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An average season, not the best, not the worst. It played better than it deserved thanks to the antics of Devens, who elevated it above. Otherwise this was squarely in the "20th to 30th best of the 38 seasons so far" rank. He killed it this year and made it a joy to watch. What a letdown at the end.

Some random musings I scribbled down while watching on the west coast:

  • Everyone having an idol or a promise of immunity at final 5 was an all-time Survivor highlight :lmao:
  • You can tell when an editor is having fun on his job when he perfectly times the cue of Lauren saying "I looked like an idiot" with the graphics text coming up to read "One Fake Idol" after her name, knowing what was going to come.
  • More chicks need to do meth I guess because (as I noted in this thread) Lauren's purple bra & underwear combo looked amazing on Day 1 and it only got better. She was fit and toned walking in to her final tribal and looked absolutely stunning. Just a little dirty after going 38 days without a shower, sure, but she was gorgeous the whole time.
  • Don't like that the construct of the season forced a gigantic jury. Reem gets a vote? Please. They needed to cut the pre-merge people out of the Jury. Just too many people who weren't in the game.
  • The competition for the Exiles to get back in was worth it just to see Wardog blow it early, again, and trail the entire time because he can't hack even the beginning of a physical task. Then he was wrong about the fire-making being "over" before it was. What a tool. :lmao: 
  • The Final 3 must have had the least total in-season screentime of any Final 3 in history, easy. Gavin and Julie barely talked this year and Chris wasn't in 10 of the 13 episodes. Eeesh.

 

Hopefully this is the last time they do this particular "experiment". 

Looking forward to Australian Survivor and Survivor South Africa to get my fix in the off-season and see the game played like it's supposed to be.

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35 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

Did I miss something ...why did Devens and Chris just be given a combo idol in their bags after Chris came back?

Going back ten years or whatever to Exile Island and all those shows... usually a person booted out who wins their way back in gets something to make it at least interesting and not immediately be turned around and voted right back out. It used to be a regular idol, now, first Devens and then Chris got the half-idol that has to be split and then re-formed for the next tribal.

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Agree with most of what is posted here.

Average season ruined by "Edge of Extinction" returning a player so late.  Jury members who should have been out of the game weeks ago.  Was really hoping that Devins was going to win the fire making challenge, after that what a terrible final 3.  Julie thinking she had a shot, no votes with all those jury members.

But after all of that, Boston Rob and Sandra :sadbanana:

Go away, man that is terrible.  Statues...:wall:  I've watched every episode of every season and I am seriously thinking about not watching the next season.  I'd rather bring back all the players that quit than these 2 in any capacity.  Damn. 

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Terrible ending. Chris getting an idol at 5 left (couldn’t use it at 6) was huge and having him hang out with the jury almost the entire season was laughable. I’m pretty sure that the producers wanted to get the voted off person in the final 3 no matter what to see what happens and hopefully make a Survivor first.

Whoever saying above that Reem getting a jury vote was a joke is right. Comical that the person voted off first got so much screen time and time at the reunion. She was an awful player and person and yet she got as much time as the winner. The first off is the person at the reunion you glance at and then remember oh yeah they were on the show. 

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By the way Aurora cleaned up the best, not Wendy. I might have to say she looked the best overall. Victoria and Lauren looked great but Aurora might have looked better. 

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It was obvious halfway into the season that the winner was going to be the person who returned at 6 due to  a no winners edit. Devine was getting a to much in the face edit to be the winner. Joe, Aubrey and David hopefully never return after voting for Chris. 

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Hated the final challenge/TC at first but do respect Chris' approach.  He only played the hand he was dealt and while most everyone else that would have come back in would have kept the immunity necklace and took their chances, he made the most logical and best move he could have made by giving up immunity to earn his spot against Devens.  

Also his Jedi mind trick on Lauren was brilliant.  One of the dumbest things I've ever seen on the show was her giving her HII to him when she had one more TC to use it.  So stupid.  

