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23 hours ago, bryhamm said:

Pretty good article here

Eh, while it had some good points, criticizing the show because Kellee was voted off and Dan was not, as if the producers of the show decided that, makes it seem like the writer of that article has an axe to grind.  I also think failing to mention the two other women on the show who admitted on camera that they lied about Dan's actions so as to make him a bigger target was a mistake.  Assuming Dan is the bad guy in this whole story (I don't buy what Varner is saying, given his history), he can f off and fade into obscurity, but I think everyone should take a breath and hold off with their hot takes until we know more.  I know, in this day and age, people overreacting and jumping to conclusions right away for the sake of having a hot take is the norm, but I am sure there are reasons that CBS and Probst are not saying much thus far, and letting it play out a bit first seems like the way to go here. 

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On 12/14/2019 at 9:39 AM, Ghost Rider said:

Eh, while it had some good points, criticizing the show because Kellee was voted off and Dan was not, as if the producers of the show decided that, makes it seem like the writer of that article has an axe to grind.  I also think failing to mention the two other women on the show who admitted on camera that they lied about Dan's actions so as to make him a bigger target was a mistake.  Assuming Dan is the bad guy in this whole story (I don't buy what Varner is saying, given his history), he can f off and fade into obscurity, but I think everyone should take a breath and hold off with their hot takes until we know more.  I know, in this day and age, people overreacting and jumping to conclusions right away for the sake of having a hot take is the norm, but I am sure there are reasons that CBS and Probst are not saying much thus far, and letting it play out a bit first seems like the way to go here. 

I'll admit I haven't watched this show in ages. I wanted to watch it with the Legends and Boston Rob on as he was one of my favorites. Can't remember the last episode of this I watched. Getting back to the point I read abut this whole thing. The name sounded a bit familiar so I asked my buddy who's done some very small film work (Was in a movie awhile back with Vince Vaughn and became friendly with Tyrese Gibson and Paul Walker). He's also collaborated with Meek Mill and some others. 

Now to what he said. He told me he's heard of this Dan in the past.Couldn't tell you his clients but said he's heard some stories similar to this one in the past about the guy and some accusations from female clients (weren't named) as well as Male but nothing could get him pinned dead to rights on anything. He has a pretty dam good lawyer as well and usually anything was settled out of court or thrown out privately. From what I've heard about this guy he's your typical Hollywood elitist who thinks he can do no wrong and gets whatever he wants. The problem is he went after a girl who wasn't falling for his tricks

He said the inappropriate touching happens in Hollywood big time and the whole METOO movement is only the tip of the iceberg. So many more actors and actress's and Hollywood people need to come out on the abusive behavior by expects, producers, directors and even co-stars. There's also been mentions of names dropped who traveled to Epstiens island and numerous child abuse and trafficking claims but given it's the elite nothing will be pinned on them. people are paid off constantly and people threatened and too afraid to speak. 

Onto the actual show now I haven't watched so my opinion is based on what I've read and heard. Kellee mentioned Dan's inappropriate behavior the first episode correct? Producers warned him from what I read. The second accusations no matter what should've taken him off the show. I disagree with the article above which is one of the first I read about just holding him out of Challenges and other things with physical contact. What does that really solve? Nothing. Either keep your hands to yourself and or your ### is off the show that simple. For the two other girls who admitted to lying I can't without seeing the show or hearing from them determine if they really are telling the truth about lying about it or not. I will say with $1M on the line one can believe the girls had similar situations with Dan but were afraid to be victimized and off the show as well. Kellee made for an easier target now to vote off. Jeff Probst is pretty active on Twitter defending the show numerous times or interactive with the fans no matter what but he's been very quiet. He either can't speak do to legal ramifications or he's completely embarrassed how CBS handled things and believes he could've done more to protect the show and the cast involved especially Kellee. His hands were probably tied by CBS and producers. It's just a terrible look for the show that they went this long with keeping Dan on the show. 

