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1 hour ago, NeverEnough said:

Let's slow down here. he's no Warner yet, Hunt is no Faulk & the WRs are no Bruce & Holt yet...

actually collectively so far they are....and then some....

Thru 2 games:

Warner: 584-6  Faulk: 159-0

Mahomes: 582-10 Hunt-124-0

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1 hour ago, Stinkin Ref said:

actually collectively so far they are....and then some....

Thru 2 games:

Warner: 584-6  Faulk: 159-0

Mahomes: 582-10 Hunt-124-0

Well, 2 games says it all then lol smh come on

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4 hours ago, NeverEnough said:

Well, 2 games says it all then lol smh come on

No worries....you said yet... just showing you the pace disagrees

you either think it kinda continues or you don’t....your call

 

 

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7 hours ago, NeverEnough said:

Let's slow down here. he's no Warner yet, Hunt is no Faulk & the WRs are no Bruce & Holt yet...

How can I slow down if I already finished? 

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On 9/20/2018 at 3:13 PM, abbottjamesr said:

The only player I would sell Mahomes for is Gurley.  I'm riding Mahomes to a FF championship.  First 60+ TD season in NFL history.

We will revisit this in Week 8.

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10 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

I don’t disagree with any of what you said. It also doesn’t really address my point. Everyone says his numbers will “average out” or “regress to the mean” etc. Who’s average? What mean? 

It’s quite possible he sets a new bar. 

Jesus Christ. He's not the best Quarterback of all time.

Like every other player, defenses will get more film on him and figure him out. If you think he's going to revolutionize the game, put $100 on the Chiefs to win the SB at 14:1 odds.

Actually, that's not a terrible idea...

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10 hours ago, LionOfGosforth said:

So let me get this straight...don't trade for him, sell him, but hold. Nailing your colors to the mast there.

Don't trade for him because you will overpay. Sell high if you have options at QB and can upgrade your starting roster

In a vacuum hold, because he's clearly a QB1. Hope that helps.

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8 hours ago, Stinkin Ref said:

actually collectively so far they are....and then some....

Thru 2 games:

Warner: 584-6  Faulk: 159-0

Mahomes: 582-10 Hunt-124-0

I'm gonna be the guy who says the Greatest Show on Turf would have had more impressive stats if they played in this era.

Just kidding, but the rules were much different when Kurt was playing. 

 

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I just got D.Adams for Maholmes... I have Rodgers and Id rather roll the dice with and make a upgrade to my squad... Maholmes Trade value is pretty high as its going to get and the guy I traded with had M.Ryan 

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8 hours ago, oswizzle said:

I just got D.Adams for Maholmes... I have Rodgers and Id rather roll the dice with and make a upgrade to my squad... Maholmes Trade value is pretty high as its going to get and the guy I traded with had M.Ryan 

I would just as soon roll with Mahomes as Rodgers.  Yes, Rodgers has a long track record but he is banged up (again) and the big numbers really haven't been their lately.  Mahomes is surrounded by big play makers and the defense is conducive to shoot-outs.  The opportunity seems perfect. Sometimes, youth does prevail.  

An injury to Rodgers would impact Adams so that would be a concern for me as well.  It might have been interesting to see what Rodgers would have fetched in trade.  Overall, trading a QB in a "start one" league is difficult because everyone usually has a capable starter.  I can see why someone panicked on Ryan

Mahomes has to regress some as defenses adjust and there is always the Andy factor.  However, I'm still comfortable with "regressed numbers" and I love the upside.  We've seen young QBs take the league by storm lately and maybe all the rule changes make that possible.

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9 hours ago, Stuart Ullman said:

Don't trade for him because you will overpay. Sell high if you have options at QB and can upgrade your starting roster

In a vacuum hold, because he's clearly a QB1. Hope that helps.

Exceptional, helped a ton, thanks.

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On 9/20/2018 at 3:13 PM, abbottjamesr said:

The only player I would sell Mahomes for is Gurley.  I'm riding Mahomes to a FF championship.  First 60+ TD season in NFL history.

On pace for 84 now lol

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Patrick Mahomes passed Tom Brady and Peyton Manning as the all-time leader in TDs through a team's first three games after his performance against the 49ers.

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Didn't see the game so wondering what happened to the Hill connection? He had entire drives where he threw to just about everyone but him. I take it he was the focus of most of the defensive attention? I know he missed him deep a couple of time but still.

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1 hour ago, LionOfGosforth said:

Didn't see the game so wondering what happened to the Hill connection? He had entire drives where he threw to just about everyone but him. I take it he was the focus of most of the defensive attention? I know he missed him deep a couple of time but still.

He'll be fine. There was a lot of opportunities. It just didn't happen this time. Huge games coming. 

