moving to a 4-3? Are they going to trade Tomlinson or BJ Hill? Why is a team that is 2-6 trading away draft picks for a guy who will be a free agent in 8 games?

Someone please make it make sense

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26 minutes ago, Yenrub said:

Are the Giants planning on moving to a 4-3? Are they going to trade Tomlinson or BJ Hill? Why is a team that is 2-6 trading away draft picks for a guy who will be a free agent in 8 games?

Someone please make it make sense

I think Williams is a 3-4 DE, was playing out of position for the Jets.  Not sure I would be a buyer at 2-6 but we should recoup a ~3rd round comp pick, albeit at the end of the round rather than the top, for L. Collins this year.   

Definitely a gamble here, hopefully we can recoup some picks with Jenkins and/or Ogletree going by Tuesday.

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So is it a race in New York to see who gets fired first, Gase or Shurmur? It amazes me not only that these guys got a first chance at being a head coach, but both got a second chance, and in the biggest media market at that! Neither seem to be a fit personality wise to be able to handle the stress of the Big Apple (besides both being lousy coaches).

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I think Shurmur goes first.

I hope Shurmur goes first.

I want Shurmur to go first.

I want Shurmur to go now.

With his staff.

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Gettelmen traded away 3 picks so that he could draft Deandre Baker

second-round pick at No. 37,

a fourth-rounder (No. 132)

and a fifth-round pick (No. 142).

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16 hours ago, Yenrub said:

Gettelmen traded away 3 picks so that he could draft Deandre Baker

second-round pick at No. 37,

a fourth-rounder (No. 132)

and a fifth-round pick (No. 142).

Yeah ... Baker's getting torched so badly that it's hard to imagine he will ever be worth the pick. He was highly rated coming out of college and most draft analysis seemed to love the pick 

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