The fact the final interview segment is not live and Dan is not even part of the final episodes raises a lot of eyebrows. This is really one of the few "Reality/Game Shows" I actually have enjoyed when I've had the time to put into watching a full season. I put those in quotes as I believe Survivor is way more Genuine with live reactions and stuff then shows like Duck Dynasty, Jersey Shore and other shows of it's kind where they've been incredible exposed. Contestants are suppose to be protected. I remember one contestant years ago in one of the first 3-4 seasons (Forget the season and member) who got severe burns from accidentally falling into the fire. They did an amazing job getting him off the island and making sure people were safe and all. 

Overall it's a bad look for the show. Hopefully it's a good lessoned learned by all here. And Honestly all I got to say about CBS is if that was my daughter who went through that what I'd do I'd be in jail for an VERY VERY LONG TIME. I don't fault Probst as much though because I guinely feel he had his hands tied and feels awful about the situation where CBS just wanted the ratings off of the issues. 

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Any guesses on the winner? If I was a betting man, my money would be on Tommy but I really don't have any idea.

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6 minutes ago, UncleZen said:

Any guesses on the winner? If I was a betting man, my money would be on Tommy but I really don't have any idea.

Really depends who wins immunity.  Tommy, Dean and Noura should ALL want to get rid of Janet and Lauren, so you'd think that's what would happen if not for idols.  Noura's 100% goat -- so chalk would have it be Tommy or Dean.  Too close to call, but I think Dean's had a slightly better game IMO.

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Are they going to pre-empt the episode and show this impeachment vote?  If so will they move it to another channel? 

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14 minutes ago, PinkydaPimp said:

Are they going to pre-empt the episode and show this impeachment vote?  If so will they move it to another channel? 

Just wandering the same thing.

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Hello, audio?

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Tough vote there on Janet or Lauren.. If I was Dean for jury votes here is how I'd of played it...

Give Janet the HI he had and explain to her Tommy's plan to oust her.. Have her play both HI's and :bye: Lauren..

Big time jury play, Tommy and Lauren have no idea you saved Janet so they both believe you tried to save her.. And well Noura is still :crazy: 

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Dean should win.. They've been out to get him since 10 so to last to final 3 and make the moves he did :thumbup:

Noura may get a vote, but it should be down to snaky Tommy or "survivor" Dean...

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I only watched a little of last week and tonight, but Noura is more than a bit nutty.  It was so obvious that she had no chance to win, and I think that realization hit her during the whole jury questioning section.  I thought Dean would win, based on what I had seen, which again was not much. 

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1 minute ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

And pay her $1M for this season.

oh i am willing to bet she got compensated in some way.  She could sue the #### out of CBS.

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I'd have voted for Dean, but I think he suffered from most of his good game play coming after most of the jury had been voted out.  I kind of wonder how many of them would change their votes watching the season back.  Tommy deserved to lose just for repeatedly going to Dean with the last Idol clues.

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Yeah, Kelly got a nice fat check for sure. They're in full CYA mode.

My dad, brother and I were dying over the Sia awards. Jamal thinks he's making out like a bandit with 15k and them Elaine and Janet get 100k each.

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3 hours ago, Mjolnirs said:

Hello, audio?

So did anyone else have audio issues at the beginning?  From the start of the show until Rob and Sandra left them, I had no audio. 

23 minutes ago, TLEF316 said:

Yeah, Kelly got a nice fat check for sure. They're in full CYA mode.

My dad, brother and I were dying over the Sia awards. Jamal thinks he's making out like a bandit with 15k and them Elaine and Janet get 100k each.

We laughed at that as well. 

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1 hour ago, TLEF316 said:

Yeah, Kelly got a nice fat check for sure. They're in full CYA mode.

My dad, brother and I were dying over the Sia awards. Jamal thinks he's making out like a bandit with 15k and them Elaine and Janet get 100k each.

Yeah where in the world does that $15K figure even come from?  Sia:  I’m gonna give away $215K....now let me think how I should split that up. 

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After watching the season back on TV, I wonder how many of those that voted for Tommy regret that decision.  

He was with numbers for most of the season.  Didn't win or find anything.  He ratted out basically everyone while promising them loyalty to the end.  Every single secret told to him was provided to anyone he felt could help him in that particular moment.  His handling of the last idol and Dean was just laughable.  

Dean, on the other hand, was at/near the bottom of many votes.  He peaked at the perfect time and played a great game.  

