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Oh Christ. The woke season continues.

Now 2 black people winning immunity at the same time is cause for a big speech?

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6 minutes ago, TLEF316 said:

Oh Christ. The woke season continues.

Now 2 black people winning immunity at the same time is cause for a big speech?

Bye Felicia...

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Both deserved the walk after last week.. Only 1 to go.. And just how stupid is Missy?.. "you were the 3rd one Elaine?"

Well, no bleep, who else would have been the 3rd one, your partner ???  :lol:

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3 hours ago, Statorama said:

It's like when someone starts off a story by saying "Look, I'm not racist or anything but....." Get ready for lots and lots of racism

Is it racism when blacks and Indians hate each other?

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11 minutes ago, snogger said:

Both deserved the walk after last week.. Only 1 to go.. And just how stupid is Missy?.. "you were the 3rd one Elaine?"

Well, no bleep, who else would have been the 3rd one, your partner ???  :lol:

How about “I wasn’t coming for you Tommy.” Who did you vote for then?

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Love this new twist, wish they keep it for every season or most of the future seasons... but how about this goes down as they merge???

Missy is so full of herself.. wonder why she didn't mention to Jeff that this must be the first time two African-American people got voted out?

Krishna is useless which brings me to my next point of has a lawyer ever done well on Survivor?  I recall some lawyer made it to the final 3 recently but didn't win.  They just do not know when to shut up.

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9 minutes ago, CanadianNFLJunkie said:

has a lawyer ever done well on Survivor?  I recall some lawyer made it to the final 3 recently but didn't win.  They just do not know when to shut up.

Yul Kwon won Survivor

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2 hours ago, RG623 said:

How about “I wasn’t coming for you Tommy.” Who did you vote for then?

Yeah, what was that about?  

And what's with the long goodbye and whispering after she was voted out.  The person is supposed to leave immediately.  

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5 hours ago, snogger said:

Both deserved the walk after last week.. Only 1 to go.. And just how stupid is Missy?.. "you were the 3rd one Elaine?"

Well, no bleep, who else would have been the 3rd one, your partner ???  :lol:

 

5 hours ago, RG623 said:

How about “I wasn’t coming for you Tommy.” Who did you vote for then?

Both had me shaking my head and laughing. Just sounded dense. 

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Great episode mostly because 2 of the cast I couldn't stand got voted off in blindside fashion. Sucks that Karishma found an idol but at least she didn't fall for Missy's BS. Not sure WTH Missy was talking about on her exit speech but glad we don't have to hear from her again until the reunion show 

Also great watching Noura cost her team a shot at food by instantly celebrating her immunity win.

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Yeah, Noura is oblivious to the world of clues.  She doesn't listen to instructions when they can be of obvious benefit.  All she heard was PB&J sandwiches to the winners group.  Yay, I won!!  huh?  Oh well, I WON!!  

Glad missy is gone.  I believe Jamal somehow slipped her a note before that TC to tell her to give that history lesson on African-American participants.  The scowl on his face the whole time was priceless.  

Someone should do a montage of the lost look face of Elizabeth throughout the season. She's always shocked by what's going on.  

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Also love the twist of sending two tribes to TC with no time to get with their alliances (if in the other group) to formulate a vote.  They need to do this more often.  It gives single players on the outs a better chance to make a move. I believe this certainly hurt missy as she seemed fairly secure in the single larger group.  

Aaron may have thought he'd just win all the immunity challenges.  They never showed him out looking for idols.  Of course he may have and they didn't show it, but you can't win them all. 

 

 

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12 hours ago, TLEF316 said:

Now 2 black people winning immunity at the same time is cause for a big speech?

Survivor isn't like MLB where African-Americans weren't allowed to play for the first 75 years.  

Meet Missy, the Jackie Robinson of survivor.  

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13 hours ago, RG623 said:

 

14 hours ago, snogger said:

Both deserved the walk after last week.. Only 1 to go.. And just how stupid is Missy?.. "you were the 3rd one Elaine?"

Well, no bleep, who else would have been the 3rd one, your partner ???  :lol:

How about “I wasn’t coming for you Tommy.” Who did you vote for then?