I don't like that someone from edge came back and won.  Sort of anti-climactic, but Chris didn't make the rules and he played the hand that he was dealt flawlessly.  

I thought maybe the person getting back into the game would have some sort of disadvantage at the challenge, as in a time delay entry/beginning or something.  Never thought they'd just hand them an immunity idol at re-entry.  Geez, that was dumb.  But Devens should have just let the others vote out Chris.  Came back to haunt him.  

Mediocre season but it did have some nice moments, thanks mostly to Devens and the inept Wardog.  

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Victoria looked great at the last couple of TCs but fell off a little at the reunion, imo.  Makeup did wonders for Aurora.  Thought Lauren might have looked better on the island.  

Agree that Jeff Probst looked old last night.  But 20 years ages all of us.  

Also agree that they should have cut down the jury.  No way the first person voted off the show should be on the jury.  

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Boston Rob and Sandra :X  :thumbdown:

Was hoping to never see Sandra out there again.  And how are they going to mentor anyone on this game?  The game has changed since they've been on.  Especially Rob.  CBS just handed him a hand-picked cast for him to cruise to a win.  

Sandra's game was to annoy and inexplicably avoid getting voted out.  She always was on the side of the numbers, IIRC.  I would almost rather see them play than mentor because that means they will have tons of air time with all the players.  :no::thumbdown:

Whose brilliant idea was this?  

 

This season showed again how the game evolves.  Players like Joe, Ozzy and Devens will never win.  Win lots of challenges and/or find idols and you are playing too good.  Guaranteed loss.  Hiding in the wings doesn't work anymore.  

This game takes a ton of luck and being in the right place at the right time.  Have to have a balance of being good at challenges and the social game... but not too good at either. 

The old saying is true, especially in this game... sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.  

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32 minutes ago, Jayrok said:

Boston Rob and Sandra :X  :thumbdown:

Was hoping to never see Sandra out there again.  And how are they going to mentor anyone on this game?  The game has changed since they've been on.  Especially Rob.  CBS just handed him a hand-picked cast for him to cruise to a win.  

Sandra's game was to annoy and inexplicably avoid getting voted out.  She always was on the side of the numbers, IIRC.  I would almost rather see them play than mentor because that means they will have tons of air time with all the players.  :no::thumbdown:

Whose brilliant idea was this?  

 

This season showed again how the game evolves.  Players like Joe, Ozzy and Devens will never win.  Win lots of challenges and/or find idols and you are playing too good.  Guaranteed loss.  Hiding in the wings doesn't work anymore.  

This game takes a ton of luck and being in the right place at the right time.  Have to have a balance of being good at challenges and the social game... but not too good at either. 

The old saying is true, especially in this game... sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.  

I'd rather see Brian Heidik come back than these 2 and that's saying something.  At least he won his first season playing.

 

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2 hours ago, stbugs said:

By the way Aurora cleaned up the best, not Wendy. I might have to say she looked the best overall. Victoria and Lauren looked great but Aurora might have looked better. 

Aurora seems like a bitter woman though...telling them to "Give him outta here" about Devins after she was voted out.

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1 hour ago, Jayrok said:

Boston Rob and Sandra :X  :thumbdown:

Was hoping to never see Sandra out there again.  And how are they going to mentor anyone on this game?  The game has changed since they've been on.  Especially Rob.  CBS just handed him a hand-picked cast for him to cruise to a win.  

Sandra's game was to annoy and inexplicably avoid getting voted out.  She always was on the side of the numbers, IIRC.  I would almost rather see them play than mentor because that means they will have tons of air time with all the players.  :no::thumbdown:

Whose brilliant idea was this?  

 

This season showed again how the game evolves.  Players like Joe, Ozzy and Devens will never win.  Win lots of challenges and/or find idols and you are playing too good.  Guaranteed loss.  Hiding in the wings doesn't work anymore.  

This game takes a ton of luck and being in the right place at the right time.  Have to have a balance of being good at challenges and the social game... but not too good at either. 

The old saying is true, especially in this game... sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.  

Good news for you is they will probably be on the next two seasons. 

