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Are the Jets tanking 2017 season intentionally? (1 Viewer)
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
They signed a few players. They are rebuilding for sure. They need to. The veterans they cut would no longer help this team and had bad contracts, and they had limited cap space. Those decisions were smart for building a team and not necessarily "tanking" (which doesn't really happen in the NFL).
Problem is 3 of 4 of these teams will probably want one of Darnoid, Josh Rosen or Josh Allen who all could be franchise type QB. Damn Mason Randolph and Luke Falk might be better than top QB this year. Great year to suck if you need QB
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
No. It's just the Jets.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
spider321
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
No, and last year this time people were jabbering about Rosen from USC, so Darnold as the next Elway might need to tap the brakes.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
No, and by getting McCown, it will likely bump them from being a bottom three team. They also aren't as cap room rich as some of the other sucky teams, so they really did not have much of a choice in regards to FA.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I don't know if you can say they are intentionally tanking the season but they have stated that they are open to trading down in every round of the draft and they have cut a ton of large salaries off their cap.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-open-trading-nfl-draft-article-1.2988285
Jets open to trading down in every round of NFL Draft
INDIANAPOLIS - General manager Mike Maccagnan ...
... "We're open for business every round," Maccagnan said Friday. "If somebody wants to move up and we have a pick in that round, call us up. Any pick."
The Jets are in full-fledged rebuilding mode coming off a five-win season. Maccagnan has slashed his payroll by $46 million in the past couple weeks with the idea of setting a proper foundation that could help this star-crossed franchise finally achieve sustainable success.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-open-trading-nfl-draft-article-1.2988285
Jets open to trading down in every round of NFL Draft
INDIANAPOLIS - General manager Mike Maccagnan ...
... "We're open for business every round," Maccagnan said Friday. "If somebody wants to move up and we have a pick in that round, call us up. Any pick."
The Jets are in full-fledged rebuilding mode coming off a five-win season. Maccagnan has slashed his payroll by $46 million in the past couple weeks with the idea of setting a proper foundation that could help this star-crossed franchise finally achieve sustainable success.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Could be wrong (obviously) but I think Chicago and the Rams don't get top 5 picks next year, possibly not top 10. Unless they get Cousins I agree with SF, then the jets.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
No. It's called rebuilding. A 33 year old WR and an unimpressive FA class won't help a rebuilding process
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Trading down isn't even remotely related to "tanking". They wouldn't be trading pick 6 for pick 24 straight up - they would just be looking to acquire more picks.
I know it's popular to think that teams "tank" - but this isn't the NBA. Even the poster child team for tanking, won their last two games of the season.
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By "some decent stretches", do you mean "a single 8 game stretch in a 13 year career"?
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Is this the ***OFFICIAL JETS 2017*** thread?
Nobody can tank in the NFL. If you are a player, you are an injury or a down year away from being out of the league unless you are an elite talent. The financial cost of tanking to a player makes purposeful losing a practical impossibility.
If you are a coach, assistant coach, or front office personnel- if you tank- you will never get another job.
In no way is Todd Bowles saying: "Well, yes I'm going to tank so we can get a high draft pick."
Tomorrow is promised to no one in the NFL.
Now- if the Jets are sitting at 2-11, is it possible that a more subtle proposition, such as sitting veterans and playing rookies, ensues- than yes, but it is absurd to suggest a full six months before the first game is even played that the Jets are tanking. The financial costs are simply too high for everyone.
If you are a coach, assistant coach, or front office personnel- if you tank- you will never get another job.
In no way is Todd Bowles saying: "Well, yes I'm going to tank so we can get a high draft pick."
Tomorrow is promised to no one in the NFL.
Now- if the Jets are sitting at 2-11, is it possible that a more subtle proposition, such as sitting veterans and playing rookies, ensues- than yes, but it is absurd to suggest a full six months before the first game is even played that the Jets are tanking. The financial costs are simply too high for everyone.
Braktastic
Footballguy
When Christian Hackenberg starts taking game snaps, you'll know for sure.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Let's just call this what this is, rebuilding.
When you rebuild a team you typically let your high priced veterans and close-to-retirement level players walk. You aren't super active in FA because you have your own garbage to deal with why spend money on someone else's. Rebuilding takes time. Teams typically do it in stages. You see this in the Chicago thread. I feel like some in there want the team to instantly be great. But some realize it takes time. The Jets need to see what they have in youth and how that plays into their plans to completely remake the team
Sure that means they won't win a lot of games next year, and maybe the year after, but they will accumulate some youth that will hopefully (for them) set themselves up for success for years.
I feel like we have this discussion when teams go from floundering in obscurity to finally admitting they need a complete rebuild. People accuse them of tanking. No. No one is tanking. They are rebuilding.
Does Brandon Marshall seriously factor into the 5 year plan in NY?
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Uh, no. Two of them
Compare McCown's 2015 (64%, 7.2ypa, 3:1 TD:INT ratio, 93.3 qb rating) to what you would expect out of Bryce Petty.
Well, he's two years older and apparently brittle as hell. So I'm pretty sure we'll get to see them both. And I guess his 2015 could count as a "decent stretch" but the fact that it was broken up with two different stretches of missed games kind of taints it in my mind. I know nobody likes Cutler, but I think they'd win more games with him than McCown/Petty. But now that I think about it, he's getting kind of brittle, too.Uh, no. Two of them
Compare McCown's 2015 (64%, 7.2ypa, 3:1 TD:INT ratio, 93.3 qb rating) to what you would expect out of Bryce Petty.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
They would maybe win 4 more games, at best, with Cutler - he is better than that tandem as a talent, yes, but is also a turnover machine (and brittle now as you said).
Sure if you want to say that they are "tanking" in that respect by not signing the very best available option, but what's the point in spending $16MM on an aging QB with a poor reputation of getting along with teammates just to go 6-10 or 7-9? That just doesn't make sense from a team building perspective.
I just don't understand why they'd sign anyone if they're shooting for 7-9 best case scenario. Does Roger require teams to at least pretend to make an effort? To me it just looks a lot like the Kerry Collins signing by Indy when they got Luck. And for the record, I'm not 100% sure what was going on there. Part of me agrees with you that there isn't tanking in the NFL, but part of me (with the benefit/bias of hindsight) thinks Indy did tank for Luck.
Either way, I empathize with you Jets fans. As a Texans fan I think the only difference between the two teams is that we're in an easier division. The level of management is similarly poor between the two teams.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Indy won their last two games that season almost costing them the No. 1 overall slot.
I think the Jets signed McCown as a glorified QB coach. They will give him a few starts and he'll either get injured and/or they will turn to Petty or Hack. They need to see if either of them have a future before deciding what to do long term. Obviously they realize that there are some highly regarded QBs coming out next year and are willing to admit that this will be a down year. I think what they are doing is necessary and frankly I'm a little shocked that Woody is letting it happen in NY.
steelers1080
Footballguy
The #1 spot is probably going to go to some surprising team with an injury, like if Rivers or Brees goes down early in the year. The Browns could be surprisingly good this year if their QB can play ok.
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Tanking comes from the very top. Owner level. 1st it requires a smart owner. Usually if you are a smart owner, you don't get into this predicament however. Bowles is not at all involved in a tanking scenario. He's simply a sacrifice. He has no say. The Jets are perfectly positioned right now for Sam Darnold. If I am the owner, I am making all the calls on FA signings.Ack88 said:
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
As opposed to accidentally? It's a tough call based on past seasons.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
clearly not:
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