 

Lol. Those were comical. Is she really that stupid? 5 votes and everyone knew instantly what happened and she’s trying to say she wasn’t coming after him and she didn’t know who the 3rd vote was?

Almost mystifying when you think that we just watch the 40 minute show and she was living the vote counts for hours before tribal.

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13 hours ago, CanadianNFLJunkie said:

Love this new twist, wish they keep it for every season or most of the future seasons... but how about this goes down as they merge???

Missy is so full of herself.. wonder why she didn't mention to Jeff that this must be the first time two African-American people got voted out?

Krishna is useless which brings me to my next point of has a lawyer ever done well on Survivor?  I recall some lawyer made it to the final 3 recently but didn't win.  They just do not know when to shut up.

The voting twist was cool.

I cannot stand Karishma and he lazy ### finding an idol screams producers placing them for certain people. They know she’s going to pickup coconuts and it’s in a ridiculously obvious place on their path. How would so many people miss it but lazy finds it in seconds?

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21 hours ago, jhib said:

 

It appears that way sometimes, but I think it's more likely another artifact of the editing.  I'm sure there are plenty of squabbles we don't see, tons of idol-searching that they don't show, and more people at risk to go home than we generally think.  So when someone finds an idol, it's easy for editors to go back and find a way to make that person seem more in danger than they otherwise would.

 

After last night, there’s no way you can convince me that they aren’t placed for specific people or the hope that those people will find them. Karishma is a lightning rod, so they want to keep her. The idol is literally in the one place she would find and it was on the path (Noura mentioned that) where the coconuts were sitting. That “path” is likely high traffic so no one else saw it? It was sitting in the one place she would bend down and knowing how lazy she is, it’s in the only place she might find one.

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18 minutes ago, stbugs said:

After last night, there’s no way you can convince me that they aren’t placed for specific people or the hope that those people will find them. Karishma is a lightning rod, so they want to keep her. The idol is literally in the one place she would find and it was on the path (Noura mentioned that) where the coconuts were sitting. That “path” is likely high traffic so no one else saw it? It was sitting in the one place she would bend down and knowing how lazy she is, it’s in the only place she might find one.

You can choose to live in ignorance, that's fine. :thumbup:

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8 minutes ago, Walking Boot said:

You can choose to live in ignorance, that's fine. :thumbup:

Lol. Living in ignorance is believing every bit of the show is completely random and Jeff and the other producers are 100% hands off. They are making a TV show with ratings. Don’t act like there could never be pre-meditated thoughts on where to place an idol. They aren’t handing them out, but if they know someone is going to pick up coconuts along the path, it’s not hard to put one right where they’d look if bending down. They literally showed us how everyone thought she was the laziest person on the planet and you think it’s coincidence that the only searching she did was bending down to pick up a coconut? Talking about living in ignorance. Timing wise it comes right before a tribal (happened to be 2) where she was an obvious target. Wow, what a blindside that would be knowing everyone’s assuming she can’t have an idol without ever looking.

I’m not saying that they sign NDAs and just hand them out but they know the places these folks would go and do go so it’s not difficult to put them in a spot with a high percentage chance it goes to the person they want to have it. I didn’t always think that but I do now that they seem to always be in play. 

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I'm not naive enough to think that the producers haven't always taken some liberties with the game for ratings. But its now at the point of absurdity. Don't make a point to have Jeff say "we'll draw randomly for spots" when doing some sort of balance challenge (so that nobody can complain about differences between the mechanisms, or the wind, or whatever) and then expect me to believe that Karishma 100% randomly found that HII.

I'm sure they cover themselves legally with the contestants by inserting some sort of "producers have 100% discretion over game mechanics" language into the agreement that the players sign, but if I'm the person that gets voted out because of that II (which may not happen, as she'll probably get dragged to the end as a GOAT at this point) and it costs me a shot at $1 Mil, I'm pretty ####### pissed when I see how she got it.  (to the point where I'd consider legal action)  Same way I'm LIVID if I'm Jamal and  lose my vote in the stupid way he did last week. 

Its one thing to nudge things in a direction you want (picking a specific challenge for a certain time so that the person you want to keep around has the best chance at immunity) but when you're basically planting an idol in the 1 spot where you know the game's laziest player might see it, that's so messed up.