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1 hour ago, Jayrok said:

Boston Rob and Sandra :X  :thumbdown:

Was hoping to never see Sandra out there again.  And how are they going to mentor anyone on this game?  The game has changed since they've been on.  Especially Rob.  CBS just handed him a hand-picked cast for him to cruise to a win.  

Sandra's game was to annoy and inexplicably avoid getting voted out.  She always was on the side of the numbers, IIRC.  I would almost rather see them play than mentor because that means they will have tons of air time with all the players.  :no::thumbdown:

Whose brilliant idea was this?  

 

This season showed again how the game evolves.  Players like Joe, Ozzy and Devens will never win.  Win lots of challenges and/or find idols and you are playing too good.  Guaranteed loss.  Hiding in the wings doesn't work anymore.  

This game takes a ton of luck and being in the right place at the right time.  Have to have a balance of being good at challenges and the social game... but not too good at either. 

The old saying is true, especially in this game... sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.  

Bottom line is the best player if they can last has to win the final immunity to assure a spot at the end.

The game Survivor is not about who is the best player at the total game as being a nobody, non threat can take you to the end.  They need to do an All-Star Survivor where all the players are good at challenges and have physical ability.  Now they always bring in a few men and women who have zero physical tools to compete and they are always around at the end even though they basically do nothing. 

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1 hour ago, Jayrok said:

Victoria looked great at the last couple of TCs but fell off a little at the reunion, imo.  Makeup did wonders for Aurora.  Thought Lauren might have looked better on the island.  

Agree that Jeff Probst looked old last night.  But 20 years ages all of us.  

Also agree that they should have cut down the jury.  No way the first person voted off the show should be on the jury.  

Jeff is going to be 59 this year so he is not a spring chicken anymore.  Plus he used a shade too dark of hair color for the reunion show that made his face look older.

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10 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

Jeff is going to be 59 this year so he is not spring chicken anymore.  Plus he used a shade too dark of hair color for the reunion show that made his face look older.

The fact that they don't allow him to wear sunglasses has forced him to constantly squint and my guess have some serious "work" done on that area. 

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8 hours ago, Walking Boot said:

Going back ten years or whatever to Exile Island and all those shows... usually a person booted out who wins their way back in gets something to make it at least interesting and not immediately be turned around and voted right back out. It used to be a regular idol, now, first Devens and then Chris got the half-idol that has to be split and then re-formed for the next tribal.

if you weren't paying attention you would have missed them even introducing that idol....IMO that was a huge part of the game and why Chris won.....yet all they do is a 2 second flashback with an "earlier today"  tag on it.....allowed an opportunity to get back in the game is one thing.....but to then give that player the most powerful piece of of the game seems WAYYYY over the top IMO.....the player getting back in should not be given an automatic pass into the next round....while you may think the returning player is at a huge disadvantage without it, thats the way it should be....but in reality that player is walking in with a lot of power...the 5 that are left are in position to start taking each other out and introducing "fresh meat" back into the games gives them someone they can use....I don't think it is a guarantee that the returning player is immediately voted back out....no need to give the returning player an idol.....IMO it was completely unfair....

worst ending ever....I 'll give it to Chris for a ballsy "I wanna take the last shot" move....but Devens clearly deserved to win this season...at least he got 100K..this is not the Survivor we grew to love....I think they are getting too gimmicky with some of the things/plots/twists that they are introducing to the the game....I miss the some of the old basic at the core type of stuff that made Survivor such a great concept 20 years ago or whatever...

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22 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

Bottom line is the best player if they can last has to win the final immunity to assure a spot at the end.

The game Survivor is not about who is the best player at the total game as being a nobody, non threat can take you to the end.  They need to do an All-Star Survivor where all the players are good at challenges and have physical ability.  Now they always bring in a few men and women who have zero physical tools to compete and they are always around at the end even though they basically do nothing. 