The best thing Tommy did (and it won him the game) was he got to know everyone.  He seemed to have some sort of relationship with just about everyone else.  Dean did not.  Noara did not.  

I thought Tommy was least deserving of the three, including Noara.  He was right to help Dean make fire over Lauren, though. She would have won imo.  

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When Noura stopped and thought about things it turned out she understood the game after all.  She nailed her big choice -- getting rid of Lauren and picking Dean to knock her out with fire.  And she had some decent insights in front of the jury as well.  Her problem was she just couldn't shut up and was way too impulsive in the moment. 

Asking Dean "have you ever dated a crazy girl?" was a season highlight.

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11 hours ago, snogger said:

Tough vote there on Janet or Lauren.. If I was Dean for jury votes here is how I'd of played it...

Give Janet the HI he had and explain to her Tommy's plan to oust her.. Have her play both HI's and :bye: Lauren..

Yeah, I thought Dean misplayed his hand there.  He had an opportunity to do something for the jury in real time (not bringing it to light in the final TC).  His HII ended up being worthless. 

If he wanted to be ruthless, he could have given Lauren his idol and then used the nullifier on her.  But he was right to vote out Janet.  She would have probably won the fire challenge.  

It would have been funny if he would have given Tommy his idol (since Tommy claimed it should be his anyway because he found the first clue) and then used his nullifier against Tommy.  That would have been cool to see Tommy's emotions go from :D to :angry:.   

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4 minutes ago, Jayrok said:

After watching the season back on TV, I wonder how many of those that voted for Tommy regret that decision.  

He was with numbers for most of the season.  Didn't win or find anything.  He ratted out basically everyone while promising them loyalty to the end.  Every single secret told to him was provided to anyone he felt could help him in that particular moment.  His handling of the last idol and Dean was just laughable.  

Dean, on the other hand, was at/near the bottom of many votes.  He peaked at the perfect time and played a great game.  

The best thing Tommy did (and it won him the game) was he got to know everyone.  He seemed to have some sort of relationship with just about everyone else.  Dean did not.  Noara did not.  

I thought Tommy was least deserving of the three, including Noara.  He was right to help Dean make fire over Lauren, though. She would have won imo.  

I've watched every single Survivor episode and this was one of my least favorite seasons for various reasons, but what you touch on is what keeps me coming back and what keeps the show interesting for me.  Individuals on the jury all have their own unique motivations for voting for/against a winner.  Some like the social aspect and will vote for who played the best social game, some will vote for the underdog who made it to the end despite everyone trying to get rid of them, some will specifically vote against the person who blindsided them, etc., etc.  I found it funny that it was played up for the jury that Tommy had made final 2 deals with practically everyone post-merge and even Sandra mentioned how awesome that was for Tommy's game.  But in previous seasons, this exact strategy has backfired more than once as players started talking to one another and realized they were being two-timed.  It's caused people to be voted off numerous times over the years.  I made a guess of Dean winning 6-4 prior to the final votes being read, but the more I think about it, the more I"m OK with Tommy being the winner.  No doubt Dean played an incredible end-game, but Tommy played a more complete game from day 1 to day 39.

In general, I"m not a fan of returning players coming back in future seasons, but I'd agree that Kellee deserves another shot.  And Elaine was probably my favorite player this season, so I'm glad she got $100K from Sia.

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I didn't really like any of the final players and really disliked Dean but thought he probably deserved to win it all with his strong finish and having to fight to get even that far. He also seemed like he was killing the other 2 in the Q and A so was really surprised it wasn't even close.

Probably a bottom 3 season overall due to casting and all the social drama involved but still entertaining.

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8 hours ago, offdee said:

Yeah where in the world does that $15K figure even come from?  Sia:  I’m gonna give away $215K....now let me think how I should split that up. 

Tax level?  Maybe she thought $100k and the taxes were worth it on the other two, and he was just worth what she didn't have to pay taxes on.

1 hour ago, PlayaHata said:

And Elaine was probably my favorite player this season, so I'm glad she got $100K from Sia.

I second this.

 

Next season will be either a complete cluster or awesome ... I see no middle ground.