Been watching the show since day 1, but this really hurts my enjoyment.

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1 hour ago, TLEF316 said:

I'm not naive enough to think that the producers haven't always taken some liberties with the game for ratings. But its now at the point of absurdity. Don't make a point to have Jeff say "we'll draw randomly for spots" when doing some sort of balance challenge (so that nobody can complain about differences between the mechanisms, or the wind, or whatever) and then expect me to believe that Karishma 100% randomly found that HII.

I'm sure they cover themselves legally with the contestants by inserting some sort of "producers have 100% discretion over game mechanics" language into the agreement that the players sign, but if I'm the person that gets voted out because of that II (which may not happen, as she'll probably get dragged to the end as a GOAT at this point) and it costs me a shot at $1 Mil, I'm pretty ####### pissed when I see how she got it.  (to the point where I'd consider legal action)  Same way I'm LIVID if I'm Jamal and  lose my vote in the stupid way he did last week. 

Its one thing to nudge things in a direction you want (picking a specific challenge for a certain time so that the person you want to keep around has the best chance at immunity) but when you're basically planting an idol in the 1 spot where you know the game's laziest player might see it, that's so messed up.

Been watching the show since day 1, but this really hurts my enjoyment.

Just like when they hid an idol in the place where Ben hung out every morning when he needed it the most. Survivor is edited I'm sure they do multiply things to help favorites along.  Watch some live feeds of BB sometime.

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I did appreciate that it was tough to tell who Karisma ultimately would vote for, since the animosity displayed between her and Missy at tribal council was exactly what Missy told her to do if she was actually voting for Tommy. 

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The best part is Krishma wasn't even looking for an idol and yet one fell into her lap anyway. This is Big Brother level of tampering.

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30 minutes ago, EYLive said:

The best part is Krishma wasn't even looking for an idol and yet one fell into her lap anyway. This is Big Brother level of tampering.

Is it possible she found an idol meant for someone else.  I understand the suspicion, but I don't understand why they would want her to find an idol.  First of all, she's final 3 for sure.  She sucks at everything, and everyone hates her.  Why would anyone vote her out?  Also, I can't imagine she's a ratings bonanza.  I can't find a reason producers would want her to find an idol.

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7 minutes ago, Zigg said:

Is it possible she found an idol meant for someone else.  I understand the suspicion, but I don't understand why they would want her to find an idol.  First of all, she's final 3 for sure.  She sucks at everything, and everyone hates her.  Why would anyone vote her out?  Also, I can't imagine she's a ratings bonanza.  I can't find a reason producers would want her to find an idol.

You saw how she was #1 on everyone's list to go right? Janet was #2. Noura even had a full explanation why they wanted her gone. It was all in last night's episode.

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34 minutes ago, Zigg said:

  I understand the suspicion, but I don't understand why they would want her to find an idol.  First of all, she's final 3 for sure.  She sucks at everything, and everyone hates her.  Why would anyone vote her out?  Also, I can't imagine she's a ratings bonanza.  I can't find a reason producers would want her to find an idol.

They wanted her to find an idol to help in getting hid of 4 people they don't want to win. 

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26 minutes ago, EYLive said:

You saw how she was #1 on everyone's list to go right? Janet was #2. Noura even had a full explanation why they wanted her gone. It was all in last night's episode.

They’ll talk about it every week, and they’ll always find a reason to keep her. Hope I’m wrong.

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6 hours ago, stbugs said:

Lol. Living in ignorance is believing every bit of the show is completely random and Jeff and the other producers are 100% hands off. They are making a TV show with ratings. Don’t act like there could never be pre-meditated thoughts on where to place an idol. They aren’t handing them out, but if they know someone is going to pick up coconuts along the path, it’s not hard to put one right where they’d look if bending down. They literally showed us how everyone thought she was the laziest person on the planet and you think it’s coincidence that the only searching she did was bending down to pick up a coconut? Talking about living in ignorance. Timing wise it comes right before a tribal (happened to be 2) where she was an obvious target. Wow, what a blindside that would be knowing everyone’s assuming she can’t have an idol without ever looking.

