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On 6/30/2017 at 7:36 AM, ChicagoArch said:

I haven't seen much talk about Jon Bostic. He's on Indy now and he and Spence have been getting starters reps in OTAs and Minicamps. He's been getting some positive buzz. Former 2nd round draft pick who has dealt with a bunch of injuries. I picked him up off of waivers last week. Cheap pickup with decent upside who can be dropped early if he gets hurt again or loses the starting spot to Edwin Jackson or Antonio Morrison.

 

I did the same.  Minimum bid for a guy getting glowing reports right now.  I'm a huge Spence fan but that injury early on seemed to really impact him for good.  This looks like a reasonable roll of the dice.

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13 hours ago, Flying Elvis said:

What value does Kiko hold? Most news has him at wlb so his value tanks, correct? 

 

I don't think it does. I think he's still a 3 down LB, you want his speed on the field on passing downs. As has been pointed out, Wright and Wagner manage to both do well in Seattle at MLB and WLB.

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14 hours ago, Flying Elvis said:

What value does Kiko hold? Most news has him at wlb so his value tanks, correct? 

 

Not at all.  There are plenty of productive WILL in the league.  Barron, Telvin Smith, Thomas Davis, Lavonte David just to name a few.  The key is playing 3 downs and actually being good.

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Well I suppose he could, but that's not about playing WILL per se, just like Ellerbee's concerns aren't about playing WILL.  If the guy has injury problems or skill issues it won't matter where he lines up, he'll struggle to score.  But the WILL position in general puts playmakers in a position to make plays.  It's a bit unique in that it takes a more specific skillset than some other LB spots do.  It's an "off ball" position so starts a few steps from the line of scrimmage and isn't always accounted for in the blocking scheme.  The best WILL are those that can quickly diagnose the play, have the speed to get to the ball from farther away, and can sift through "trash" - various OL/DL/LB that aren't really schemed to stop the WILL, but are just "in the way" of the ball carrier - to get to the ball quickly.

Think of how guys try to defend Steph Curry - they stay back, chase him around the court, run through screens and picks, and when the ball is passed to him, they rush to get into his face.  That's a WILL. 

Again, the key, as with nearly all LB, is if he's on the field for passing downs.  If so he can get a lot of RB or TE coverage assignments or even just dropping into zone and cleaning up anything that happens around him.  Even if that only gets two tackles per game, that's an additional 4 PPG.  It takes a guy from an 11.0 per game  "two down thumper" to a 15.0 LB1. 

*standard disclaimer - there is no universal concept defensively, they are all different, so one team's WILL might have very different skills, assignments, and results than another's depending on each team's coaching philosophy.

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The KC ILB depth chart is getting as muddy as OAK's and Indy's. They resigned Josh Mauga. He would've started last year if not for injury. If you've been holding onto Ramik Wilson or Justin March-Lillard, you may need to grab Mauga to protect your investment. So I'm now holding Wilson, Mauga and Eligwe. That's not too many KC Lbs, I tell myself...

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Heading into the all-important 3rd preseason game, how are things looking for that Saints LB core? Roto now has Teo listed as the starting ILB with Anthony as WLB and Klein as SLB, but the blurb on Anzalone is that he's likely to win the starting WLB spot over Anthony. If Klein sticks at SLB is he worth owning at all? Is this all still as muddy as the Mississippi?

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1 hour ago, Flying Elvis said:

Heading into the all-important 3rd preseason game, how are things looking for that Saints LB core? Roto now has Teo listed as the starting ILB with Anthony as WLB and Klein as SLB, but the blurb on Anzalone is that he's likely to win the starting WLB spot over Anthony. If Klein sticks at SLB is he worth owning at all? Is this all still as muddy as the Mississippi?

Well, then this blurb popped through the news cycle at MFL:

"(RotoWire) Klein made six tackles (four solo) and notched a quarterback hit and a half sack in Sunday's preseason game against the Chargers. According to Mike Triplett of ESPN.com, Klein looks like a lock to start at linebacker for the Saints in Week 1.

