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Dynasty & Redraft: RB Saquon Barkley, N.Y. Giants

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18 minutes ago, BigTex said:

As I said he's the first to say this, NO ONE else has even brought this up. No one watching him is lumping him in the other PSU backs.

Tex

He was just saying it's a possibility which is more true than saying it's an impossibility.

No reason to flog him for it.

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This guy is incredible.  I loved what I saw from CMC the last few years at Stanford, and Barkley looks even moreso dominant.

I wonder how much it will cost me to get him next year in a $200 auction next year...

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If you are Penn State fan, you can't help but think about him in relation to past busts and cringe whenever anybody goes near his knees. However, under Joe the S&C program was bad. I think it contributed to the problems guys had when they got to the NFL. That is not a problem Barkley is going to have. I cannot think of another college back who was as complete a package as he is.

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11 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

He was just saying it's a possibility which is more true than saying it's an impossibility.

No reason to flog him for it.

Lol I'm not flogging him I just simply pointed out that there's no way ANYONE can watch Barkley play and be down on him because he plays for PSU simply because of the past failures of other running backs. I ONLY pointed out that he has been the ONLY person to make that comparison. 

Ive yet to read one ranking/post/thread/person be down on this kid. So draft him and be glad you did. I didn't flame anyone.

Tex 

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26 minutes ago, Drunken Cowboy said:

If you are Penn State fan, you can't help but think about him in relation to past busts and cringe whenever anybody goes near his knees. However, under Joe the S&C program was bad. I think it contributed to the problems guys had when they got to the NFL. That is not a problem Barkley is going to have. I cannot think of another college back who was as complete a package as he is.

He needs to win the Heisman.  I can't think of another player that is that important to his team.  Without Barkley on the field PSU is not a good team at all.  I believe he accounted for over 400 total yards last night.

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26 minutes ago, BigTex said:

Lol I'm not flogging him I just simply pointed out that there's no way ANYONE can watch Barkley play and be down on him because he plays for PSU simply because of the past failures of other running backs. I ONLY pointed out that he has been the ONLY person to make that comparison. 

Ive yet to read one ranking/post/thread/person be down on this kid. So draft him and be glad you did. I didn't flame anyone.

Tex 

Except for the one directly above this one?

:pokey:

Edited by Andy Dufresne

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4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

He needs to win the Heisman.  I can't think of another player that is that important to his team.  Without Barkley on the field PSU is not a good team at all.  I believe he accounted for over 400 total yards last night.

He very well could win it. McSorley is a damn good player as well. Barkley did not have 400 yards.

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Best running back prospect since AP?

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Almost 400 all purpose yards. 211 rushing, 94 receiving and 53 returning, 358

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3 minutes ago, jeaton6 said:

He very well could win it. McSorley is a damn good player as well. Barkley did not have 400 yards.

305 yfs and 358 apy

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3 minutes ago, msudaisy26 said:

Best running back prospect since AP?

I don't see AP as a better prospect. Barkley is as powerful and faster.

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1 minute ago, msudaisy26 said:

Almost 400 all purpose yards. 211 rushing, 94 receiving and 53 returning, 358

Damn.  Seeing that in black in white is just nuts.   I watch him last night for the first time this year and was blown away.  He looks huge on the field.  

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Just now, Drunken Cowboy said:

I don't see AP as a better prospect. Barkley is as powerful and faster.

I agree I think Barkley is the best rb prospect since Dickerson, but I can see a case for Peterson.

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At this point I'm fearful of doing something crazy stupid to get him in my team. 

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2 minutes ago, Andrew74 said:

At this point I'm fearful of doing something crazy stupid to get him in my team. 

I am fearful being crazy to not get him on my team.

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42 minutes ago, jeaton6 said:

He very well could win it. McSorley is a damn good player as well. Barkley did not have 400 yards.

You're right, I was told wrong.  I just checked and he had 358 total yards in the game.

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1 hour ago, BigTex said:

Lol I'm not flogging him I just simply pointed out that there's no way ANYONE can watch Barkley play and be down on him because he plays for PSU simply because of the past failures of other running backs. I ONLY pointed out that he has been the ONLY person to make that comparison. 

Ive yet to read one ranking/post/thread/person be down on this kid. So draft him and be glad you did. I didn't flame anyone.

Tex 

I didn't make a comparison

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5 hours ago, joffer said:

I didn't make a comparison

You lumped him in with other PSU running backs.....that's comparing.

Tex

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This was my favorite play from the other night.

https://youtu.be/r3wm60SNqt8

Hurdles a guy, gets hit in mid air, throws the guy off him and lands on his feet running still.

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I don't know about RB comparisons but I will say this.  The PSU O-Line is not good.  I was hoping it would be better but he is still averaging almost 8 yards per carry with a #### O-Line.  He's a major threat as a pass catcher.  He cuts on a dime.  He can ram through at the goal line.  All Franklin and Moorhead should be doing is saying "give him the ball".

He's not going to be another Curtis Enis, kiJana Carter, etc.  He's the real deal.  He's going to be a wrecking machine in dynasty/redraft in all scoring formats.

 

All right, so I might be a little biased but the kid is amazing.