I’m not saying that they sign NDAs and just hand them out but they know the places these folks would go and do go so it’s not difficult to put them in a spot with a high percentage chance it goes to the person they want to have it. I didn’t always think that but I do now that they seem to always be in play. 

Do you think they heard them telling her to go get Coconut's on the trail and quickly ran in front of her to place it??? Or maybe they hid it, then told others Krisma   is so lazy, you should send her down the path.. Or maybe, as she was  walking the path, they sent a messenger pigeon towards her on the location of the idol :confused:

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55 minutes ago, EYLive said:

You saw how she was #1 on everyone's list to go right? Janet was #2. Noura even had a full explanation why they wanted her gone. It was all in last night's episode.

And yet, with no one knowing she had an idol, she didn't receive one vote.. Producers must have put the bug in their ear to go after Missy.. 

I think some need to walk away before you start believing other conspiracy theory like.. The NFL is fixed, it's the only reason the Patriots keep winning... Or maybe you already do :oldunsure: 

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31 minutes ago, Zigg said:

They’ll talk about it every week, and they’ll always find a reason to keep her. Hope I’m wrong.

:goodposting:I mentioned this weeks ago.. She is this seasons drag to the final 3.. As you mentioned, someone will continue to say "she is so lazy we need to get rid of her". And then come vote time they'll vote someone else out as they know she isn't a threat to win anything. 

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23 minutes ago, snogger said:

Producers must have put the bug in their ear to go after Missy.. 

They do it on BB.

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18 minutes ago, snogger said:

Do you think they heard them telling her to go get Coconut's on the trail and quickly ran in front of her to place it??? Or maybe they hid it, then told others Krisma   is so lazy, you should send her down the path.. Or maybe, as she was  walking the path, they sent a messenger pigeon towards her on the location of the idol :confused:

It took her an hour to collect coconuts and accidentally find the idol, so honestly there was enough time.

We aren’t saying they are telling people where to look but honestly you are being really naive if you don’t think they consciously put idols in specific places. As mentioned above, the season that PTSD marine (Ben) won they created a new twist to keep him in the final 3.

The show folks are all on headsets, they can communicate anything and there’s no regulations on when an where idols get placed. Don’t kid yourself into thinking there isn’t a gray area that Burnett et al don’t take advantage of when they want. 

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11 minutes ago, Mile High said:

They do it on BB.

But a guy like Mark Burnett would never stoop to that level. I mean Celebrity Apprentice and Audrina are shows on the level of 60 Minutes. To even suggest that Burnett and Probst are more interested in producing an entertaining product than spreading the truth is akin to calling Gandhi a poser. 

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36 minutes ago, snogger said:

And yet, with no one knowing she had an idol, she didn't receive one vote.. Producers must have put the bug in their ear to go after Missy.. 

I think some need to walk away before you start believing other conspiracy theory like.. The NFL is fixed, it's the only reason the Patriots keep winning... Or maybe you already do :oldunsure: 

Lol at comparing rigging the NFL to rigging an edited reality TV show. While I do think that it’s pretty easy for refs to have way too much of an impact (like gifting GB a win over Detroit), comparing the two things is laughable. 

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15 minutes ago, stbugs said:

It took her an hour to collect coconuts and accidentally find the idol, so honestly there was enough time.

We aren’t saying they are telling people where to look but honestly you are being really naive if you don’t think they consciously put idols in specific places. As mentioned above, the season that PTSD marine (Ben) won they created a new twist to keep him in the final 3.

The show folks are all on headsets, they can communicate anything and there’s no regulations on when an where idols get placed. Don’t kid yourself into thinking there isn’t a gray area that Burnett et al don’t take advantage of when they want. 

that idol could have been placed there a week ago for all we know.. as we've seen people always go quite a ways from camp searching, most would never think of searching right next to the path they all walk everyday.

And again, no one has mentioned why the heck the producers would risk fixing the game for someone that is obviously being dragged along due to not being a threat. :shrug:

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3 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Lol at comparing rigging the NFL to rigging an edited reality TV show. While I do think that it’s pretty easy for refs to have way too much of an impact (like gifting GB a win over Detroit), comparing the two things is laughable. 