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9 hours ago, Kraft... said:

Worst winner ever IMO :shrug:

Worst season, not worst winner for me.  Tommy was a fine winner.

Worst Winners, Fabio, Natalie, Vecepia, Sandra, Jenna

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5 minutes ago, Mjolnirs said:

Next season will be either a complete cluster or awesome ... I see no middle ground.

Please no Rob or Sandra in the final 3.

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So assuming the jury is open minded when they go to final tribal, do you think Janet or Lauren would have been able to put up as good a case for winning as Tommy? I thought Tommy told his story very well, and I don't know if Janet or Lauren would have been able to tell their stories as well. Unless it is truly a popularity contest, Dean might have had a better shot at winning against one of the other two.

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49 minutes ago, rick6668 said:

Please no Rob or Sandra in the final 3.

That wish is most likely going to be fulfilled 

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Going into the final tribal I thought Dean had it easily.  He seemed to make more moves and was always playing and winning immunities and making moves. Noura was just a placeholder and I never really saw Tommy as much of a threat.  For game play I thought Dean should have easily won.  However, Tommy pleaded his case very well and Noura actually had a moment or two of coherency that made me think she was going to get at least a vote.  In the end I didn't have a problem with either Tommy or Dean winning however I would have voted for Dean.  Noura is just a flighty idiot and was still just a placeholder.

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1 hour ago, Gally said:

Going into the final tribal I thought Dean had it easily.  He seemed to make more moves and was always playing and winning immunities and making moves. Noura was just a placeholder and I never really saw Tommy as much of a threat.  For game play I thought Dean should have easily won.  However, Tommy pleaded his case very well and Noura actually had a moment or two of coherency that made me think she was going to get at least a vote.  In the end I didn't have a problem with either Tommy or Dean winning however I would have voted for Dean.  Noura is just a flighty idiot and was still just a placeholder.

I don't think Noura was an idiot or a placeholder. Noura won the most individual immunity challenges (three). She could create chaos when she felt it would help her, and it usually did. She was a wild card, and she could make other contestants' heads spin. She could be mildy entertaining, but she could also be obnoxious with her babbling nonsense, and it seemed to annoy the castaways sometimes. Her personality is nutty, but she was competitive throughout the game. 

I would have voted for Tommy. He didn't win challenges, but he was always plotting. He was very good at gaining trust, and had many believing he would be taking them to the end.  He played a game on his strengths, and it worked for him.  I felt Dean wasn't very social for most of the game, and just hung out. A castaway commented about him just sitting around all the time running his fingers through his hair. He did do well at the end, but I consider him more of a placeholder in the big picture than Tommy or Noura.  That is just my observation. 

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Jack is subbing at my son’s school and all the teachers love him. We are in RI and apparently he moved here because he is dating Elizabeth who is from our hometown.

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13 hours ago, Kraft... said:

Worst winner ever IMO :shrug:

Yeah, for me Survivor is all about finding idols and winning immunity challenges.  The social and strategic part are definitely important too, but I think the "game" is more predicated on SURVIVING.  Which Tommy did none of, and which Dean blasted through when it counted most.

Terrible season marred by poor casting and the whole Dan Touchy-Feely BS.  

And now we have to look forward to a season of rehashes?  I don't care if they're winners or not.  Go back to what made the show awesome.

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8 hours ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Asking Dean "have you ever dated a crazy girl?" was a season highlight.

Also that one time she actually did shut up for a split second. In mid thought during an interview when she spotted Dean on the beach. :pics:

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In the end, I didn't mind the whole Rob/Sandra thing as much as I thought I would. I mean, it was cheesy and all, but I thought they were going to be involved more than they ended up being. 

 

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3 hours ago, simey said:

I don't think Noura was an idiot or a placeholder. Noura won the most individual immunity challenges (three). She could create chaos when she felt it would help her, and it usually did. She was a wild card, and she could make other contestants' heads spin. She could be mildy entertaining, but she could also be obnoxious with her babbling nonsense, and it seemed to annoy the castaways sometimes. Her personality is nutty, but she was competitive throughout the game. 

