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I will typically look to unload RBs before their age 29 season. Sometimes that bites you (ADP a few years ago), but more often than not, it's a good all, IMO. Bell is a different case though, his running style is likely to render him less effective sooner than other RBs. Look at his rookie year, before he lost the weight; his running style wasn't AS effective. I could see his stop/start style becoming less effective earlier than a "normal" RB.
Bell and Johnson are around 2 months apart in age, so they are essentially the same age.BigSteelThrill said:
I don't want this to be an AC thread, but, like I said before, It would have to be a sell high. A top WR (Beckham, Evans, Brown, Jones, Green, maybe Jordy) and a 2nd-tier type RB (Howard, Ajayi, Hyde, etc) for Bell and maybe a lesser WR.
This is a valid point. Won my oldest league (keeper, not dynasty) this year for the first time in a while, & it was the first year in about 5 years where I didn't make a single trade.
I think it depends on WHY he only has 908 career carries.BigSteelThrill said:
I agree that his style prevents him from taking a lot of "big" hits at the LOS, he looks to initiate contact at the end of his runs, so I think that mitigates any "help" in this area. At the same time, my main point/question still remains (even though the consensus seems to be that we have another year or 2 before it becomes a concern); when he loses that initial burst, his ability to explode through an opening after almost standing still behind the line will become lessened & his running style will be less effective.
The "dummy" factor you speak of is one of the reasons I was pondering this this last week. I'm not necessarily calling him a dummy, but two strikes is two strikes, and I think the next violation would be 10 games. Overcoming 2 games, or 3 games, especially at the beginning of a season is do-able, but 10 games, especially if it comes mid-season, could be a killer.
Per the negotiation on his last suspension, it did not count as a violation of the Policy and did not advance him to the next stage in the Program. Next violation would still be 4 games.
If you're essentially swapping productive assets, okay. I wouldn't give brown for bell without getting better stuff back than I add, but that's a ppr league with 1-2 rb but 3-5 wr starting.
And this is just another red flag to me. The "negotiation" over what the next pot violation will mean for Bell. It's not even like anyone is expecting this last suspension to be.... well, his last pot suspension. For a guy entering a contract year it kind of makes him look like a guy that is a dummy to me. A lot of phases of your game can be fixed but dummy isn't one. What happens when he really starts getting paid the big $ if he couldn't control his pot consumption when he was trying to get that big contract? As usual goodell makes the nfl policy as clear as mud so maybe it won't mean anything. It's impossible to tell what will happen with goodell enforcing the rules with his magic 8-ball.
They weren't negotiating his next punishment, that's a result of the stipulation that he didn't advance to the next phase of the program. It's progressively longer and more difficult to exit the program the further one advances, so of course they are going to negotiate that.
I agree that Bells playing style should help him prolong his career rather than the other way around,
But the phase of the program he is in only matters because it effects his next punishment.
I guess I just never understood "negotiating" punishment for breaking the rules in the first place. I guess we should negotiate some holding plays will only be a three yard penalty while others will be an eight yard penalty? None of this is Bells fault of course, it just is ridiculous that different rules apply to different players and breaking rules is "negotiable" in the modern goodelled NFL.
Actually the player who's style he's most comparable to imo, Marcus Allen, aged very well. Allen didn't really see consistent heavy workloads so maybe that helped prolong his career but I don't see Bell's style as being a detriment.
Me too, but I didn't want to start a debate of what ifHankmoody said:
. However a lot has to do with his QB situation as well. Ben uses him a lot. A new QB may not or may, who knows. If PIT strikes out at QB teams can focus on RB. Hard to see a QB failing with those weapons though.
So Bell should fire his agent for helping him then??BoltBacker said:
I don't know if I'd really agree with that. I mean a guy like Jamaal Charles I passed on for Bell in my draft. Yeah, common sense right? I believe Draft Dominator was telling me to take Charles. I can't be sure about that though. I dropped Charles down because of his injury and injury history. Same with Foster- he's been completely off my draft board because of his injuries.
well since this is a "sell high" thread I think we're talking dynasty. In redraft you'd know about any suspension prior to the season. It's pretty rare that guys get busted in-season for recreational drugs.
I would agree. I wouldn't change what I said above... Look at Doug Martin. He lost a lot of guaranteed money since he tested positive. PIT will undoubtedly protect themselves from paying Bell top dollar and then having him suspended for an entire season. There's no motivator like money, and if Bell stands to lose tens of millions of dollars by being a knucklehead then he is likely going to keep his head straight. If not, then he deserves to lose the money and people can come in here and quote this and tell me "I told you so."
I actually agree that his risk of suspension isn't all that high. Maybe I'm being naïve but it just doesn't feel like a Gordon/Blackmon situation with Bell - maybe because the last suspension was because of a missed test. I was just pointing out that the suspension risk is a lot more real when discussing dynasty versus redraft for fairly obvious reasons.
Tell Ricky Williams that. Tell Josh Gordon. Look at what Manziel has done to himself. History says that a drug issue can be tough to overcome and money lost just may not be enough.
You mean, like if he got suspended for another drug related offense in a contract year?
... or pick a Cowboy defensive player. Sheldon Richardson. Aldon Smith. Maybe none of these guys realized they were going to lose $.
