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The Vikings do have CJ Ham who can play TE so I guess that is the 4th one.
Blowing smoke the last month saying it was no big deal. Neck injury is nothing to fool around with, but IR means he’s not close to playing, obviously. Sucks....
He just got an extension. Not going anywhere.Zimmer's philosophy is not working. He has to go.
Well, get used to 7-9 or 9-7 for the next few years.He just got an extension. Not going anywhere.Zimmer's philosophy is not working. He has to go.
The first drive was very good.. Mix of runs and Cousins rolling out, which has always been his strength....so I thought they had finally learned that and the play calling had changed..Awful. No idea why you don’t bracket Adams and make one of their other mediocre receiving options beat you. It felt like Rodgers and Adams were out there all ho hum practicing their craft.
Also can’t stand our archaic offense.
Packers fan here you're being generous calling the other Packers WR's mediocre. That "coverage" on Adams was terrible. Another huge game plan flaw was the Packers were awful covering TE's last year, it was brutal. How Irv Smith wasn't more involved is crazy to me. 1 target? You guys will be fine assuming Hunter comes back full strength.Awful. No idea why you don’t bracket Adams and make one of their other mediocre receiving options beat you. It felt like Rodgers and Adams were out there all ho hum practicing their craft.
Also can’t stand our archaic offense.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but what are they supposed to do with the OL? Above average offensive lineman are just as difficult to land as franchise quarterbacks. If you don’t have a top 10 pick, you are not getting a stud offensive lineman. Considering they have no cap space, if there were any quality available, they wouldn’t of been able to sign them anyways.The off season moves are coming back to haunt this team.. Did nothing to improve the OL.. Decided to go with all Young at CB... Had A good signing of Michael Pierce only to have him opt out due to Covid and then lose Hunter to injury.
Oh yea, might have been a headache at times, but they will miss Diggs until the Young Wr's can take pressure off Theilen...
Add in Kirk looking like a rookie and this is looking to be a long.... LONG... Season..
JMHO, it’s not sudden. If you have the stomach for it, rewatch 2019 vs Bears/Green Bay/49ers. This has been and will be what happens when the Vikes play teams with stronger lines. Problem is. as other teams restock lines while the Vikes idle, the pool of teams they can compete against is shrinking.I can’t even watch. How did they get so bad, so fast? Nothing is working
They found money to sign the new DE so they could have found it for OL.I’m not saying you’re wrong, but what are they supposed to do with the OL? Above average offensive lineman are just as difficult to land as franchise quarterbacks. If you don’t have a top 10 pick, you are not getting a stud offensive lineman. Considering they have no cap space, if there were any quality available, they wouldn’t of been able to sign them anyways.
This is on Zimmer. He is stuck in the 90s style of play and we just don't have the personell to play like that. He want's to play old school ball control ground and pound and then play good defense. He wants to win 17 - 13. It's not possible with one of the worst OL in the NFL, yet every week it's the same bull####. He is a dinosaur and either refuses to or can't change.Just wondering whether play calling has something to do with it. A lot of teams establish the pass to set up the run. Not the Vikes.
Thanks for your input. I'm a ND guy and a Vikes fan from forever as are most of N Dakotans. This is how we make it through the winter. Going to be a long winter the way the Vikes are playing.This is on Zimmer. He is stuck in the 90s style of play and we just don't have the personell to play like that. He want's to play old school ball control ground and pound and then play good defense. He wants to win 17 - 13. It's not possible with one of the worst OL in the NFL, yet every week it's the same bull####. He is a dinosaur and either refuses to or can't change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fmq9JvqKFY
Zimmer handed off all Offensive play calling to Kubiac so I'd say it is all on him, not Zimmer, for the failures on the Offense.This is on Zimmer. He is stuck in the 90s style of play and we just don't have the personell to play like that. He want's to play old school ball control ground and pound and then play good defense. He wants to win 17 - 13. It's not possible with one of the worst OL in the NFL, yet every week it's the same bull####. He is a dinosaur and either refuses to or can't change.Just wondering whether play calling has something to do with it. A lot of teams establish the pass to set up the run. Not the Vikes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fmq9JvqKFY
Count me in fans that hate.Over our last two (full) seasons, we are 15-1-1 against teams who finished the season below .500.
One group of fans is happy with this record. Beating the teams we should beat indicates Zimmer is a good coach, and it keeps us in the playoff hunt consistently.
But... Over our last two seasons, we are 1-2 against teams who finished at .500, and 3-10 against teams who finished above .500.
Another group of fans is unhappy with this record because even though we can make the playoffs, we've been outmatched once we get there.