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7 minutes ago, CentralPA said:

All right, so I might be a little biased but the kid is amazing.

Signed

In my keeper league the top team that misses the playoffs gets the #1 pick, making my 1-2 start to the season much easier to stomach. Regardless, I'm gonna try to trade for the first pick as hard as I can.

Probably the most talented player I've ever watched play at Penn State.

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1 hour ago, CentralPA said:

 

All right, so I might be a little biased but the kid is amazing.

No bias here and barring a significant injury or unforeseen off the field issue once this NFL season has concluded he'll jump to my #1 overall RB, someone I'd be entirely comfortable taking 1.1 of a startup, not a rookie draft but a startup. This is not shtick in any way whatsoever. I've seen what I needed to see here.

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59 minutes ago, menobrown said:

No bias here and barring a significant injury or unforeseen off the field issue once this NFL season has concluded he'll jump to my #1 overall RB, someone I'd be entirely comfortable taking 1.1 of a startup, not a rookie draft but a startup. This is not shtick in any way whatsoever. I've seen what I needed to see here.

Yeah, the only thing I am worried about is that he blows out his knee like Lattimore did.  My god that would be so horrible.  *knocking on wood*

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Saquon Barkley is listed as the No.2 prospect on Mel Kiper's updated Big Board.

The only player that tops Barkley on the list is USC quarterback Sam Darnold. Kiper calls the 5-foot-11, 230-pound tailback a lights-out athlete with a great lower body and quick feet who shows tremendous balance." Barkley started the year as a potential top-ten pick, but it now seems feasible that he goes in the first three selections, maybe even first-overall if the team selecting doesn't have a need at quarterback.

Source: ESPN Insider 

Sep 28 - 10:36 PM

 

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Suck for Saquon? Blow for Barkley? Who's designing the t-shirts?

I'm really excited to see this guy in an NFL uniform. I'm kind of hoping a team with a good QB of the future can have a bad year to see him go #1. Luck lining up under center in front of him would be filthy! Shut Andrew down for the year...no sense risking his long term health! :)

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As a dynasty player holding the 1.01 rookie pick, I wish he would sit out the remainder of this college season

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On 9/28/2017 at 11:19 PM, maf005 said:

As a dynasty player holding the 1.01 rookie pick, I wish he would sit out the remainder of this college season

How do you know you have the 1.01 rookie pick for next year already?

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How awesome would it be to see him land with the Colts?

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6 minutes ago, msudaisy26 said:

How awesome would it be to see him land with the Colts?

At this point I am not sure. That organization cannot seem to put it together.

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8 minutes ago, King of the Jungle said:

At this point I am not sure. That organization cannot seem to put it together.

They are only 3  years removed from playing in the AFC title game, and not everyone is the Patriots. They have lost their starting qb for extended periods of time the last 2 years. Most teams go in the tank when that happens.

A healthy Luck, Hilton and Barkley could make even an average NFL line look elite.

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3 hours ago, msudaisy26 said:

They are only 3  years removed from playing in the AFC title game, and not everyone is the Patriots. They have lost their starting qb for extended periods of time the last 2 years. Most teams go in the tank when that happens.

A healthy Luck, Hilton and Barkley could make even an average NFL line look elite.

3 years is a loooong time in the NFL

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It doesn't really matter where he lands. He will make whoever drafts him a better team. 

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I think it matters a lot where he goes, for fantasy and for his own career.  Just like any other player, a good fit is better than a bad fit.  There are so many bad organizations that use players wrong...  If he goes to a bad situation in terms of lots of RB competition or terrible offense and organization he won't reach anywhere near his fantasy potential.  He could easily not be the 1.01 by next year.  He could get drafted by Cleveland...  or Chicago or New Orleans (lol) or Jacksonville or Carolina or NYG or LAR. All of those places could kill his potential fantasy value for one reason or another.  The problem is the dumbest teams pick first in the draft.  The dumbest teams also like to reach for  hyped players that may not even fit their scheme and then use them poorly.  

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59 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

I think it matters a lot where he goes, for fantasy and for his own career.  Just like any other player, a good fit is better than a bad fit.  There are so many bad organizations that use players wrong...  If he goes to a bad situation in terms of lots of RB competition or terrible offense and organization he won't reach anywhere near his fantasy potential.  He could easily not be the 1.01 by next year.  He could get drafted by Cleveland...  or Chicago or New Orleans (lol) or Jacksonville or Carolina or NYG or LAR. All of those places could kill his potential fantasy value for one reason or another.  The problem is the dumbest teams pick first in the draft.  The dumbest teams also like to reach for  hyped players that may not even fit their scheme and then use them poorly.  

The Rams were 2-7 and 6-10 the 2 years before drafting Eric Dickerson #2.
Buffalo was 1-12-1 and 4-10 the 2 years before drafting OJ Simpson #1.
Chargers were 1-15 the year before drafting L Tomlinson #5.
Detroit Lions were 4-12, 4-11 and 5-11 before drafting Barry Sanders #3.
Detroit Lions were 2-14 before drafting Billy Sims #1.
Chicago Bears were 4-10 and 3-11 before drafting Walter Payton #4
 

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