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QB Patrick Mahomes II, KC (3 Viewers)
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
They did have a difficult schedule. And many of the easier games were still against teams with good defenses. No chance Reid isn’t back next season even if they get ousted in the first round IMO.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
yeah you cannot mess with this combo right now...lets see how they address the RB spot next year too....
He’s one of my favorite posters because he makes me laugh so much. Can’t remember all the players that he said were horrible because they had 1 bad week but I do believe it included the likes of Kamara, Hill and Evans lol
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Which catch? Just curious if it's the Hill one because I think that was going to be called back anyways due to penalty.
Milkman
Footballguy
Point still stands either way.......Tyreek/Mahomes were very close to having a good game.
boilerdave
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
Im going against him so obviously Im nervous but I have a feeling this game will be like the Ravens game with Seattle running the ball down KC's throats and keeping KC offense off the field. That and being in a tough road environment even vs an average defense I still think we wont see the 40 pt game this week. I can see a 300 yd, 3TD game though which is still awesome.
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whiskey7
Footballguy
+1
Seattle still typically a tough place for visiting teams to play and (for a SNF game the Hawks need to have) I would expect it will be a raucous atmosphere. Seattle D not what it once was but I am (obviously) hoping they play out of their minds and make life miserable for KC. Mahomes has seemed pretty unflappable so far but (at some point) I gotta believe he's going to look like a young QB often looks. Admittedly, might just be wishful thinking on my part.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Seattle D is nowhere near as good as Baltimore.....and Mahomes still threw for 377.....
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
they played a first place schedule this year, and probably will next year so not sure how it gets tougher....that first 6 game stretch was BRUTAL and they came out 5-1....honestly at this point it could really only get easier if LAC ends up winning the division....
as far as the rest of your post....I couldn't disagree more with just about everything you said....almost wonder if you have actually watched him play...
and I'd put the % of redraft leagues that he ends up being the #1 QB off the board in drafts at about 99.9%....please come back here next September with your league draft report and show where you pass on Mahomes for the guys you mention......that may actually be hard, because somebody will take him wayyyyyyyy before those guys and you won't even have the chance to pass on him....I can understand saying he will be way overpriced to and you aren't willing to pay what you will need to get him....but saying you will actually pass on him for those guys is taking it a little too far.....IMO
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Stinkin Ref
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count me as a Mahomes owner who is a little nervous this week....night game in SEA on a Sunday....they have all day to get liquored up and SEA and KC have this ongoing thing about who has the loudest outdoor stadium....I'm sure that place will be off the chains....add to the fact that SEA runs the ball more than anybody in the league, and it really could limit KC's possessions...so they will have to be super efficient when they do get the ball....PC will probably go for it on several 4th downs if he needs to....
with that said.....the KC run game isn't offering up a ton right now and it may be on Mahomes to win this thing so the stats should follow....like some above said about the Ravens game....turnovers could be huge in this one if they allow some empty and/or extra possessions depending on which side you are on....
with that said.....the KC run game isn't offering up a ton right now and it may be on Mahomes to win this thing so the stats should follow....like some above said about the Ravens game....turnovers could be huge in this one if they allow some empty and/or extra possessions depending on which side you are on....
boilerdave
Footballguy
Thanks for the Championship Patrick.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Baker showed a lot this season. I imagine he will be on most peoples list for next year.
boilerdave
Footballguy
I bought a Patrick is Mahomie tshirt to wear to next year’s draft where I’ll receive my trophy.
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beerbuff
Footballguy
I play in a 2 player keeper league and we have a KC Chief fan joining the league next year. I loved telling him telling Mahomes was one of my keepers-wrecked his next years season plans already...
How do people think his value is impacted *if* Tyreek is gone.
I would think he's still a clear cut notch above the rest of the QBs out there (fantasy wise), but the ceiling has to come down a bit. Chiefs could get another speedster, but would be hard to replace Hill as has been so much more than that.
I would think he's still a clear cut notch above the rest of the QBs out there (fantasy wise), but the ceiling has to come down a bit. Chiefs could get another speedster, but would be hard to replace Hill as has been so much more than that.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Odds were that he would fall back closer to the pack anyway (those kind of seasons are outliers).
Without Hill his numbers are going to even drop more. He has some amazing arm talent but Hill opens up the offense and makes plays for Mahomes - the rest of the WR group is pretty mediocre and I'd imagine Kelce is going to get some extra attention with no Hill.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
Have him in a few redrafts with keepers and plan on acquiring him in almost every league I am in......will have to admit I was a little disappointed with his week 16 matchup at CHI......he is pretty matchup proof but as it turns out he gets probably the worst possible matchup/location imaginable for he and his teammates from a FF perspective....
boilerdave
Footballguy
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
and its a sunday night....so I think that helps in a strange sorta way....think KC has guys who like the spotlight....
eNdblu
Footballguy
He's also going up against Vic Fangio the week prior vs DEN... So if you're still alive week 16, he could have had a good look at what concepts CHI might be running against him week 16.
EDIT: Just realized that Pagano is now the DC of CHI, not holdover from Fangio's staff w/ them... So my comment is likely irrelevant to the week 15/16 matchups
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Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Agreed. I'd be more likely to take Kelce in round 2 than take Mahomes in round 3 or whatever round someone will reach for him in.
Stinkin Ref
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the video game numbers will see some regression most likely in all circumstances....even if everyone is back, etc....those kind of seasons are not sustainable....will he still give you a decent amount of separation from the #2 fantasy QB...probably.....and maybe a good deal of separation "from the pack"....yeah probably.......so how much and how early you want to pay for it will be up to the individual drafter.....my guess is that there will be at least one guy in every draft that will chase last years stats...and pull the trigger before people think it's "worth it"....it will most likely depend on if you are that guy or not.....
I say as baseline (depending on league scoring rules 6 pts vs 4 for TD's etc).....that Mahomes has a chance to go in the second round of almost every 12 team draft....probably 10 teamers too....so in may ways, it will depend on your draft slot...because he won't make it back to you in the third......so to me....you have to go into your draft with your draft spot and decide if he is worth a second round pick to you.....and in some cases really a first....because the guy in the 12 hole knows his only chance at him will be with 1.12 or 2.01...
eta: I'm not worried about his schedule....the 6 game stretch to start the year last year was supposed to be murderer's row as well....the Chiefs will need him to still win almost every game....he is still going to put up numbers even in tough matchups....he will be option A on every play.....their defense should improve, but won't be dominant so the Chiefs will keep their foot on the gas in almost every matchup....no lead will be safe neccessarily....
I say as baseline (depending on league scoring rules 6 pts vs 4 for TD's etc).....that Mahomes has a chance to go in the second round of almost every 12 team draft....probably 10 teamers too....so in may ways, it will depend on your draft slot...because he won't make it back to you in the third......so to me....you have to go into your draft with your draft spot and decide if he is worth a second round pick to you.....and in some cases really a first....because the guy in the 12 hole knows his only chance at him will be with 1.12 or 2.01...
eta: I'm not worried about his schedule....the 6 game stretch to start the year last year was supposed to be murderer's row as well....the Chiefs will need him to still win almost every game....he is still going to put up numbers even in tough matchups....he will be option A on every play.....their defense should improve, but won't be dominant so the Chiefs will keep their foot on the gas in almost every matchup....no lead will be safe neccessarily....
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