Analysis: Klein signed a three-year, $15 million deal on the first day of free agency, as the Saints lured the four-year veteran away from the rival Panthers. The 6-foot-1, 240-pound linebacker was terrific in his second preseason game in New Orleans and has taken over as the commanding "quarterback" of the Saints' defense, playing a dual role as a strong-side linebacker in base defense and the middle linebacker on passing downs. While Klein has never recorded more that 55 tackles in a season, the former fifth-round draft pick looks like a cinch to surpass his career highs as long as he stays healthy."

nevermind on that question about Klein's value.... lol

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I don't know if Teo got more playing time, the start etc. because it was against his old team, but you could see the potential if he plays with the same motivation as he did last night. He could be a great pick up.   7 solos and a sack.   Klein was all over the field as well.  He will be a SLB, but in on 3rd downs.  Anthony did not dress, so we did not see how he competes with Anzalone, but the steady but non spectacular C. Robertson split the reps with Anzalone.   To be honest if the season started today I think Robertson would be playing the WLB spot. 

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The Saints opened in nickel and it was all Klein and Anzalone.  Vaccaro played in the box all night and Marcus Williams and Vonn Bell played twin tower based on offensive alignment.

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El bumpo for 2019.  I need contributions, can't keep up on all this stuff myself any more.  Let me know your thoughts, corrections, and contributions in any form.

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Cardinals hired Vance Joseph...

Keim also announced Wednesday that the defense would switch back to a 3-4 from the 4-3 they ran under former head coach Steve Wilks. Kingsbury added that he wanted the defense to have an "attacking style."

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13 hours ago, JoeSteeler said:

Cardinals hired Vance Joseph...

Keim also announced Wednesday that the defense would switch back to a 3-4 from the 4-3 they ran under former head coach Steve Wilks. Kingsbury added that he wanted the defense to have an "attacking style."

kills any value for Ndekimche likely next year. Swearinger is an unknown now, too.

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Tampa seems to be a question mark with the biggest question being JPP. Bowles has recently ran 3-4 defenses which would likely make JPP a linebacker, but he has ran 4-3s in the distant past. Everything I’ve read says what he’ll run is a work in progress and he’ll decide after analyzing the teams strengths. 

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20 hours ago, fruity pebbles said:

Gregg Williams to the Jets which will switch them to a 4-3.

Here's our first one to jump on - who benefits from IDP here?  I don't know their edge guys, who's going to make the switch to DE? 

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On 1/13/2019 at 9:36 AM, JoeSteeler said:

Cardinals hired Vance Joseph...

Keim also announced Wednesday that the defense would switch back to a 3-4 from the 4-3 they ran under former head coach Steve Wilks. Kingsbury added that he wanted the defense to have an "attacking style."

https://dynastyleaguefootball.com/2019/01/15/the-idp-impact-of-todd-bowles-to-the-buccaneers/

I don't know if this is behind a paywall since I'm a member so I won't post the body of the article, but the gist is as expected - any value the edge guys had evaporates with them going to LB.  Big loss with a top 5 DE in JPP and any breakout opportunity you were stashing Spence for is gone. 

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On 1/13/2019 at 10:39 PM, saintfool said:

kills any value for Ndekimche likely next year. Swearinger is an unknown now, too.

Nkemdichi's play has killed his value already.  However, those those buying the "eventually" line, he seems like the kind of athletic profile that can be the rare 3-4 DE success - what's your thought process here?

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4 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

Here's our first one to jump on - who benefits from IDP here?  I don't know their edge guys, who's going to make the switch to DE? 

Any chance this could give Leonard Williams the coveted DT designation?  That’s the one potential bright spot I could see here.

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4 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

Here's our first one to jump on - who benefits from IDP here?  I don't know their edge guys, who's going to make the switch to DE? 

According to this article, they will have many new starters https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/16/how-gregg-williams-4-3-scheme-will-affects-jets-defense/

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16 hours ago, Arodin said:

Any chance this could give Leonard Williams the coveted DT designation?  That’s the one potential bright spot I could see here.

Getting a DT designation in a 4-3 by itself isn't the holy grail because those guys are rarely playing any type of outside technique and either have to 2-gap effectively or be very disruptive guys.  Plenty do, but the designation itself isn't the path to gold.  The biggie is the 3-4 guy playing 5T most of the time so he gets outside alignment, that's an easier path to rack up points.  Think Aaron Donald.  He's actually a DT on Roto right now.  Not sure why he didn't carry that into MFL, but his 13.3 PPG would have been absurd at DT.

Don't get me wrong, I'd always rather any given guy get the DT tag if I own them.  But getting outside alignment opportunities is how the freebie points really stack up.

But this is kind of what I'm looking for from homers.  Can Williams be dominant inside?  His production has been very average the last two years, and even a DT designation wouldn't do much for him - 6.62 PPG goes from DE42 to DT17 - solid, but not going to win you anything.

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