The good thing is times have changed a little lately and the 'nobody, non threat' player, while still makes the finals, rarely wins anymore.  I don't think juries in the last few seasons have been as bitter as previous seasons.  They haven't typically rewarded goats that are carried to the end.  Certainly not like when Tina beat Colby.  

You're right that the good player has to win that last immunity challenge... or get to final four and win the fire challenge.  But they are constantly a target to get out after the merge.  

I'd like to see an all-star season where there are no goats.  Would be interesting to see how that plays out.  But, imo, they certainly should stop bringing back returning players to play with new contestants.  If returning, then all should be returning.  Otherwise, give us all new people to like or dislike.  

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3 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

if you weren't paying attention you would have missed them even introducing that idol....IMO that was a huge part of the game and why Chris won.....yet all they do is a 2 second flashback with an "earlier today"  tag on it.....allowed an opportunity to get back in the game is one thing.....but to then give that player the most powerful piece of of the game seems WAYYYY over the top IMO.....the player getting back in should not be given an automatic pass into the next round....while you may think the returning player is at a huge disadvantage without it, thats the way it should be....but in reality that player is walking in with a lot of power...the 5 that are left are in position to start taking each other out and introducing "fresh meat" back into the games gives them someone they can use....I don't think it is a guarantee that the returning player is immediately voted back out....no need to give the returning player an idol.....IMO it was completely unfair....

worst ending ever....I 'll give it to Chris for a ballsy "I wanna take the last shot" move....but Devens clearly deserved to win this season...at least he got 100K..this is not the Survivor we grew to love....I think they are getting too gimmicky with some of the things/plots/twists that they are introducing to the the game....I miss the some of the old basic at the core type of stuff that made Survivor such a great concept 20 years ago or whatever...

It wasn't a complete idol.  He had to give half of it away AND make it through the first tribal he was back for in order to even have a chance to use the idol.  Plus he needed Devens to give him back the second half.  Devens could have said screw you and kept his half and it wouldn't have done him any good.  Although it was an advantage it wasn't a straight "I have an idol and can't be voted out" advantage.  He had to give it to the right person to trust to give him the half back and get through the first tribal without it. 

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2 minutes ago, Jayrok said:

The good thing is times have changed a little lately and the 'nobody, non threat' player, while still makes the finals, rarely wins anymore.  I don't think juries in the last few seasons have been as bitter as previous seasons.  They haven't typically rewarded goats that are carried to the end.  Certainly not like when Tina beat Colby.  

You're right that the good player has to win that last immunity challenge... or get to final four and win the fire challenge.  But they are constantly a target to get out after the merge.  

I'd like to see an all-star season where there are no goats.  Would be interesting to see how that plays out.  But, imo, they certainly should stop bringing back returning players to play with new contestants.  If returning, then all should be returning.  Otherwise, give us all new people to like or dislike.  

How Sandra won twice is beyond comprehension.  First of all I would vote out any previous winner first week. 

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2 minutes ago, Gally said:

It wasn't a complete idol.  He had to give half of it away AND make it through the first tribal he was back for in order to even have a chance to use the idol.  Plus he needed Devens to give him back the second half.  Devens could have said screw you and kept his half and it wouldn't have done him any good.  Although it was an advantage it wasn't a straight "I have an idol and can't be voted out" advantage.  He had to give it to the right person to trust to give him the half back and get through the first tribal without it. 

This is why I don't have a problem with Chris winning.  Everything he tried after re-entry paid off.  His manipulation of Lauren, in that short of time, might have been the single greatest coup this season.  Bet she still wakes up wondering why and how that happened.  

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5 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

How Sandra won twice is beyond comprehension.  First of all I would vote out any previous winner first week. 

Amen, brother.  Absolutely inexplicable.  And now she's back to mentor new players.  Good grief.  

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59 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

Aurora seems like a bitter woman though...telling them to "Give him outta here" about Devins after she was voted out.

I think she’s just a competitor at heart and she’s definitely got some issues around not making personal connections with her childhood.

She seems like she’d be pretty fiercely loyal and possibly very bitter on a breakup!