I would have voted for Tommy. He didn't win challenges, but he was always plotting. He was very good at gaining trust, and had many believing he would be taking them to the end.  He played a game on his strengths, and it worked for him.  I felt Dean wasn't very social for most of the game, and just hung out. A castaway commented about him just sitting around all the time running his fingers through his hair. He did do well at the end, but I consider him more of a placeholder in the big picture than Tommy or Noura.  That is just my observation. 

I think Noura spoke decently during the final inquisition but I still think she is basically an idiot.  As far as a placeholder, it was fairly obvious that none of the jury would vote for her based on comments throughout the game.  They were all using her as a pawn and nobody had any thoughts of her actually getting votes.....and that turned out to be true. 

 

I do give her a little more credit now and she was good at certain challenge types but overall she only made it as far as she did because everyone thought she would be a non-factor when it came to the final vote. 

 

I also disagree about Dean not being very social.  He was social enough to keep sticking around and then powered through the late immunity challenges and became a force.  For me he did enough in all aspects of the game to warrant winning.  I don't have an issue with Tommy winning as his game played well but for me he needed to have a little more resume in challenge winning to overtake what Dean did. 

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So now CBS has said that they will remove a player if another player alleges misconduct?  No way that could ever go wrong.

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18 hours ago, Kraft... said:

Worst winner ever IMO :shrug:

Wait.

 

Just last season the winner got voted out in episode three(?), didn't have to do anything, and didn't return to the game until the last episode. That's the worst winner ever.

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I'm going to forget Tommy ever existed before the end of the year. The social discussion and touchy-feely Dan is what I'll remember.

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27 minutes ago, EYLive said:

I'm going to forget Tommy ever existed before the end of the year. The social discussion and touchy-feely Dan is what I'll remember.

 

To be fair I've forgotten about a lot of the winners. Most of the recent winners of the last dozen or so seasons have not been people I've rooted for. The type of person who wins nowadays is not the type of person I enjoy watching, I guess. Seems like the people I like make it to final 4/5/6 then lose. I'm sure that's partly editing, and, partly, why the final episode starts with so many people left instead of just 3 or 4.

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My spittake moment of the episode was when Dean cited Noura's stoicism as a reason for taking her on the food reward. :lmao: :lmao: 

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I remember thinking this during the finale, but, it was overshadowed by everything else, which is even more an indictment of the gimmick: how bad and irrelevant to the game was the theme of "Island of the Idols" that the winner never went? 

Not only was it not used in half the episodes, but, Tommy won without their "advice". 

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On 12/19/2019 at 6:21 PM, Walking Boot said:

Wait.

 

Just last season the winner got voted out in episode three(?), didn't have to do anything, and didn't return to the game until the last episode. That's the worst winner ever.

I don’t get all the Dean love. He literally did nothing and would have been voted out if Kelley hadn’t had her dumb plan of hoping Noura wouldn’t narc on her. Dean was almost like the guy from last season who was a non factor until the last couple episodes. No chance I would have voted for him.

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Survivor really trying too hard to push social issues.  This is a reality tv show that started with a naked guy..

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Was there any reason given at the reunion for everyone to lie about what Island of the Idols was about? And why they came up with cover stories? 

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10 minutes ago, stlrams said:

Survivor really trying too hard to push social issues.  This is a reality tv show that started with a naked guy..

I agree, but, it's also obvious something has to change. Otherwise the competition will become 'who can put up with the most harassment?', because if the girls this season were going to use it to get farther, no reason some future guy won't start harassing people hoping to get them to quit. 

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3 minutes ago, Walking Boot said:

Was there any reason given at the reunion for everyone to lie about what Island of the Idols was about? And why they came up with cover stories? 

Since almost everyone in the final 8 or so went there, they all pretty much knew everyone else lied so they kept lying. Also, none of the advantages from there actually mattered. 

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45 minutes ago, Walking Boot said:

I agree, but, it's also obvious something has to change. Otherwise the competition will become 'who can put up with the most harassment?', because if the girls this season were going to use it to get farther, no reason some future guy won't start harassing people hoping to get them to quit. 

So how far do you take it?  What if karisma told producers that she was getting bullied and didn’t feel comfortable.  Do you remove missy?  It’s a rainy cold night night so I’m guessing all the guys must sleep together.  There are countless situations someone can push cbs to step in..

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