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7 hours ago, King of the Jungle said:

Watson isn't that bad is he?

No he's not and he's doing the best he can with awful playcalling, a predictable offense, and a terrible o line. Almost 400 yards and 2 TDs yesterday for him. PFF grade of 84.4, 7th amongst QBs yesterdays

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20 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

It’s his 4th start. I’ll cut him some slack. 

No slack. He only scored 24.76 FP in my league last week. Obviously this means he's a bum. Time to trade him for a REAL QB like Fitzmagic.

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Debating new FF team name:

Mahomes Boy From Outer Space

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1 hour ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

Any success? Curious as to offers and/or compensation.

I offered Aaron Rodger + 1st + 2nd for Mahomes + Quincy

He messaged me and said it's hard to turn down but he hasn't taken it either. It might be just to hard to trade a young guy doing historic things like this. If Mahomes comes out and throws up a 250-1-3 line he'll be asking for that deal again next week but i think he's going to turn it down.

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1 hour ago, Milkman said:

I offered Aaron Rodger + 1st + 2nd for Mahomes + Quincy

He messaged me and said it's hard to turn down but he hasn't taken it either. It might be just to hard to trade a young guy doing historic things like this. If Mahomes comes out and throws up a 250-1-3 line he'll be asking for that deal again next week but i think he's going to turn it down.

You said it perfectly, it is just too hard to trade certain players when they are performing how they are. I can’t think of a trade I would do to unload Mahomes but part of it is just having players you like no matter the value you get in return.

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2 minutes ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

Even next week against Jacksonville?

:bag:

 

I don't know...

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46 minutes ago, Stuart Ullman said:

If he can produce against Denver in Denver. Then he is matchup proof.

The Denver secondary had been awful.  The Chiefs will light it up. 

J-Ville is the true test.  

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20 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

Broncos are going to bring everything but the kitchen sink....I think he will be ready....legit

Yeah I think he plays well tonight. He's not going to throw for 450 and 5 but 280/3 might happen.

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Statistically, not a barn burner performance tonight, but the buy-high window is closed on this guy. His arm talent is freaky. 

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20 minutes ago, Mister CIA said:

Statistically, not a barn burner performance tonight, but the buy-high window is closed on this guy. His arm talent is freaky. 

He's the best. I now understand what we're dealing with.

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5 hours ago, Milkman said:

Yeah I think he plays well tonight. He's not going to throw for 450 and 5 but 280/3 might happen.

 

:-(

Not even close.

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Can we just call it what it is and be done....?.....legit....would you really take another QB over him right now for the next 5....7...10 years...?

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Imagine the free agents on defense that will take less money to join this team moving forward....you want to go somewhere and think you can win for the next 10 years....?....

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Mahomes leads Chiefs' comeback win over Broncos

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1. Patrick Mahomes had his moment on Monday night. After struggling through an unproductive first half during which he averaged just 4.3 yards per pass attempt, Mahomes (304 yards, TD) rebounded with confident abandon. With the Chiefs down by 10 points in the fourth quarter, the second-year gunslinger led two touchdown drives, showing off the remarkable out-of-pocket accuracy and ball speed that earned him the starting gig in Kansas City and early-season MVP chatter. After the Broncos went three-and-out with 4:35 to go, Mahomes marched K.C. down the field in eight plays, converting two third downs and bouncing back from second-and-30 at one point, to take a four-point lead over Denver with just under two minutes to go.

Case Keenum took Denver into Chiefs territory quickly, thanks to a 36-yard heave to tight end Jeff Heuerman. But the Broncos quarterback followed that up with four straight incompletions from the Chiefs' 28-yard line, including one misfire toward the end zone in the direction of a wide-open Demaryius Thomas. Game over. Point, young gun.

1b. Mahomes' night can't be summed up in numbers or metrics, but this stat from the ESPN broadcast comes pretty damn close. The Chiefs quarterback threw for 192 yards outside of the pocket on Monday night, the most by any quarterback in the past decade. The Brett Favre comparisons are easy to make, especially when Mahomes is completing passes ambidextrously and launching rifles off balance at obtuse angles like the former Packers legend. But it's hard not to make them. The only difference? Mahomes doesn't turn the ball over. Through four games, he has a 14:0 TD-to-INT ratio. Mahomes is pacing the MVP race ahead of Jared Goff and Khalil Mack -- and the gap's not small.

 

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7 hours ago, Truebluey said:

 

:-(

Not even close.

Huh? He threw for 300+ and had 2 TDs. 

Lol geez......tough crowd. 

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6 hours ago, Stinkin Ref said:

Can we just call it what it is and be done....?.....legit....would you really take another QB over him right now for the next 5....7...10 years...?

If the NFL had a redraft of all the current NFL players right now Mahomes would be the #1 pick imo. 

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