Either way, she kind of grew on me after hearing about her past and how she was pretty much ignored by others. I think she jumped on the Joe bandwagon too soon and that kind of put her there, but she was a beast at challenges and she looked damn good at the reunion show. I’d probably say she looked the best. 

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29 minutes ago, Jayrok said:

 

I'd like to see an all-star season where there are no goats.  Would be interesting to see how that plays out.  But, imo, they certainly should stop bringing back returning players to play with new contestants.  If returning, then all should be returning.  Otherwise, give us all new people to like or dislike.  

You're going to like season 40 (airs starting next February, after the Rob/Sandra one): all 18 players are winners. Not just former contestants, but million dollar winners. 

 

 

Also, next season with Rob and Sandra is "All Idols, All The Time"? It might be too much. 

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Here is the one flaw in Survivor as a competition: If you are too good at the game, you have to win the final immunity challenge or win the fire making contest to be able to win the game. It's comparable to a dominant sports team being better than all the other teams for a season, but they have to win the final game of the season to get into the playoffs even though they have a far superior record. You don't get credit for how dominant you were for 99% of the game/season. Now some would argue that you know this is the game when you start so your strategy should be downplaying your dominance. But that is extemely hard to do, especially for someone who is a great competitor, which us Americans tend to like.

Lauren blew her chance by using her idol on Chris. Devens blew his chance by giving Chris half the idol. Chris played the hand he was dealt extremely well and won because of the unremarkable games played by Gavin and Julie (even if they didn't get voted out).

Survivor should not allow players back in the game at all, but definitely not so late. And giving an idol to returning players is also a bad idea. They were allowed back in the game, why should that get a reward for being voted off in the first place?

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3 hours ago, Jayrok said:

Boston Rob and Sandra :X  :thumbdown:

Was hoping to never see Sandra out there again.  And how are they going to mentor anyone on this game?  The game has changed since they've been on.  Especially Rob.  CBS just handed him a hand-picked cast for him to cruise to a win.  

Sandra's game was to annoy and inexplicably avoid getting voted out.  She always was on the side of the numbers, IIRC.  I would almost rather see them play than mentor because that means they will have tons of air time with all the players.  :no::thumbdown:

Whose brilliant idea was this?  

 

I couldn't agree more. 

Let's take the two of the most obnoxious game show players in history and glorify them every week???? :X

I'll pass on the whole season.

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13 hours ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

The people who were IN the game and the people who respected the game voted Gavin.

My thoughts exactly.. Really BAD idea to let someone spend more then half the show spend their time not having to do challenges, or worry about getting voted off get back in the game with such a short period of time. Having Devins win his way back in earlier was fine.. But that should have been it...

As Gavin stated, he and Julie were truly disadvantaged with that, and it was proven by the vote... Those on the Island voted for Chris as a representative of themselves... One of the most undeserving winners in quite some time..

Producers and Jeff should all be wearing :bag: 

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2 hours ago, Buddy Ball 2K3 said:

The fact that they don't allow him to wear sunglasses has forced him to constantly squint and my guess have some serious "work" done on that area. 

Huh?  You do realize that 95% of Jeff's time on that island is not on camera during the day right?   I'm sure he has plenty of allowed sunglass wearing time on his hands.

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This was worse than Redemption Island and a cast of idiots clearing out of Rob's way as if he were a Make a Wish kid that wanted to score a touchdown.

 

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1 hour ago, dhockster said:

Here is the one flaw in Survivor as a competition: If you are too good at the game, you have to win the final immunity challenge or win the fire making contest to be able to win the game. It's comparable to a dominant sports team being better than all the other teams for a season, but they have to win the final game of the season to get into the playoffs even though they have a far superior record. You don't get credit for how dominant you were for 99% of the game/season.

Maybe they should make a rule that if you win 6 individual immunity challenges you get a bye into the final 3.

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Now that I think about it, a second player coming back that late was terrible.  

Aubry, Chris and Reem not only got one chance to come back after being voted out, but a second chance to return at final 6.  What a joke.  Giving players a chance this late was bad enough but giving players 2 chances, just ridiculous.  

