Network Operations Center. Its a term that can be used fairly loosely but yeah you're right.Does your company run a NOC? From what I can tell, its a sort of combination help desk and data center operator...is that accurate?
SO what would those in the NOC do that is different than a computer operator?In larger shops, NOC and help desk are entirely separate and require different skill sets. In smaller companies/providers, they might overlap.
NOCs are usually the help desk for help desks. They are layer 2/3 support. They are monitoring the NMS, Syslog, and other systems to proactively provide support as well as provide engineering support for help desk workers.SO what would those in the NOC do that is different than a computer operator?
NOCs are usually the help desk for help desks. They are layer 2/3 support. They are monitoring the NMS, Syslog, and other systems to proactively provide support as well as provide engineering support for help desk workers.
So really they are probably a combination of network guys and sysadmin types?May vary by company, but more advanced than help desk, but not as advanced as engineers. Often in charge of various routine tasks in the data center, such as changing out tapes, faulty hard drives, etc, as well as network monitoring.
IT guys love to do things like "stand up a NOC" because everyone else is doing it.So really they are probably a combination of network guys and sysadmin types?
I guess what Im getting at is, there is talk of us standing up a NOC and when I look at our operations staff, there is no way its possible. In theory, the NOC would replace operations. They simply dont have anywhere near the skill set it sounds like is needed.
Our current operators dont do much other than monitoring. I dont know what they want from the NOC as its hasnt been rolled out, just hearing bits about thats what the director wants to start. Thats pretty much why I started this thread. Im trying to figure out what would be different than what we currently have.IT guys love to do things like "stand up a NOC" because everyone else is doing it.
What does your operations staff currently do? What do you want your NOC to do that isn't being done currently?
When you say "network guys", we aren't talking about guys who are going to be CCNA's, configure routers/switches, and troubleshoot major problems. Generally you're talking about people who can determine that there's a problem. Network monitoring isn't the most difficult thing in the world to learn. Anyone in operations should be able to pick up that skill.
"Should you be caught fixing the CIO's copy of Excel, his Secretary will disavow knowledge of your existence..."Does your company run a NOC? From what I can tell, its a sort of combination help desk and data center operator...is that accurate?
Not sure if there are enough guys, but the topic has been updated.Can this be the "***OFFICIAL IT Guys Thread***"??? Do we have enough FBG IT folks to justify one? I'm currently an IT of one at my place of employment, but looking to move on in the near future to work for an MSP or some larger company with interesting, complex infrastructures.
There's a lot of truth in thisYou just need a big TV with a bunch of graphs and green lights and a neckbeard to sit in a chair and look at them occasionally but mostly play an MMO on his laptop.
If so, can we all secretly admit that IT is a huge boondoggle?Can this be the "***OFFICIAL IT Guys Thread***"??? Do we have enough FBG IT folks to justify one? I'm currently an IT of one at my place of employment, but looking to move on in the near future to work for an MSP or some larger company with interesting, complex infrastructures.
When we don't have users clicking on "Your Microsoft password is about too expire. Click here too reset it now," then I will scream it from the rooftops.If so, can we all secretly admit that IT is a huge boondoggle?
Also, don't think the former CEO of Yahoo would agree, considering their major hack was a result of one employee succumbing to spearphising attempt. They might be considering a slight raise to their IT security and training budget.If so, can we all secretly admit that IT is a huge boondoggle?
Ugh MSP? You want to be in managed services? :XCan this be the "***OFFICIAL IT Guys Thread***"??? Do we have enough FBG IT folks to justify one? I'm currently an IT of one at my place of employment, but looking to move on in the near future to work for an MSP or some larger company with interesting, complex infrastructures.
I've gone back and forth. I have a pretty cushy job and I'm more or less my own boss (I report to the CFO). But I'm looking for a significant salary bump soon as my wife and I consider starting a family and also want to diversify my experience. A good MSP could help a bit with both of those, but my preference would be either a large company doing network engineering or the like or someplace that offers an some kind of service (ISP, wireless, etc). I'm really not sure yet, but, yea I've never felt too warm at the idea of a MSP, but I think it would be a good next step for my career.Ugh MSP? You want to be in managed services? :X
What about an actual consulting company? Solution architect/SE/Sr Consultant type role?I've gone back and forth. I have a pretty cushy job and I'm more or less my own boss (I report to the CFO). But I'm looking for a significant salary bump soon as my wife and I consider starting a family and also want to diversify my experience. A good MSP could help a bit with both of those, but my preference would be either a large company doing network engineering or the like or someplace that offers an some kind of service (ISP, wireless, etc). I'm really not sure yet, but, yea I've never felt too warm at the idea of a MSP, but I think it would be a good next step for my career.