Our winning percentage against winning teams over the two seasons leading up to our playoff game against New Orleans was .200. That implied we had a 0.16% (1 in 625) chance of winning the Super bowl, even after making the playoffs.
We win a lot of games, which some fans like. We are not true contenders, which some fans hate.
Welcome to our thread of sorrow.shadrap said:Thanks for your input. I'm a ND guy and a Vikes fan from forever as are most of N Dakotans. This is how we make it through the winter. Going to be a long winter the way the Vikes are playing.
Probably a more drastic split than usual, but it’s hard to beat the better teams, obviously. I’m kind of indifferent on Zimmer, the bigger issue is we overpaid a bunch of halfway decent players and can’t really get better. The Indy game was just like the SF playoff game- destroyed on both lines and never in the game. 0-2 is one thing, but the way they lost is pretty disheartening. I’m not sure how they solve it without starting over but it’s hard to see them winning more than a few games this year, in my opinion.....Stole this from reddit, but it sums up how I feel about Zimmer.
Count me in fans that hate.
Yea, he is a really good guy from all reports. He comes back every summer to fish for walleye in Lake Sakakawea. He also does a small football camp for kids.Welcome to our thread of sorrow.
Out of curiosity are you a Wentz fan? I know Arif Hasan (also from ND) hates Wentz.
Well, on the grass is only greener side, sure they made do with what they had and won the game, but let's not get carried away. The RBs only averaged 3.5 per carry. There were several times when runs got blown up in the backfield for a big loss. They also schemed to Carr's advantages to get the ball out of his hands quickly.Sort of depressing to see the Raiders lose 3/5 of its OL (which is highest paid in NFL) and continue to get good run block push and pass protection, with backups, against the Saints DL. Hell, I'd settle for the Raiders backups at this point.
True. It was nice seeing Cook go off and Jefferson finally getting involved.At least they gave us some entertainment today. I was expecting a blowout loss and didn’t plan on watching. I ended up tuning in for the 2nd half and saw some entertaining football for the first time this season
Treadwell has 701 career receiving yards. Jefferson could pretty easily surpass that in his rookie season.True. It was nice seeing Cook go off and Jefferson finally getting involved.
I know it's not fact, but I feel like Jefferson after one big game already has more career yards than Treadwell.
Almost like they don't even practice for those moments..-arcK- said:That may very well be the most inept 2 minute drill I've ever seen.
It was the best game for them this year.. Then again look at what we are comparing it tosports_fan said:At least they gave us some entertainment today. I was expecting a blowout loss and didn’t plan on watching. I ended up tuning in for the 2nd half and saw some entertaining football for the first time this season
Hopefully word doesn't get out that you only need 3 pass rushers against this line.-arcK- said:That may very well be the most inept 2 minute drill I've ever seen.
The word has been out for some time now.Hopefully word doesn't get out that you only need 3 pass rushers against this line.
Yup, just being snarky.The word has been out for some time now.
This year's squad has the same problems that last year's did (and the one that was REALLY exposed in the playoff loss) - they're terribly soft up the middle of both lines and not athletic/fast enough (except for Harrison Smith) in the defensive backfield.
If anyone thinks it's not scheme at this point, go watch the Colts. Rhodes is playing like the best QB in the game. He's rated #1 by PFF too. I think Zimmer's time as a defensive guru is over. He hasn't adapted to the modern game and if our D-line doesn't get pressure with 4(which we haven't all year so far) then our CBs are ####ed.Yup, just being snarky.
I'm skeptical that issues with our DBs are physical. I think it is just a dumb scheme/system that relies on immediate QB pressure, and the biggest reward is an incomplete pass that happens to hit a CB in the arm. If you don;t get immediate pressure, a CB just starts looking silly with no idea what is going on. You see Xavier Rhodes doing a pick 6 yesterday, and saw the same thing with Jaire Alexander jumping a couple routes after reading Brees' eyes. You'll never see that from a Vikes CB, because they are supposed to keep their eyes on the WR, and not the ball/QB. I looked at NFL reference and was unsurprised to see 1 INT was the most by any Vikes CB in 2019, and I think 2 was most in 2018. Almost all INTs from the Vikes come from safety. I hate the scheme, because a QB should be afraid of throwing a pick. It seems like a refinement to the Zimmer defense over the past 2 years, and its a bad one.
Noted, but I'll trust my eyes. I think his secondary scheme has morphed. I would have sworn it was well reported in 2018 that he added secondary wrinkles that could not be executed by players.I disagree with a lot of what many of you are saying.
Zimmer scheme is at fault now? The same scheme that has consistently produced defenses that were top 5 in many important categories. How did Zimmer manage to do that if he is clueless and the game has passed him by?
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