 

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4 hours ago, Jayrok said:

Boston Rob and Sandra :X  :thumbdown:

Nothing, absolutely nothing, about that preview got me excited.

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Pretty good article by Fishbach

https://people.com/tv/chris-underwood-wins-survivor-edge-of-extinction/

Liked this part in particular:

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In a shocking finale, Survivor just awarded a win to a guy who barely played Survivor.

Sales manager Chris Underwood was the third person voted out of the game, when his allies turned on him at Manu. After 28 days on the Edge of Extinction, he fought his way back, won the million dollar prize and title of Sole Survivor, and most importantly, takes home the Final Fishy.

On paper, it seems impossible, even insulting. The signature challenge of Survivor is how do you vote people out of the game, in such a way that they’re willing to vote for you to win. Chris didn’t have to do any of that. Rather than having to betray his tribemates, Chris spent a month feeding them, healing wounds and building bonds. And what does that mean about the past 10 episodes of the show? Were they all just a pointless waiting room for Chris’ march to victory?

 

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Chris’s moves were baller when he got back in. Lauren was exceptional viewing and Devins entertaining. Other than that a completely forgettable season.

As for Rob and Sandra, they should start out the season with a stocked camp. If their mentee gets voted out the other should get to remove something from their camp. Tarp? Gone. Chickens?  Goodbye. If they aren’t going to suffer in some way I don’t really want to watch. 

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2 hours ago, Nick Vermeil said:

Chris’s moves were baller when he got back in. Lauren was exceptional viewing and Devins entertaining. Other than that a completely forgettable season.

Totally agree.

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"Survivor" lore from the past: at the live reunion show at the end of Survivor: Gabon, they forgot to bring the votes to the finale. A producer left them in the office near LAX. One guy drive down on a motorcycle, broke a window, climbed in and opened the urn and faxed the votes to Television City, where they were retraced by an art team member onto parchment in case he didn't make it back to the studio on time. They ended up getting the urn to the studio about two minutes before they were read on-air.

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5 hours ago, offdee said:

Huh?  You do realize that 95% of Jeff's time on that island is not on camera during the day right?   I'm sure he has plenty of allowed sunglass wearing time on his hands.

In the early seasons he wore them all the time. Do you think these challenges and filming only take 20 minutes a day out in the sun??

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Lauren was my kid brother neighbor at Baylor.  He said she wasnt a friendly but was the hottest of her roomates.

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I'd forgotten that just a couple of years ago, Dom was in the same situation, and could have given up the final immunity to make fire against Wendell and try to keep him out of the finale. He didn't, and lost.

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Just finished watching. Worst possible outcome ever. Victoria is the true winner.

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9 hours ago, Mr. Mojo said:

I couldn't agree more. 

Let's take the two of the most obnoxious game show players in history and glorify them every week???? :X

I'll pass on the whole season.

Clearly, they don't run these ideas by focus groups cuz this one would have been shot down before they can utter "Rob".

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11 hours ago, dhockster said:

Devens blew his chance by giving Chris half the idol.

Devens screwed up bigtime at the Final 5 by not sitting on his idol and getting Gavin voted out.

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Just now, Mr.Pack said:

Devens screwed up bigtime at the Final 5 by not sitting on his idol and getting Gavin voted out.

Gavin didn't get any votes against him :confused: 

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Just now, Walking Boot said:

Gavin didn't get any votes against him :confused: 

I know, but Devens and Chris should have conspired to get Gavin out. If he only puts one of the fake idols out there as well, they can get one of the girls on board and get Gavin out.

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22 hours ago, Walking Boot said:

:lmao: at those Boston Rob and Sandra statues

Come on

That whole premise seems ridiculous 

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Given the choices, I’m cool with Chris winning. But what a weak final 3. When they asked Gavin what his biggest move was, he said “I made relationships...” so his biggest move was essentially the same as the first day of kindergarten. 

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Aubry and Aurora looked great after cleaning up at Ponderosa.

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