I haven't really thought about that. I'll have to look more into that area - thanks.What about an actual consulting company? Solution architect/SE/Sr Consultant type role?
Do you have any certs? And I don't mean the paper ones, ie the higher Cisco ones.I haven't really thought about that. I'll have to look more into that area - thanks.
I'm so used to being in the thick of things with help desk/sysadmin/netadmin but also planning new deployments, budgeting, etc, that I've sort of pigeonholed myself in those areas.
Nope. Going for them now, though, as a way to improve my marketability. Thought I'd start with the CCNA and go from there. Was thinking shooting for a cert in virtualization after that, but not sure what's next.Do you have any certs? And I don't mean the paper ones, ie the higher Cisco ones.
If networking is what you want to do then I'd recommend going as high as you can with Cisco. CCIE in one of the specialties. That plus real experience puts you in a place where you can move into consulting or architecture much more easily.Nope. Going for them now, though, as a way to improve my marketability. Thought I'd start with the CCNA and go from there. Was thinking shooting for a cert in virtualization after that, but not sure what's next.
That's good to know. Networking is my interest and really my core competency right now and studying for the CCNA has actually been enjoyable. I was thinking of going right onto studying for my CCNP after that, but I've heard that studying for certs in adjacencies helps one's employability, but I'm definitely more interested in focusing on my growth on the Cisco track to eventually get the CCIE.If networking is what you want to do then I'd recommend going as high as you can with Cisco. CCIE in one of the specialties. That plus real experience puts you in a place where you can move into consulting or architecture much more easily.
or watch reruns of Mayberry RFD if you have old school I-Series Operators.You just need a big TV with a bunch of graphs and green lights and a neckbeard to sit in a chair and look at them occasionally but mostly play an MMO on his laptop.
Np and I wish I took the dive into consulting sooner than I had. Doing it all over again getting into a technical sales role would have been perfect for me and where the money really is. I know the company I work for is looking for folks all the time, in a consulting role. I focus in different space (virtualization) but once you get to that SME area it's a lot of fun. PM me if you're interested in hearing more about what we have open.That's good to know. Networking is my interest and really my core competency right now and studying for the CCNA has actually been enjoyable. I was thinking of going right onto studying for my CCNP after that, but I've heard that studying for certs in adjacencies helps one's employability, but I'm definitely more interested in focusing on my growth on the Cisco track to eventually get the CCIE.
But anyway, seriously appreciate the advice. It's a bit exciting right now to be in a place where I'm getting (and have) solid experience but also working on developing my expertise in networking technologies. But I do feel a little lost sometimes in wondering if continuing that vertical climb on the Cisco track makes sense, so reading your thoughts is appreciated.
I have a really great staffing firm that based in Boston that has a lot of large corporate clients.I haven't really thought about that. I'll have to look more into that area - thanks.
I'm so used to being in the thick of things with help desk/sysadmin/netadmin but also planning new deployments, budgeting, etc, that I've sort of pigeonholed myself in those areas.
I've found that the best jobs never make the boards, it's really important to have those recruiting contacts.I have a really great staffing firm that based in Boston that has a lot of large corporate clients.
If you're talented, they'd love to be yourpimpadvocate.
I'm an IT Manager so I have these contacts up the wazoo. Most have offices across the nation.I've found that the best jobs never make the boards, it's really important to have those recruiting contacts.
Thanks and appreciate it! I'm in the midwest and not looking to move currently. I don't think I'd ever consider moving to an internal IT position again, once you're out your eyes really are opened.I'm an IT Manager so I have these contacts up the wazoo. Most have offices across the nation.
If you, The Captain, or anyone else wants an introduction, let me know and I'll see if I can help.
Howdy-Dowdy down?or watch reruns of Mayberry RFD if you have old school I-Series Operators.
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My son is a high school junior and really doesn't know what he wants to do. Probably doesn't have any IT strengths at this point.It really dependent on what your strengths are as well as what the person enjoys doing.
Sure he does, is he good at fixing things, building things, coding/programming, etc.My son is a high school junior and really doesn't know what he wants to do. Probably doesn't have any IT strengths at this point.
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Typical System analyst.That's fine. You hardware jockeys are always crashing our software anyway.