I wasn't comparing them  as much as I was joking that once you start believing one conspiracy theory, the :tinfoilhat: starts to fit a little to comfortable and you start down a path you might not return from. ;)

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8 minutes ago, snogger said:

And again, no one has mentioned why the heck the producers would risk fixing the game for someone that is obviously being dragged along due to not being a threat. :shrug:

To help in getting rid of Missy, Aaron, Elizabeth or Dan?

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5 minutes ago, Mile High said:

To help in getting rid of Missy, Aaron, Elizabeth or Dan?

IMO,  If they really wanted to fix it, they'd want to do everything in their power to get her voted out to stop this drag along player that happens every season now. :shrug:

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6 minutes ago, snogger said:

that idol could have been placed there a week ago for all we know.. as we've seen people always go quite a ways from camp searching, most would never think of searching right next to the path they all walk everyday.

And again, no one has mentioned why the heck the producers would risk fixing the game for someone that is obviously being dragged along due to not being a threat. :shrug:

She’s been talked about being voted out a bunch. As mentioned earlier Noura had her on the chopping block before the immunity challenge. Now I would believe the random picking of groups so if Karishma was on the other team instead of being the swing vote, she might have been in trouble. She found the idol before the immunity challenge and at that point Missy and Tommy weren’t discussed as going home, only her. Even Janet wasn’t really discussed until the immunity challenge.

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8 minutes ago, snogger said:

IMO,  If they really wanted to fix it, they'd want to do everything in their power to get her voted oyt to stop this drag along player that happens every season now. :shrug:

Imo  at the time they cared more about making sure one of those 4 I mentioned wasn't the winner of season 39

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7 minutes ago, snogger said:

I wasn't comparing them  as much as I was joking that once you start believing one conspiracy theory, the :tinfoilhat: starts to fit a little to comfortable and you start down a path you might not return from. ;)

Gotcha, but I think it might be more “conspiracy” to think that Survivor would never have producers trying to keep fan favorites or disruptive people in play to keep ratings up. 

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At the end of the day you have to ask yourself.... "Are you not entertained!?!?!?"..

based on the responses this week here, the answer is Heck Yes!!!!! :popcorn:

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1 hour ago, Zigg said:

They’ll talk about it every week, and they’ll always find a reason to keep her. Hope I’m wrong.

True. There are these weird cycles for underdogs: s/he's good as gone - someone else makes themselves a bigger target - back to being bottom of totem pole - safe due to merge/swap/med-evac - becomes swing vote - becomes goat for someone else. I guess she's too obvious a choice.

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15 hours ago, Raging weasel said:

Great episode mostly because 2 of the cast I couldn't stand got voted off in blindside fashion. Sucks that Karishma found an idol but at least she didn't fall for Missy's BS. Not sure WTH Missy was talking about on her exit speech but glad we don't have to hear from her again until the reunion show 

Also great watching Noura cost her team a shot at food by instantly celebrating her immunity win.

What do you mean by her not falling for Missy’s bs?  Missy didn’t bs her ... she voted tommy like she said she was going to do.

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9 hours ago, stbugs said:

Lol. Living in ignorance is believing every bit of the show is completely random and Jeff and the other producers are 100% hands off. They are making a TV show with ratings. Don’t act like there could never be pre-meditated thoughts on where to place an idol. They aren’t handing them out, but if they know someone is going to pick up coconuts along the path, it’s not hard to put one right where they’d look if bending down. They literally showed us how everyone thought she was the laziest person on the planet and you think it’s coincidence that the only searching she did was bending down to pick up a coconut? Talking about living in ignorance. Timing wise it comes right before a tribal (happened to be 2) where she was an obvious target. Wow, what a blindside that would be knowing everyone’s assuming she can’t have an idol without ever looking.

I’m not saying that they sign NDAs and just hand them out but they know the places these folks would go and do go so it’s not difficult to put them in a spot with a high percentage chance it goes to the person they want to have it. I didn’t always think that but I do now that they seem to always be in play. 

Did you skip the part where she was asked to go look?  Did you skip the part where folks said she was gone for over an hour?

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